Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

morhilane

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That logic doesn't work.
That would be like us saying we don't care about the sergachev trade because whatever happened since led us to getting a new management, and top prospects such as Slaf, Reinbacher, and Hutson.
What kind of team managers expect a draftee to blow out their projected ceiling because the underwhelming guy they traded to get the pick they drafted them with broke-out after the trade?

Dach doing well now change nothing to Chicago's projection for Nazar when they drafted him. And with Bedard, all they need from Nazar is that he become a competent 2nd line center instead of a 1st line center. There is even less pression on him now.
 

dackelljuneaubulis02

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I'd like to see a line of Slafkovsky - Dach - Roy to start the year over a 9-game span.

For one, it frees up Mono-brow to play with Mighty Mouse and Suzuki.

Secondly, it allows for Newhook to pivot a good third line with offensive upside against lesser opposition.

MSL rolls his lines after giving Suzuki 20+ minutes a night, so there shouldn't be tremendously less TOI for Newhook. Plus, he can also play more minutes special teams (2nd PP wave, 1st PK wave).

It also allows to build on the chemistry from last season between RHP and Anderson.

Mighty Mouse - The Nature of Things - Mono-Brow
Slaf-Cough-Ski - Means to get Bedard - The King
Three letters, two chances, go! - Nouvel Hameçon - Speed 3: The Sequel to the Sequel
Lester B. - THE Vorak - Irish Mini Me

Ideally like to give this lineup a chance.
lol at those names. I’m not thrilled with Newhook on the 3rd but I’m guessing/hoping that they can roll the top 3 lines pretty evenly with the 4th hardly seeing the ice at all.

We have the wingerdepth to roll 3 pretty good lines. I still want to see what Newhook can do with either of those top 2 lines. He deserves a shot with our top guys.
 

Scriptor

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lol at those names. I’m not thrilled with Newhook on the 3rd but I’m guessing/hoping that they can roll the top 3 lines pretty evenly with the 4th hardly seeing the ice at all.

We have the wingerdepth to roll 3 pretty good lines. I still want to see what Newhook can do with either of those top 2 lines. He deserves a shot with our top guys.
Newhook is practicing with Caufield and Suzuki, so he should get a shot at showing if there is any chemistry there.

I'm not set in stone with what lines I would insist on seeing, but, with Newhook, Monahan and Dach who can play both C and wing, I think MSL will have fun shuffling lines around this season when matchups don't appear to be favourable.

We should see pretty much all possible combinations, at one point or another...

My only wish is that Roy plays to a level that forces management's hand and he gets to start at the NHL level this year.

That hockey IQ and skillset should help fill out the roster appropriately, instead of always being one player short of having a solid lineup.
 
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dackelljuneaubulis02

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Newhook is practicing with Caufield and Suzuki, so he should get a shot at showing if there is any chemistry there.

I'm not set in stone with what lines I would insist on seeing, but, with Newhook, Monahan and Dach who can play both C and wing, I think MSL will have fun shuffling lines around this season when matchups don't appear to be favourable.

We should see pretty much all possible combinations, at one point or another...

My only wish is that Replays to level that forces management's hand and he gets to start at the NHL level this year.

That hockey IQ and skillset should help fill out the roster appropriately, instead of always being one player short of having a solid lineup.
To have all of Dach, Monahan and Newhook able to be both gives us a whole suite of options I’ve never seen before. Gonna be a lot of fun for sure
 

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gallo said today that Dach, could be habs version of Ryan Getzlaf
Dach's ability to physically dominate the play is exceptional, as demonstrated with last year's footage where he goes to the boards in the O-zone, eliminates his opponent from the play and feeds Dvorak for a goal.

Once Dach plays like this consistently, there's no telling how good he can become, especially if he plays with line mates that can convert on scoring opportunities.

Ideally, you shape up a line around dach that boasts size, physicality and skill, soit can be truly dominant against opponents, especially in the playoffs.

Currently, I'd go with Salfkovsky and Monahan, if we had a solid option for the Caufield - Suzuki duo in order to complete that line, but I don't think we do.

Anderson has zero chemistry with Caufield and Suzuki.

Newhook, IMO, is too small for that line, but he appears to be set up to audition with those two shortly (no pun intended), so I'll reserve judgment on Newhook's ability to play wing on Suzuki's line.

