GDT: Kings off-season thread

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You said he was a 50pt player.
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I think 50 point player is a stretch, but if the NHL wouldn't have had a 70 game season in 19-20 due to COVID he very likely would have had 50 that year. He would have had mid-40's in 20-21 as well, can't really punish the guy because the league shortened the schedule.
 
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I mean, we’ve provided ample evidence why Iafallo is a good top six guy. I’m not totally married to the opinion and the thing is there are enough people who disagree who Are normally reasonable—I’d be open to hearing an argument against but so far it’s a little disappointing that it all sums up to “nuh uh because i said so.”

Edit: I guess more than anything I’m trying to point out that the presence of Iafallo isn’t the issue, it’s the absence of bigger scorers. If TBL had to rely on Killorn instead of others I’m sure they’d be having the same convo. But a rising tide raises all boats
I cant speak for others but as much as I dont like Iafallo on the top line he should only be traded if its for a clear upgrade or to clear cap for an upgrade. Moving Iafallo to bring Palat in his place is a lateral move. But Forsberg/Laine tier would be worth it. Kopitar, Danault, Moore and even Kempe are all responsible top six players that they can exchange a two way guy in Iafallo for more of an offensive dynamo.
 
Reading a Gavin Lux story, and a certain section obviously stood out to me in relation to the Kings' prospects:

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Lux has bounced back up of course, but can't help but think that the Kings might be making it harder on their prospects vs helping them grow. I think the biggest difference between the two orgs is that the Dodgers have been dominant for a decade. We've discussed that to death, but this shows that it can be a huge obstacle for younger players who feel they might be thriving elsewhere with a longer leash.


How many guys are doing the equivalent of .400 in Ontario and aren't here?
 
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still awaiting to see....but if he was nursing a shoulder injury I will forever think Tmac a fool.

If confirmed we can only wonder why a guy who struggled in the 2nd half of the season and struggled in the playoffs and was injured...was still allowed to play in Game 7 while healthy kids sat and watched. Would the Kids have done better? maybe not but certainly no risk move.
 
Iafallo seems like the logical training wheels partner for Byfield. Doubt he goes anywhere. There are other places to find cap space.

Upgrading Iafallo to Forsberg would be nice. Seems unlikely though. Maybe unnecessary as well.
 
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I cant speak for others but as much as I dont like Iafallo on the top line he should only be traded if its for a clear upgrade or to clear cap for an upgrade. Moving Iafallo to bring Palat in his place is a lateral move. But Forsberg/Laine tier would be worth it. Kopitar, Danault, Moore and even Kempe are all responsible top six players that they can exchange a two way guy in Iafallo for more of an offensive dynamo.

For sure, I think MOST agree that ideally he'd be down the lineup, I think even those defending him over the last couple have pages have said almost verbatim that if we're contending Iafallo is a 3rd liner. My point is simply he's not the problem and trading him just opens up yet-another-40-pt-player hole, previously held by guys like Pearson, Toffoli, and so on. Keep him, and ADD to him.
 
I see the team at an inflection point, with young talent that needs to be given an opportunity in top six or top nine roles.

Of our top six this year (Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe; Moore-Danault-Arvidsson), only Iafallo's spot looks up for grabs.

Given that Arthur Kaliyev was seventh on the team in goal-scoring with mostly fourth-line minutes, is the organization willing to give him third-line minutes to see what he can do? Can he improve on his quickness and straight-line speed this offseason? Can he work himself up to replacing Iafallo on Kopitar's wing?

I'm not sure what else Carl Grundstrom needs to do to remain a consistent power winger with the Kings. He seems to do well at it when given the opportunity. Maybe it's an off-season conditioning, practice, or some other issue that isn't obvious to those of us who only see games. But maybe it's just the organization not having the courage to commit to transitioning to the Kempe-Grundstrom generation of players. He doesn't seem to be especially amazing at winning offensive-zone board battles, but he's an average to slightly above average skater who consistently hits with power on the forecheck. He hasn't shown Trevor Moore's hands around the net, but he's got a size advantage that he uses to crash the net and take bodies to the slot.
 
