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Confirmed with Link: Kings aquire Bishop, 2017 5th rd pk for Budaj , Erik Cernak, 7th & cond pick

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Ziggy Stardust said:
March 5, 2014: Marian Gaborik traded to Los Angeles by Columbus for Matt Frattin, Edmonton's 3rd round pick (later traded to Detroit - Detroit selected Dominic Turgeon) in 2014 NHL Draft and Toronto's 2nd round pick (previously acquired, later traded back to Toronto - Toronto selected Travis Dermott) in 2015 NHL Draft.

That Toronto second was obtained in the Bernier trade. There was nothing wrong with that trade and I didn't list it as part of Dean's frenzy of dealing away high picks.

And aren't you always making excuses for the scouting staff and Dean Lombardi? You claim they draft well enough, yet when they keep dealing these prospects you turn around and say they're not good enough. So doesn't that lead into questioning what this scouting staff is looking at? Sounds like some people want to have it both ways...

And I'm not outraged with this trade specifically, it's a series of poor decisions since the summer of 2014 that has ultimately led to one single playoff win in an embarrassing showing. I'll keep reminding you of that fact since you tend to bury your head in the sand when this little fact is brought up.
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Not at all. I said above I liked Cernak. But I"m also able to see we're flush with D prospects, including those youngsters that just cracked our roster, so if there's one we're able to give up, it's the long-term guy in juniors.

I don't need 'excuses' for this trade, it just doesn't match up at all with the ones you've posted. We gave up a 7th and got a 5th. We gave up Cernak and got Bishop with retention. The only part of that that 'hurts' is that Cernak was a 2nd--but even if we look at it that way, we gave up a 2nd and a 7th (and apparently a complicated conditional pick) for a vezina finalist #1 goalie and a 5th. We obviously disagree on the whys of those other moves, but I'm not seeing the impending apocalypse based on this one. Now moving forward, if we keep giving up 1sts and 2nds? Hell, I'll take the wheel of that boat for you.

Side note, totally OT, is that DOminic Turgeon Pierre's kid? God I'm old.
 
I guess my initial reaction was shock and as that has worn off I don't hate at all, I just question why we acquired another goalie. Bishop is great and all but I just don't understand, is he splitting duties with Quick?Obviously this has to just be a rental right? Or do they sign him for a season and excise him in the expansion draft? Maybe Lombardi really does not want to lose anyone on the team that much? I have no idea what's going on, there has to be another move right? I don't have much faith in Cernak so it's not much of a loss imo, and I appreciate what Budaj did during his time here but again it's a business it doesn't really bother me that he was traded. Should be an interesting time until the deadline. My hope is that Gaborik is the next shoe to drop.
 
deeshamrock said:
The only name out there is Sharp, and that's not even double , let alone a home run. And another rental, which is Lombardi's forte. With about 3.5M left, not gonna buy much, unless there is a big trade coming for a legit top 6 winger that isn't a rental. And Bishop's play this year has left a lot to be desired, he's been awful most of the year. Sutter plans to start him Tues vs the Flames in what might be the most important game of the year. So hopefully the new city, new logo gives his game a boost.
I don't see them as a playoff team, they have too much ground to cover. DL should have done this midseason or sooner.
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With nobody in the league making many mid-season trades anymore? If Lombardi did it mid-season, he would've had to give up that much more for a goalie that has apparently struggled. But assets!
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Exactly.

"we're still looking for a top-six forward" is like a bug zapper for ****** deals.
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It's kind of dumb though like the injuries thing. Everyone in the world knows the Kings are desperate for offense. Just because Dean says it publicly doesn't make it true.
 
The Kings have a lot of 3-4's and B2B left. Quick is coming off a major injury, and Budaj despite playing well, gives up those crushing softies.

The Kings can't afford losing streaks from here on out. Cernak is not a lot to give up, the kid was going to be another Five year project type of Defender.

I don't blame Lombardi for pulling the trigger. The objective every year from here on out is to win the Cup, not rebuild.

Kopitar signing sealed this franchises fate for the next four/five years. It's playoff's or bust.
 
Scottkmlps said:
You think Lombardi is going to play his hand? Not a chance in hell.
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I certainly don't, but I wouldn't be shocked if he sat on his hands or pulled off another Versteeg like rental who will have little impact.

Seeing what a UFA rental like Hanzal was moved for, I can't imagine Dean making a splash like that. This was his big move.
 
Reaper45 said:
I guess my initial reaction was shock and as that has worn off I don't hate at all, I just question why we acquired another goalie. Bishop is great and all but I just don't understand, is he splitting duties with Quick?Obviously this has to just be a rental right? Or do they sign him for a season and excise him in the expansion draft? Maybe Lombardi really does not want to lose anyone on the team that much? I have no idea what's going on, there has to be another move right? I don't have much faith in Cernak so it's not much of a loss imo, and I appreciate what Budaj did during his time here but again it's a business it doesn't really bother me that he was traded. Should be an interesting time until the deadline. My hope is that Gaborik is the next shoe to drop.
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I doubt Bishop would even sign with the Kings knowing it would be for the expansion draft. He'll have his choice in the summer as a UFA. He's a rental, here because Quick just came back. End of story.