I think would be a disservice to throw Roy into the lion's den as a first line winger alongside Caufield and Suzuki right now.

Gallagher is not a first line winger.

Ylonen is too soft to properly complement Suzuki and Caufield.

Pearson is not the player he once was.

RHP is too small for that line.

Roy on a second line with Slafkovsky and Dach would enable MSL to line up Monahan with Caufield and Suzuki, though and still provide a good C, in Newhook, for RHP and Anderson on a third line.
 

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I just need to say how great it is to have Dach and Suzuki after years of Plekanec and/or Desharnais as our best centres...with all due respect to Plekanec who I loved he was a 3C at best.
I mean he'd be the first 70 point third line center in history. Everyone loved Cammy who coasted non-stop and never once outpaced Plek in points.
 
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Jaynki

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What kind of team managers expect a draftee to blow out their projected ceiling because the underwhelming guy they traded to get the pick they drafted them with broke-out after the trade?

Dach doing well now change nothing to Chicago's projection for Nazar when they drafted him. And with Bedard, all they need from Nazar is that he become a competent 2nd line center instead of a 1st line center. There is even less pression on him now.

They might never have a chance to find a potential 1C with Dach size, skills and upside, during Bedard career. Nazar is especially not that guy.

And they f***ing traded him for a mid 1st RD pick when he was 21YO...

Bedard is irrelevant to this trade. Its very poor player evaluation and very poor assets management.

"Dont care they got Bedard" will not bring them far as a philosophy.
 

dackelljuneaubulis02

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I just need to say how great it is to have Dach and Suzuki after years of Plekanec and/or Desharnais as our best centres...with all due respect to Plekanec who I loved he was a 3C at best.
Agreed. Pleks was borderline 2nd C up until that point he completely forgot how to pass. Then he was pretty useless offensively.

I mean he'd be the first 70 point third line center in history. Everyone loved Cammy who coasted non-stop and never once outpaced Plek in points.
I loved playoff Cammy. Regular season Cammy wasn’t much outside that first season
 
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WeThreeKings

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How did you guys rank Dach, Cauldield, and Newhook in your 2019 draft rankings?

Can't find it anymore.. I know I had Dach as my 3 behind Hughes and Kakko. Was pretty low on Cozens.

Had Caufield high in my top 10. Liked Newhook and would have been pleased with him at 15 but was hoping for Boldy going into the day because I thought Caufield was going top 10.
 

Redux91

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How did you guys rank Dach, Cauldield, and Newhook in your 2019 draft rankings?
Dach was top 3 allllll the way, but the immediate redrafts he looked more like a top 10 'only', but he's quickly re-establishing that value

Caufield was supposed to go 7th or 8th overall, and every team that messed that up should be ashamed of themselves.
It was genuine shock that day how bad he was falling.

Newhook had made 'pre-draft year' top 5 noise, lot of people here were high on him early I remember. Then he ended up being ranked right around where we were picking, and if Caufield had not been there, Newhook could very well of been drafted by us right then and there as Krebs Achilles injury surely scared us off.

But to have all 3 in the end?
*Grinch smile* + *Tim curry smile*
 

Jaynki

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Dach was top 3 allllll the way, but the immediate redrafts he looked more like a top 10 'only', but he's quickly re-establishing that value

Caufield was supposed to go 7th or 8th overall, and every team that messed that up should be ashamed of themselves.
It was genuine shock that day how bad he was falling.

Newhook had made 'pre-draft year' top 5 noise, lot of people here were high on him early I remember. Then he ended up being ranked right around where we were picking, and if Caufield had not been there, Newhook could very well of been drafted by us right then and there as Krebs Achilles injury surely scared us off.

But to have all 3 in the end?
*Grinch smile* + *Tim curry smile*
Edmonton had the chance to draft USNTDP most prolific goalscorer in its history and have him on a line with McDavid. Yet they flopped it on a defenseman.

Caufield was such an obvious pick its laughable.
 

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Dach was top 3 allllll the way, but the immediate redrafts he looked more like a top 10 'only', but he's quickly re-establishing that value

Caufield was supposed to go 7th or 8th overall, and every team that messed that up should be ashamed of themselves.
It was genuine shock that day how bad he was falling.