I see the team at an inflection point, with young talent that needs to be given an opportunity in top six or top nine roles.

Of our top six this year (Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe; Moore-Danault-Arvidsson), only Iafallo's spot looks up for grabs.

Given that Arthur Kaliyev was seventh on the team in goal-scoring with mostly fourth-line minutes, is the organization willing to give him third-line minutes to see what he can do? Can he improve on his quickness and straight-line speed this offseason? Can he work himself up to replacing Iafallo on Kopitar's wing?

I'm not sure what else Carl Grundstrom needs to do to remain a consistent power winger with the Kings. He seems to do well at it when given the opportunity. Maybe it's an off-season conditioning, practice, or some other issue that isn't obvious to those of us who only see games. But maybe it's just the organization not having the courage to commit to transitioning to the Kempe-Grundstrom generation of players. He doesn't seem to be especially amazing at winning offensive-zone board battles, but he's an average to slightly above average skater who consistently hits with power on the forecheck. He hasn't shown Trevor Moore's hands around the net, but he's got a size advantage that he uses to crash the net and take bodies to the slot.

I think Kaliyev is all but guaranteed a top six spot next season unless we go out and get a bonafide top line guy. Even if we do, I could see us moving Arvidsson or Moore down to the “third line” to play with Byfield.

Forsberg - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore - Danault - Kaliyev
Iafallo - Byfield - Arvidsson
Lemieux - Lizotte - Grundstrom

Roll four lines all season. Vilardi probably gets traded unless we move someone like Iafallo for cap reasons. Also possible that we don’t re-sign Lemieux and one of Kupari or JAD plays on the fourth line.
 
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How many guys are doing the equivalent of .400 in Ontario and aren't here?
this is one of the issues with whats happened in the last few years , not having these guys play against their age group for full seasons and then possibly play with the kings at 20 or a year in the ahl then hurt all their development, Lux was in the minors at 21/22 years old tearing it up ,that's how development works , instead we have them playing against men at 18 or 19 and if you have ever gone to a AHL game its full with the has beens and the never was that are feasting on the cheap shots at #5 picks or #2 picks whenever they can . not making excuses for the lack of development team but byfield isn't even 20 yet and still growing into his body, tell me you didn't see Bambi out there at times , and tell me having confidence doesn'tr help him skate with guys he is clearly as fast as , he is always thinking out there which hurts his natural game, its like thinking too much at third base instead of reacting when the ball is hit . Herby seems to be right with Turcotte having him leave after 1just one mediocre season has him behind too but has already happened so some how they may have to just keep him on the team out of camp 20 or 25 games to see if that helps with his development we need that type to round out the team
 
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Of our top six this year (Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe; Moore-Danault-Arvidsson), only Iafallo's spot looks up for grabs.
That is not the top six of a team that's built for a deep playoff run, much less a cup, which means a lot of spots ought to be up for grabs. I hope Kempe can keep it up next year and continue to be a bonafide first line winger. Danault and RV are obviously great 2nd liners. Anze is not a good first line center anymore; he's a good 2nd line center and elite 3rd line center (which is where I hope he plays next year, as that would mean Byfield has finally started to pop and it would also wring a few more years out of Kopitar contributing on the bottom six, since he'd play less). I love Trevor Moore, but his game is equally suited for a 3rd line role. A third line of Moore, Kopi, and, say, Grundstrom--that's a 3rd line of a team with real depth, and assuming Anze's minutes are managed, they could be a giant pain in the ass to play against.

QB, Arty*, Villardi, Kupari, and Grundstrom* need to be given more consistent minutes next year, from the drop, so we can at least see which ones can be part of the next core. Perhaps that's sort of what some people mean when they say missing the playoffs next year might not be a step backward in the long run.

(*Arty and Grundstrom have unquestionably earned it after this season. The others, maybe not. But there's been enough flashes of potential that we need to roll the dice on them.)
 