Johnny Utah said:
Maybe now kings use bishop and gaborik as a package to get out of the contract?
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A soon to be UFA goalie isn't going to entice anyone to take Gaborik's contract.
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
It's kind of dumb though like the injuries thing. Everyone in the world knows the Kings are desperate for offense. Just because Dean says it publicly doesn't make it true.
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And that is most likely why a trade for a top 6 winger hasn't happened yet. Price is high because the trading partners know the Kings are in an offensive black hole. Which should be a worry if the rumors that DL is working on a trade for SHarp worrisome. Rental overpayment, with other teams interested...
 
damacles1156 said:
The Kings have a lot of 3-4's and B2B left. Quick is coming off a major injury, and Budaj despite playing well, gives up those crushing softies.

The Kings can't afford losing streaks from here on out. Cernak is not a lot to give up, the kid was going to be another Five year project type of Defender.

I don't blame Lombardi for pulling the trigger. The objective every year from here on out is to win the Cup, not rebuild.

Kopitar signing sealed this franchises fate for the next four/five years. It's playoff's or bust.
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Pretty much. The more I let the deal sink it, the more sense it makes. This deal sets the tone. There are no excuses from here on out, it is playoff hockey, and they have a quality starting goaltender every night. However, it makes a deal for offense even more necessary. I don't see this working at all if Dean's answer to the offense is telling the team to re-discover their scoring themselves. It has to be addressed. You have to fire the bullet and make that final bet if you want to win.
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
It's kind of dumb though like the injuries thing. Everyone in the world knows the Kings are desperate for offense. Just because Dean says it publicly doesn't make it true.
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No, I agree the GMs know better and aren't dumb, which is why it's just public posturing. You don't publicly negotiate against yourself.
 
Kings needed a goaltender since Quick isn't going to do b2b starts. Budaj was starting to wear down. Maybe having a more reliable G will help free up the forwards.

Cernak was too long a project and we already have enough defensemen. And I still think this was just Trade 1 of 2.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
I doubt Bishop would even sign with the Kings knowing it would be for the expansion draft. He'll have his choice in the summer as a UFA. He's a rental, here because Quick just came back. End of story.



A soon to be UFA goalie isn't going to entice anyone to take Gaborik's contract.
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Kings would allow Vegas to negotiate him, prior to expansion draft which I believe is before he hits UFA, in exchange they agree not to take a guy like Dowd, or maybe McNabb, (if Bishop agrees to a deal). Sign and trade

Not saying it will happen, but if Lombardi is one thing, he is creative and understands loopholes, and handshake deals
 
Telos said:
Pretty much. The more I let the deal sink it, the more sense it makes. This deal sets the tone. There are no excuses from here on out, it is playoff hockey, and they have a quality starting goaltender every night. However, it makes a deal for offense even more necessary. I don't see this working at all if Dean's answer to the offense is telling the team to re-discover their scoring themselves. It has to be addressed. You have to fire the bullet and make that final bet if you want to win.
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Ohh thats a good point. Reminds me of the Sekera deal in that regard.

No excuses, you have a #1 guy. Stop slumping your shoulders when you play well and 'deserve better' but our guy lets in a leaker.

Watching these guys chase every game was super frustrating, imagine how they felt as players...

This doesn't solve the scoring directly but it's gotta be a psych boost. At least, as you say, they don't have that 'but goaltending' as a crutch (not that they should anyway, mentally tough athletes, but you know).
 
Despite Budaj playing well for his age and ability, he let in crushing soft goals. Goals that had no business going in the net.

I mean back breakers.
 
Wow. Well I was totally correct on this one, I suggested it 3 weeks ago. Made too much sense with DL's connections to team USA and Dean's tendency to only get players he knows.
 
Stimpythecat said:
Kings needed a goaltender since Quick isn't going to do b2b starts. Budaj was starting to wear down. Maybe having a more reliable G will help free up the forwards.

Cernak was too long a project and we already have enough defensemen. And I still think this was just Trade 1 of 2.
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Free up how? And although I've been a fan of Bishops since his days in Ottawa, this year he hasn't been good, and his numbers don't lie. So right now, given how he's played, I don't see him as an upgrade over Budaj who has been better . As for wearing down, with Quick back, Budaj would have plenty of time to rest between starts, Quick would be playing most of the remaining games, Budaj would have what about 4 or so more starts over 6 weeks?

DL still sees this team as a contender, he's still lost in the past. Getting a new backup goalie won't solve their scoring problems. Their shots per 60 were only slightly lower (1g per game) than last year. They are not sacrificing offense to play defense.

And they will be playing teams with top goalies who do have better scoring forwards.
Best of luck to Big Ben, maybe this will give him a boost.
 
Quick comes back and allows 1 goal and kings trade for another number 1 goalie. This is the dumbest thing I've heard. They could have squeezed out a perennial back up for nothing by the trade deadline.
 
Butch 19 said:
Who is going to score ze goals? Carter and Toffili are the only 2 (really only 1.5) players you can count on
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Did you miss this part of my post?:

"So if this move is in conjunction with more/bigger moves coming, then I like it. However, if this is the only significant move they make, then I'm opposed."

The "bigger move" would be getting a scoring winger.
 
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