Newhook had made 'pre-draft year' top 5 noise, lot of people here were high on him early I remember. Then he ended up being ranked right around where we were picking, and if Caufield had not been there, Newhook could very well of been drafted by us right then and there as Krebs Achilles injury surely scared us off.

But to have all 3 in the end?
*Grinch smile* + *Tim curry smile*
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26Mats

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Dach was top 3 allllll the way, but the immediate redrafts he looked more like a top 10 'only', but he's quickly re-establishing that value

Caufield was supposed to go 7th or 8th overall, and every team that messed that up should be ashamed of themselves.
It was genuine shock that day how bad he was falling.

Newhook had made 'pre-draft year' top 5 noise, lot of people here were high on him early I remember. Then he ended up being ranked right around where we were picking, and if Caufield had not been there, Newhook could very well of been drafted by us right then and there as Krebs Achilles injury surely scared us off.

But to have all 3 in the end?
*Grinch smile* + *Tim curry smile*
Make it 4. Bring on Zegras! Find a 3rd team that needs young D prospects, 'cause Anaheim apparently doesn't.
 

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Can't find it anymore.. I know I had Dach as my 3 behind Hughes and Kakko. Was pretty low on Cozens.

Had Caufield high in my top 10. Liked Newhook and would have been pleased with him at 15 but was hoping for Boldy going into the day because I thought Caufield was going top 10.
Hughes, Kakko, Dach, Zegras, Caufield. I got Kakko, Caufield, Zegras, Newhook, Boldy, Tomasino, McMichael and Nick Robertson in my keeper league. I would have had Hughes but I lost the lottery.
 

Michoulicious

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How did you guys rank Dach, Cauldield, and Newhook in your 2019 draft rankings?

My 2019 rankings:

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Turcotte (lol)
4. Byram
5. Caufield (was sooo ecstatic when we were able to pick him)
6. Zegras
7. Dach
8. Cozens
9. Podkolzin (lol)
10. Boldy

Seider at 12.
Newhook at 15.

Not great, not terrible.
 

BenchBrawl

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It’s great to invest in young talent and I’m a big fan from that perspective. But I’d much rather trade a vet. What really worried me on this trade was the wrist injury. But he seems to be okay on that front.

I think most people here would say they’re happy with the trade now.

No guts no glory. Romanov, as good as he was, was expendable and easily replaceable within a 3-5 years window, and probably with assets we already had in the farm too.

Dach's profile OTOH, is rare. Looks like it's about to pay off. But even if it didn't, it was worth the gamble.
 

le_sean

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No guts no glory. Romanov, as good as he was, was expendable and easily replaceable within a 3-5 years window, and probably with assets we already had in the farm too.

Dach's profile OTOH, is rare. Looks like it's about to pay off. But even if it didn't, it was worth the gamble.
Fans loved Romanov, but the reality was that he wasn’t particularly good defensively and contributed nothing offensively. He was just physical, with a great attitude. Basically Francis Bouillon. You trade that all day for the 13th pick and you trade the 13th pick all day for a player like Dach.
 

Lafleurs Guy

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No guts no glory. Romanov, as good as he was, was expendable and easily replaceable within a 3-5 years window, and probably with assets we already had in the farm too.

Dach's profile OTOH, is rare. Looks like it's about to pay off. But even if it didn't, it was worth the gamble.
I agree.
 
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Fans loved Romanov, but the reality was that he wasn’t particularly good defensively and contributed nothing offensively. He was just physical, with a great attitude. Basically Francis Bouillon. You trade that all day for the 13th pick and you trade the 13th pick all day for a player like Dach.
It’s not a fair assessment of Romanov but Romanov for Dach is a no-brainer inasmuch as Dach’s injury issues were not considered chronic.

I was opposed to the trade because I felt (1) this isn’t a typical rebuilding team move and (2) Dach’s injury issues had not been overcome and he had just finished a difficult and unproductive season

Obviously at this point it looks like Hughes had different ideas for his rebuild, so topic 1 is resolved. And they either knew something or they gambled correctly that Dach would return to good health wrt his wrists.

Lecavalier and Drouin both had wrist issues and it derailed their productivity. I’m quite cautious about wrist issues to be honest but I suppose it depends on the sort of injury they suffer. Dach having a difficult year in his final season with Chicago screamed red flag, but I suppose not!

Lucky Habs, great acquisition. Now imagine he keeps improving… wow
 

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