I think Kaliyev is all but guaranteed a top six spot next season unless we go out and get a bonafide top line guy. Even if we do, I could see us moving Arvidsson or Moore down to the “third line” to play with Byfield.

Forsberg - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore - Danault - Kaliyev
Iafallo - Byfield - Arvidsson
Lemieux - Lizotte - Grundstrom

Roll four lines all season. Vilardi probably gets traded unless we move someone like Iafallo for cap reasons. Also possible that we don’t re-sign Lemieux and one of Kupari or JAD plays on the fourth line.
I don’t think we can guarantee anything with this coaching staff.
 
Do not wish this to another team. Did you hear about karma?
The Hockey Gods are cruel & punish everyone eventually. There is no escaping their wrath. :laugh:

Hellebuyck, 2 years to UFA, recently said he's fine with staying if the Jets are competing.

Scheifele,
 
Zadarov and Gudbranson both UFA.
I was completely anti Zadorov for playing soft against the Oilers. Found out he had multiple broken ribs from Dallas, so maybe he gets a pass.



Can anyone with an athletic account verify this? What's Muzzin's cap hit at these days?

Edit: 5.625
 
I was completely anti Zadorov for playing soft against the Oilers. Found out he had multiple broken ribs from Dallas, so maybe he gets a pass.



Can anyone with an athletic account verify this? What's Muzzin's cap hit at these days?

Edit: 5.625


Had to dig between three related articles for the info but basically the idea is that Giordano is Muzzin's replacement and thus they'd have to shed his cap hit since they're deep at LHD with Rielly, Sandin, Muzzin and Giordano.

But there was literally no mention of LA anywhere but speculation in the comments from random people reminding others of his NTC, so it definitely isn't 'according to the athletic,' this is just someone inventing shit unless it's absolutely buried in a 4th article.
 
Muzzin would be a great pick-up, I mean, we are devoid of defensive prospects completely. He's what, 33? That makes him the perfect age once this core starts to come together. Makes all kinds of sense..
 
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Will always route for Muzzin...but he does not fit with LA right now. If LA brings him in then they are still looking for a top line LHD to play with Drew. Does nothing but take away cap and whatever assets used to get Muzzin, that could be used to actually bring a player who addresses the issue.
 
The Kings organization only has 2 NHL caliber LHD, and one of them got benched.

Of course bringing in a vet LHD like Muzzin for two years can make some sense if it's cheap.
 
The Kings organization only has 2 NHL caliber LHD, and one of them got benched.

Of course bringing in a vet LHD like Muzzin for two years can make some sense if it's cheap.

This is true, but how much of a pressing need is it? I would imagine Bjornfot will be fine next year, he was crap after his injury. Of course, Muzzin would be preferable over Edler or Maatta, but Muzzin has 2 years left at over 5. Kempe obviously is getting a raise, but Anderson is up as well. Toby will be up next year, right now that's just a modest raise. Do we want to keep Moore? He'll be UFA. Kupari? Going to need another goalie after this year too. Maybe bring in another scorer?

It's not so much this coming season, but the one after. I'd rather send some assets out for a long-term guy at LD, but hard to say what teams would entertain that. If I'm going to pay Muzzin's contract I'd much rather try to pry Theodore out of Vegas. They are up against it and are going to need to move someone. At least Theodore would be someone we would extend, he'll be 29 when his contract is up. Options are probably limited.
 
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I'd rather send some assets out for a long-term guy at LD, but hard to say what teams would entertain that.
Well yes.

Just like I'd rather have a 1st line winger instead of Iafallo.

Problem is, a long term solution LD may not be available. And if that's the case, there might not be many better options than Muzzin if he's cheap.

Other options include re-signing Maatta or Edler or Wolanin.

Our current LD depth chart is:
Anderson
Björnfot
Moverare
Nousiainen?

Might be the worst in the NHL. Beggars can't be choosers. Unless we're going to start putting right shot guys on the left side (which I'm not really opposed to).
 

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