GDT: Kings off-season thread

[Ziggy Stardust]

Just find another Gaborik, please.


Remember how opposed many were to the idea of acquiring him? He just happened to lead the playoffs in scoring that year, scoring a number of clutch goals for the Kings. A part of Gaborik's game that many were unaware of is that he was willing to go to the dirty areas to score, and more often than not he wound up on his ass while scoring a big goal.

I don't know if Filip Forsberg can be that type of player, but the naysayers scoffing at the thought of adding a 30+ goal scorer have been wrong before.

 

[Lt Dan]

Gaborik was incredible when he was new on teams and motivated.
His shelflife was short though

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Also makes you wonder when Iafallo's separated shoulder was.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think the problem with Fiala is that because Minesota is in win now mode, they'll want a cheap quality NHL player headed back the other way like Moore or Grundstrom, and that's in addition to our 1st and maybe another prospect.

Then Fiala's contract is probably gonna be in the 6-8M range. Where as MM's contract will likely be significantly cheaper.

But it's always a risk no matter what you do.

I personally wouldn't be thrilled with Fiala. I think he's just another 40-50 point guy here, albeit a fast one. Nothing about his game jumps out as 'big difference maker' and there's a reason he's Minnesota's expendable asset. I know I'm in the minority though.

 

[kings11]

Just find another Gaborik, please.


Remember how opposed many were to the idea of acquiring him? He just happened to lead the playoffs in scoring that year, scoring a number of clutch goals for the Kings. A part of Gaborik's game that many were unaware of is that he was willing to go to the dirty areas to score, and more often than not he wound up on his ass while scoring a big goal.

I don't know if Filip Forsberg can be that type of player, but the naysayers scoffing at the thought of adding a 30+ goal scorer have been wrong before.

You left out the $9-$10 mill per that it’ll cost us… a little bit more than Gabby did right??

 

[Fishhead]

I personally wouldn't be thrilled with Fiala. I think he's just another 40-50 point guy here, albeit a fast one. Nothing about his game jumps out as 'big difference maker' and there's a reason he's Minnesota's expendable asset. I know I'm in the minority though.

I kind of agree, I think his production would be a little higher than Arvidsson, but at a much higher cost. He is only 25 though, so there's a chance he takes it to the next level. Kind of torn on him, it would all depend on the contract.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I kind of agree, I think his production would be a little higher than Arvidsson, but at a much higher cost. He is only 25 though, so there's a chance he takes it to the next level. Kind of torn on him, it would all depend on the contract.

I think my personal philosophy re this summer's pickups are you either spend the extra money on a sure thing like Gaudreau or you find a bargain. The upper middle class guys like Fiala are the ones that break your contract structure when they underperform; they're too risky. And may as well let one of the blue chip kids see if they can fill the 40-point role, because if they can't, we're kind of boned anyway.

I did a whole Capfriendly thing where my summer pickups were Gaudreau and Soucy (trade, JAD + Walker + pick) (and one that also included Marchment) but I forget how i made the cap work heh, got disconnected and gave up after wasting an hour

 

[kings11]

What this team needs is size and physicality on the backend..
Brendan Dillion should be a target to help solidify the bottom pairing and the PK
Rikard Rakell would be a good/great addition in the top 6
Alex Iafallo would be expendable and could fetch a couple of picks

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Just find another Gaborik, please.


Remember how opposed many were to the idea of acquiring him? He just happened to lead the playoffs in scoring that year, scoring a number of clutch goals for the Kings. A part of Gaborik's game that many were unaware of is that he was willing to go to the dirty areas to score, and more often than not he wound up on his ass while scoring a big goal.

I don't know if Filip Forsberg can be that type of player, but the naysayers scoffing at the thought of adding a 30+ goal scorer have been wrong before.

There's a SEA of difference between a reclamation rental and an 8-year commitment, though.

If they were wrong about Gaborik, oh well, he's gone.

If they're wrong about Forsberg, it can undermine the next decade.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I view a 27-year-old Filip Forsberg to be in a slightly lower rung as Panarin, who has made a massive impact in turning the Rangers around. A healthy and productive Forsberg can make a similar impact, and a seven-year deal will lock him up until he’s 34.

Don’t know what that dollar amount will be to land a player like him, but how much would a 30-40 goal scorer who can put up between 60-80 points be worth to you? He’s also had playoff success with 29 goals and 53 points in 75 playoff games.

I think a player of that ilk can make a big impact. This is unlike taking a gamble on Ilya Kovalchuk.

 

[verbalkint47]

Just find another Gaborik, please.


Remember how opposed many were to the idea of acquiring him? He just happened to lead the playoffs in scoring that year, scoring a number of clutch goals for the Kings. A part of Gaborik's game that many were unaware of is that he was willing to go to the dirty areas to score, and more often than not he wound up on his ass while scoring a big goal.

I don't know if Filip Forsberg can be that type of player, but the naysayers scoffing at the thought of adding a 30+ goal scorer have been wrong before.

Didn't Gaborik only cost us a 7th rounder? I could be misremembering but I don't recall too many posters opposed to trading for him. It was signing him to a long term extension, considering his age and injury history, that saw opposition.

