Confirmed with Link: Kings aquire Bishop, 2017 5th rd pk for Budaj , Erik Cernak, 7th & cond pick

[Legionnaire]

Welcome to Los Angeles Sam Bennett.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

this is not good imo wish we knew more on this

2nd if they win the cup
3rd for WCF
4th for 2nd round
5th for playoffs

I'm just guessing though.

 

[fsanford]

Yes. If they are able to negotiate a contract with him during the window prior to the expansion draft taking place, he would then count as the selection from LA.

I think maybe Deano had an eye on this as an option going forward. Vegas probably has some interest in Bishop so it becomes another option if Vegas does indeed sign him. We'll see what happens in June.

Atleast we got a 5th, is it conditional?

I won't pretend to make an observation on Cernak as I have yet to see him play so hopefully someone else with some knowledge on his game will chime in.

Budaj did one heck of a job, hat tip to him and good luck in Tampa.

This, Kings let Vegas start talking to him before their expansion draft, so they can set up a deal then the possibility exists that Vegas would agree to take a certain player (Gaborik)

Or Vegas would agree not to take a couple of players from the Kings that we will not be able to protect, especially if we do the 8 skaters and 1 goalie format.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yes. If they are able to negotiate a contract with him during the window prior to the expansion draft taking place, he would then count as the selection from LA.

I think maybe Deano had an eye on this as an option going forward. Vegas probably has some interest in Bishop so it becomes another option if Vegas does indeed sign him. We'll see what happens in June.

Atleast we got a 5th, is it conditional?

I won't pretend to make an observation on Cernak as I have yet to see him play so hopefully someone else with some knowledge on his game will chime in.

Budaj did one heck of a job, hat tip to him and good luck in Tampa.

Pronman, who I trust a lot on prospects, has suggested Cernak has become kind of a longer-term prospect. Think Forbort. He's playing well, but still has a lot to learn, so still years off. Similar to McKeown.

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0627668781908366195-4

 

[Bandit]

Quick hasn't played since opening night. It's in case he gets hurt again. That's all it is.

If Quick gets hurt again, it doesn't matter who the backup is for the rest of the year.

this is not good imo wish we knew more on this

You'd be mad if the Kings gave up another 2nd for winning the cup?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Just like in baseball, they say you can never have enough pitching, I'd say in hockey, you can never have enough prospects on the back end. It's such a hard position to try to get top end defenseman and it's very difficult to trade for them so it's always good to have an arsenal of them to see if you can have one or two work out for you. See Anaheim, they are loaded and I'm sure it's envious to many rival clubs.

Sure, but we have so many prospects on the back end that we were loaning them to the ECHL and that's BEFORE the juniors kids make it. And we have three on our roster as we speak.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Here's my new hope Bishop + for a top line forward and backup goalie

Nobody needs a goalie. That's why Tampa didn't get much for Bishop.

Just like in baseball, they say you can never have enough pitching, I'd say in hockey, you can never have enough prospects on the back end. It's such a hard position to try to get top end defenseman and it's very difficult to trade for them so it's always good to have an arsenal of them to see if you can have one or two work out for you. See Anaheim, they are loaded and I'm sure it's envious to many rival clubs.

The Kings have the youngest defense they've had since...I don't even know when. Doughty is the elder statesman in games played, and not too far off Martinez in age.

this is not good imo wish we knew more on this

I'm going to guess if Bishop ends up playing X amount, and/or the Kings go deep, the pick ends up higher in the draft. What's not good about it?

 

[Martyros]

Like what? I'm all ears. Was there even any buzz around Cernak?

insert any capable top 6 forward available.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

a backup, a last round pick, and a prospect you hate for a HIGHER pick and a legit #1 vezina finalist goalie is a LONG way from this.

I'm bummed about Cernak, I liked him, but how many prospect D can we have?

That's what has me miffed. It's a long line of blown 2nd round picks that adds another black eye to his scouting staff.

2016: Traded 1st pick and 3rd round picks.

2015: Traded 1st and 2nd round picks (Cernak).

2014: Traded 2nd round pick (McKeown).

2013: Traded 1st, 2nd (Zykov) and 3rd round picks.

The only one of those deals to work out was the 2013 first that was in the Carter trade, a player who wasn't a rental.

Nobody will complain if these blown assets result in more Cups, but honestly, that's not happening and these blown picks and assets are going to hurt the team in the longer term.

