GDT: Kings off-season thread

[Ziggy Stardust]

Oh damn I was way off lol.. I must have mixed up with the Freddy Modin return which might have even just been future considerations

It's easy to confuse Matt Frattin for a seventh round pick.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Byfield, Kopi, Kempe
Moore, Danault, Ardvidsson
Iafallo, JT Miller, Kaliyev

Just get a player that can play center. Byfield is ready to slot in for injuries or when Kopi retires.

Or grab Puljujarvi & stick him with Byfield for the next 8 years. Size & Speed.

 

[kings11]

Byfield, Kopi, Kempe
Moore, Danault, Ardvidsson
Iafallo, JT Miller, Kaliyev

Just get a player that can play center. Byfield is ready to slot in for injuries or when Kopi retires.

Or grab Puljujarvi & stick him with Byfield for the next 8 years. Size & Speed.

Pulj is interesting… instead of $9-$10 mill in Forsberg, you could add Pulj and Marchment. Remove Iafallo and there you have it

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Also makes you wonder when Iafallo's separated shoulder was.

I'm not sure a separated shoulder explains why he got noticeably slower on the ice as the season went on.

 

[Bandit]

Also makes you wonder when Iafallo's separated shoulder was.

Has it actually been confirmed he was one of the guys with one?

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

It's easy to confuse Matt Frattin for a seventh round pick.

I'm honestly not one of these, "He'll be playing overseas next year" people, but I was shocked when Frattin was re-signed to a NHL deal for '14-15 (IIRC, he went back to Toronto <?>). IMHO he was absolutely dreadful here, and that factor alone made trading him for actual value a huge win for Lombardi (to say nothing of Gaborik's play that post-season).

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Has it actually been confirmed he was one of the guys with one?

It wasn't expressly confirmed, but I'd say it's fairly likely:

Lastly, Iafallo let the group know that he was dealing with a shoulder problem to close out the season, though nothing that requires any type of a procedure at this time.


General Manager Rob Blake shared that three players were fighting through separated shoulders during Round 1 versus Edmonton, though did not say outright that Iafallo was one in that count. Iafallo took a couple of maintenance days throughout the first-round series but did not miss any game action and contributed four points (1-3-4) from seven games played.


“Feeling alright, obviously playoffs is a time when you get banged up, but the trainers have been awesome taking care of everybody when you’re sore,” he said. “Just rest, the shoulder and stuff, but a few weeks off and it’ll be fine.”


From his comments, and those from Blake, nothing longer term for the versatile and important forward.

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If it doesn't require a procedure and only requires a few weeks of rest, I'd say it was a relatively low-grade shoulder sprain.

 

[Fishhead]

Pulj is interesting… instead of $9-$10 mill in Forsberg, you could add Pulj and Marchment. Remove Iafallo and there you have it

Not sure why we would do that, just add Marchment. Iafallo is better than Puljujarvi and Edmonton would obviously want some good assets in return. And who knows what he will want as a RFA.

 

[BigKing]

It wasn't expressly confirmed, but I'd say it's fairly likely:

Exit Interviews - Alex Iafallo, Adrian Kempe, Matt Roy - LA Kings Insider

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If it doesn't require a procedure and only requires a few weeks of rest, I'd say it was a relatively low-grade shoulder sprain.

Thanks for the link, bud. I read that as it happened in the playoffs and not like he had it in January. If he had it in January, I'm sure they would have had him take some games off to get right. Hell, his play could have warranted a healthy scratch at times so I find it hard to believe he was injured for the second half of the season.

 

[Kingspiracy]

It wasn't expressly confirmed, but I'd say it's fairly likely:

Exit Interviews - Alex Iafallo, Adrian Kempe, Matt Roy - LA Kings Insider

Continuing along here with the theme of Exit Interviews with three members of the team’s evolving secondary core, in Alex Iafallo, Adrian Kempe and Matt Roy. All three players have become key pieces for this Kings team, with their successes helping to drive the bus and their failures highlighted...

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If it doesn't require a procedure and only requires a few weeks of rest, I'd say it was a relatively low-grade shoulder sprain.

Perhaps he was struggling with hurt feelings after reading stuff here.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Thanks for the link, bud. I read that as it happened in the playoffs and not like he had it in January. If he had it in January, I'm sure they would have had him take some games off to get right. Hell, his play could have warranted a healthy scratch at times so I find it hard to believe he was injured for the second half of the season.

I agree. As I said in the other thread, a shoulder sprain doesn't explain why he got significantly slower as the season wore on. I don't think it's likely that it was a shoulder sprain causing him to play like garbage for the second half of the season.

 

[Fishhead]

I don’t think Dillion replaces Roy but rather complements a Clarke/Spence/Durzi..
Obvious Walker is going to play to get his trade value up unless we trade Walker for Dillion.. but BD is exactly the type of Dman we need.. a more mobile Matt Green/Robin Regehr

Yeah, I don't disagree he's the type that we need, but at $4M for 2 more years that's a lot to pay for a transition defenseman. His next contract is going to be his last so he's probably not retainable. Plus, the Jets gave up 2 2nds for him, so they are going to want something really good in return. They are not a good defensive team and he's one of the few with a positive differential.