 

[BigKing]

Also makes you wonder when Iafallo's separated shoulder was.

Is his confirmed or is just hope based on the report that there were players with injured shoulders?

I view a 27-year-old Filip Forsberg to be in a slightly lower rung as Panarin, who has made a massive impact in turning the Rangers around. A healthy and productive Forsberg can make a similar impact, and a seven-year deal will lock him up until he’s 34.

Don’t know what that dollar amount will be to land a player like him, but how much would a 30-40 goal scorer who can put up between 60-80 points be worth to you? He’s also had playoff success with 29 goals and 53 points in 75 playoff games.

I think a player of that ilk can make a big impact. This is unlike taking a gamble on Ilya Kovalchuk.

I like Forsberg. I really like his 112 hits in 69 games last season as well. Here's the thing though:

- Excluding his first "season" of five games, Forsberg has taken over 200 shots or been on pace for over 200 if playing a full 82 games.
- Kempe's first season of over 200 shots--or even a 200 shot pace--was this past season.
- Forsberg averages three shots per game over his career while Kempe averages two.
- Take that one shot difference and apply it to the amount of games Kempe played last season (78) and you get Kempe with 78 more shots.
- Using Kempe's career shooting percentage of 11.4% (not even his actual % of 14.2 for last season) and Kempe is at 8.89 more goals last season. That gives him 44 goals last year in 78 games compared to Forsberg's 42 in 69 (nice).
- Kempe had 111 hits in nine more games. Not as much but pretty close.

Do we already have this guy on the team and wouldn't we lose our minds if they paid him $9MM long-term? Yes, Forsberg has proven it for longer but he is also coming off a career year and an 18.6% shooting percentage. He also gets more assists but, JFC: Duchene had 43 goals and Josi put up 96 points!

I'd love another Kempe on the team: especially a similar but even better version. That's a lot of money and term though and then you have to look at how he hasn't played a full 82 since 2017. Tough going up against Colorado but not a very inspiring playoff line this season: especially compared to Kempe's.

 

[Fishhead]

What this team needs is size and physicality on the backend..
Brendan Dillion should be a target to help solidify the bottom pairing and the PK
Rikard Rakell would be a good/great addition in the top 6
Alex Iafallo would be expendable and could fetch a couple of picks

Rakell is intriguing, but is he worth it? He's older than Iafallo and has had almost the same production level over the last 5 years. I wouldn't offer him more than around $4M AAV, and he'll get better offers.

Dillon at $4M is a tough one too. I don't think he's an upgrade over Roy, really, even though I like his physical game. I'd rather spend some of our assets and get a long-term guy, but who knows if anyone that fits the bill is even available. Haydn Fleury has always struck me as the type of guy who would really flourish in LA, but not sure what it would take to get him here.

 

[cyclones22]

Panarin at the time of signing with the Rangers was already leagues above Forsberg. Look at their player profiles. Panarin was much more decorated than Forsberg. He has been voted on an NHL All-Star team every season of his career, not the All-Star game, but the all-league teams. Some thought he was carried by the Hawks, then he was just as good with Columbus and even better for the Rangers. Forsberg has been a league All-Star one time. He likely will be on one of the teams this season, but so will Panarin and likely higher.

I don't think Forsberg is worth anywhere close to Panarin salary-wise. We'll see if some GM is dumb enough to throw an 8-digit AAV at him, but he's not worth that especially in a high scoring season across the league. I'd be fine with something south of 9m if he wanted to come here, but it's likely someone will overspend on him making it moot. In a few seasons, the only big contract will be Doughty's. I'd be happy with targeting a big fish next offseason instead, but who knows how realistic that is.

 

[BigKing]

Rakell is intriguing, but is he worth it? He's older than Iafallo and has had almost the same production level over the last 5 years. I wouldn't offer him more than around $4M AAV, and he'll get better offers.

Dillon at $4M is a tough one too. I don't think he's an upgrade over Roy, really, even though I like his physical game. I'd rather spend some of our assets and get a long-term guy, but who knows if anyone that fits the bill is even available. Haydn Fleury has always struck me as the type of guy who would really flourish in LA, but not sure what it would take to get him here.

Big no to Rakell. 29 years old. Gets injured too much already.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Pittsburgh is going to resign Letang and Malkin will hit UFA. He’s destined for the Kings. 3 years x $6.25M would get it done and fit Aeg’s budget.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Panarin at the time of signing with the Rangers was already leagues above Forsberg. Look at their player profiles. Panarin was much more decorated than Forsberg. He has been voted on an NHL All-Star team every season of his career, not the All-Star game, but the all-league teams. Some thought he was carried by the Hawks, then he was just as good with Columbus and even better for the Rangers. Forsberg has been a league All-Star one time. He likely will be on one of the teams this season, but so will Panarin and likely higher.

I don't think Forsberg is worth anywhere close to Panarin salary-wise. We'll see if some GM is dumb enough to throw an 8-digit AAV at him, but he's not worth that especially in a high scoring season across the league. I'd be fine with something south of 9m if he wanted to come here, but it's likely someone will overspend on him making it moot. In a few seasons, the only big contract will be Doughty's. I'd be happy with targeting a big fish next offseason instead, but who knows how realistic that is.

Stan Bowman with im the smartest man in the room move re Panarin.. one of the bigger blunders in GM history

 

[kings11]

Rakell is intriguing, but is he worth it? He's older than Iafallo and has had almost the same production level over the last 5 years. I wouldn't offer him more than around $4M AAV, and he'll get better offers.

Dillon at $4M is a tough one too. I don't think he's an upgrade over Roy, really, even though I like his physical game. I'd rather spend some of our assets and get a long-term guy, but who knows if anyone that fits the bill is even available. Haydn Fleury has always struck me as the type of guy who would really flourish in LA, but not sure what it would take to get him here.

I don’t think Dillion replaces Roy but rather complements a Clarke/Spence/Durzi..
Obvious Walker is going to play to get his trade value up unless we trade Walker for Dillion.. but BD is exactly the type of Dman we need.. a more mobile Matt Green/Robin Regehr

 

[Surf Nutz]

I dont want any of these regular season stars like Gadreau or FF. We need scorers willing to get in the dirty areas and handle the heavy traffic and pay the price in the playoffs. I like Rakell as a compromise and Evan R., Valeri N. Marchment , BUrkavosky.

 

[johnjm22]

I personally wouldn't be thrilled with Fiala. I think he's just another 40-50 point guy here, albeit a fast one. Nothing about his game jumps out as 'big difference maker' and there's a reason he's Minnesota's expendable asset. I know I'm in the minority though.

SEASON	GP	GOALS	ASSISTS	POINTS	SHOT %	PACE
2019-20	64gp	23g	31a	54pts	13.10%	29g, 69pts
2020-21	50gp	20g	20a	40pts	12.40%	33g, 65pts
2021-22	82gp	33g	52a	85pts	12.6S%

I Kind of agree, but he has scored at a 30 goal rate for 3 straight seasons now.

He has some speed, some finish, he drives plays. I think he'd fit pretty well. But if he's "the big move" for the Kings, I'm not sure it will move the needle that much.

And one of the guys you trade for Fiala (Grundstrom, Kupari, Kaliyev, Iafallo, Moore) will probably pop and end up having their breakthough season in Minnesota.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Didn't Gaborik only cost us a 7th rounder? I could be misremembering but I don't recall too many posters opposed to trading for him. It was signing him to a long term extension, considering his age and injury history, that saw opposition.

The Los Angeles Kings acquired three-time All-Star right wing Marian Gaborik from the Columbus Blue Jackets on Wednesday.

Columbus received right wing Matt Frattin, a second-round draft pick and a conditional third-round pick in exchange for Gaborik, the Blue Jackets announced.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

One thing about Fiala - his dirty, high hit on Matt Roy a few years ago was bad and affected Roy a long time.
He didn't look the same, when he returned. It took him a long time to be himself again.

I think I shy away, just based on that. I don't think he's a dirty player, game in, game out, but that was a dirty hit.

 

[kings11]

Marchment - Kopitar - Kempe
Marchment bring a big, front of the net presence which always benefits Kopi’s style

Moore - Danault - Kupari
Kupari plays while Arvy heals, he’s always the type of guy that would thrive with PD and is solid defensively

Iafallo - Byfield - Kaliyev
Iafallo should be trade bait but then who plays in his spot? Can’t have Gabe because it would be the molasses line

Grundstrom - Lizotte - Deslauriers
Tonka showed he can score enough, Lizzo is tough AF and Deslauriers would be the big muscle who can actually stay in the lineup

Anderson - Doughty
Bjornfot - Roy
Dillion - Walker… SW is trade bait once healthy
Dillion - Clarke
Once Walker is moved



Just some food for thought.. it’s should be an interesting off-season

 

[johnjm22]

I view a 27-year-old Filip Forsberg to be in a slightly lower rung as Panarin, who has made a massive impact in turning the Rangers around. A healthy and productive Forsberg can make a similar impact, and a seven-year deal will lock him up until he’s 34.

Don’t know what that dollar amount will be to land a player like him, but how much would a 30-40 goal scorer who can put up between 60-80 points be worth to you? He’s also had playoff success with 29 goals and 53 points in 75 playoff games.

I think a player of that ilk can make a big impact. This is unlike taking a gamble on Ilya Kovalchuk.

He'll be 28 when the puck drops next season. He hasn't played a full season in 5 years due to injuries.

His career average goal rate is 32, (which is inflated by this outlier season he's unlikely to repeat). And at his age he's on the precipice of his decline.

He's likely a 20-30g, 50-60pts player here for 9-10M per season.

No doubt he would be a huge help for the next few years, but not worth it IMO.

 

[verbalkint47]

The Los Angeles Kings acquired three-time All-Star right wing Marian Gaborik from the Columbus Blue Jackets on Wednesday.

Columbus received right wing Matt Frattin, a second-round draft pick and a conditional third-round pick in exchange for Gaborik, the Blue Jackets announced.

Oh damn I was way off lol.. I must have mixed up with the Freddy Modin return which might have even just been future considerations