 

[kings11]

Not sure why we would do that, just add Marchment. Iafallo is better than Puljujarvi and Edmonton would obviously want some good assets in return. And who knows what he will want as a RFA.

Ah, thought he was a UFA

Yeah, I don't disagree he's the type that we need, but at $4M for 2 more years that's a lot to pay for a transition defenseman. His next contract is going to be his last so he's probably not retainable. Plus, the Jets gave up 2 2nds for him, so they are going to want something really good in return. They are not a good defensive team and he's one of the few with a positive differential.

Hence I mentioned a Walker swap or maybe a 3 team trade where AI gets moved?

 

[Lt Dan]

He'll be 28 when the puck drops next season. He hasn't played a full season in 5 years due to injuries.

He'll fit right in!!!

 

[Fishhead]

Ah, thought he was a UFA


Hence I mentioned a Walker swap or maybe a 3 team trade where AI gets moved?

They aren't going to want Walker, they are going to want Kupari and a 2nd. No reason to force a move, it's not like this team is on the cusp and Dillon is going to push them over. He'd just be a two-year stopgap and there are cheaper options.

If AI does get moved it's going to be in a package for a superior player, not to pick up a 2nd pairing defenseman for a couple of years. Even with his subpar season AI was still worth $4M, so there is zero reason to trade him in a lateral move when you are lucky to get similar value.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

So Durzi is the second injured shoulder, or is he the third? IA is one. Is Toby the 3rd? Or did I miss someone else?

 

[kings11]

They aren't going to want Walker, they are going to want Kupari and a 2nd. No reason to force a move, it's not like this team is on the cusp and Dillon is going to push them over. He'd just be a two-year stopgap and there are cheaper options.

If AI does get moved it's going to be in a package for a superior player, not to pick up a 2nd pairing defenseman for a couple of years. Even with his subpar season AI was still worth $4M, so there is zero reason to trade him in a lateral move when you are lucky to get similar value.

A 2 year stopgap is what you need from Dillon..
Iafallo goes if you sign Marchment and you want to give the kids an actual chance, to me Iafallo has the same value as Hagel, Coleman, Lehkonen and other middle 6 guys that have been traded the last few seasons..
That means you keep Kupari who looks eerily similar to a young Kempe.
To me, Grundstrom brings what AI does but with a better scoring touch and much more physicality

 

[Lt Dan]

@Fishhead

Bro your avatar is awesome!!

 

[apocalypse]

AI needs to be traded. Cap dump.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

AI needs to be traded. Cap dump.

We might never know when he got hurt, but if it was in the middle of the season, his drop off would make sense. First season that he’s had such a dry spell. His Value is low right now, gotta keep him this off season.

 

[KingsFan7824]

AI needs to be traded. Cap dump.

3 years under contract does not a cap dump make.

 

[Fishhead]

A 2 year stopgap is what you need from Dillon..
Iafallo goes if you sign Marchment and you want to give the kids an actual chance, to me Iafallo has the same value as Hagel, Coleman, Lehkonen and other middle 6 guys that have been traded the last few seasons..
That means you keep Kupari who looks eerily similar to a young Kempe.
To me, Grundstrom brings what AI does but with a better scoring touch and much more physicality

I'm still not sure why we would give up assets for a guy to be around for 2 years when we could use assets to find a longer-term solution that will actually be here when the team is good. We have plenty of middling guys who can eat minutes, no need for another one even if he is more physical. If we were desperate for defensemen, sure, but last year showed we aren't. All that's happening is a guy who turns 32 during the season is taking development time away from a younger player when we don't really need the help. If Dillon was 28 I would be all for it, because he'd actually be around for a while and might be worth the assets.

I like Grundstrom, but he does not have a better scoring touch than Iafallo. He's a bull, which we need, but he's not even in the same ballpark skill-wise and he's not in the same stratosphere defensively either. There is a reason Iafallo gets some of the toughest assignments on the team where Grundstrom faces the weakest. Despite that, Iafallo has far superior possession numbers and dangerous chance differentials playing against top competition. AI's matchups were harder than Danault's and that says something.

You really undervalue Iafallo, he's a lot better than those guys you mentioned. If we shipped him off to a system like TB he'd be putting up numbers like Palat and Killorn and we'd all pine for him. Want to ship him off for a better player? Absolutely. Trading him to open a spot would be silly.

3 years under contract does not a cap dump make.

Not only that, but he costs $4M, had a down season, was hurt, and still was in the top 180 in league scoring, which is by definition top-6 production.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah AI has had exactly one bad half season since being in the NHL, people have a weird hate-on for him. The guy had done nothing but improve until about January of this year. The last few months is the aberration, not the rest of his career.

 

[Choralone]

Yeah AI has had exactly one bad half season since being in the NHL, people have a weird hate-on for him. The guy had done nothing but improve until about January of this year. The last few months is the aberration, not the rest of his career.

But he has no draft pedigreeeeeeee...........

 

[Schmooley]

But he has no draft pedigreeeeeeee...........

Neither does Trevor Moore. He stepped up after a slow start and you dont see anyone saying bad about him.
It could just be that Iafallo sucked since January and it has nothing to do with his draft pedigree.