I'm fine with trading them if the team is close to Cup contention (they aren't) or if they acquire another player with term (which they aren't).

Which leads me to question whether Dean is blowing away high picks, or the team is doing a bad job in finding talent in the second rounds which is enabling him to do so? Or it's both?

This has to be a precursor to another trade. Maybe Kempe and LaDue to Tampa for Boyle and Coburn. It's consistent with Dean's decision making over the past three years.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't take this trade at face value because I'm sure there's more to come, but this is similar to the Sekera trade--ok we got your help, now go for it.

It makes sense because we have four sets of back to backs left including a couple of 3 in 4s, and while Quick will say he wants to play every night, let's try not to break him. Every game is a playoff game now, and if Budaj kept falling apart, we'd be toast for sure.

 

[kovacro]

Pronman, who I trust a lot on prospects, has suggested Cernak has become kind of a longer-term prospect. Think Forbort. He's playing well, but still has a lot to learn, so still years off. Similar to McKeown.

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0627668781908366195-4

Thanks. So he could be considered more of a 'suspect' than a 'prospect' at this point.

I don't mind the deal. Just depends on how high that conditional pick would be. Now, if the Kings somehow win the Cup, I would care less if they had to flip a potential 2nd to Tampa.

 

[AKAY47]

This trade also eats a chunk of the cap space the Kings had to acquire a forward in a trade. We could've also used Cernak in a trade for that forward.

The obvious name is Patrick Sharp. Philly ties, expiring contract, can play the wing position or even centre. Watch the Stars squeeze a first out of us for him. Don't even remember the last time we had a first round pick. Kempe?

 

[lexlavender]

This trade seems needless, unless the Quick injury is worse than we know. Possible they might think Quick career's coming to a close.

I hope Cernak doesn't become something nice, he's righty and that might hurt. Flashes of the Colin Miller deal.

I don't hate it, but I hate that Lombardi's throwing assets away on a team that has big issues.

 

[Whiskeypete]

strange trade and my first reaction is WTF?

at this point i think it
1) better insurance back-up plan should Quick re-injure himself
2) upgrade over Budaj, who was fantastic all season. i think recently his stats started to show he was beginning to wear down from the GP, since Zatkoff was a dumpster fire
3) the outside chance and gamble that DL is going to try flip Bishop for a winger to play with Kopitar

i'm with most though, Deano has lost his touch and clearly got away from his draft and grow internally strategy which has lead to the team's current and future struggles. bad trades, bad contracts over the years have totally handcuffed this team for the foreseeable future

i'm still watching, i'll always watch but my sense of security this team is in good hands has totally been lost.

 

[KingsFan7824]

If Quick gets hurt again, it doesn't matter who the backup is for the rest of the year.

Unless Bishop gets going should that happen. That's why he's a King today. So that it might matter. In theory, would people rather have Bishop or Budaj in net if it came down to 1 game?

 

[Johnny Utah]

Did Lombardi hit his head? Why do this unless they are going to flip Bishop?

Horrible.

 

[KingsFan7824]

This trade seems needless, unless the Quick injury is worse than we know. Possible they might think Quick career's coming to a close.

I hope Cernak doesn't become something nice, he's righty and that might hurt. Flashes of the Colin Miller deal.

I don't hate it, but I hate that Lombardi's throwing assets away on a team that has big issues.

Does anyone check how many minutes Miller plays in Boston?

 

[King'sPawn]

So the Kings need scoring and to replenish the cupboard with younger talent, and they trade for a goalie and upgrade a 7th round pick.

Right now my gut tells me this is horrible.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Horrible.

As needless as the deal was, it's as equally needless to throw around words like horrible to describe it. Horrible. How exactly is it horrible?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Does anyone check how many minutes Miller plays in Boston?

16 minutes, and his 4 goals is only two less than Kopitar!

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

That's what has me miffed. It's a long line of blown 2nd round picks that adds another black eye to his scouting staff.

2016: Traded 1st pick and 3rd round picks.

2015: Traded 1st and 2nd round picks (Cernak).

2014: Traded 2nd round pick (McKeown).

2013: Traded 1st, 2nd (Zykov) and 3rd round picks.

The only one of those deals to work out was the 2013 first that was in the Carter trade, a player who wasn't a rental.

Nobody will complain if these blown assets result in more Cups, but honestly, that's not happening and these blown picks and assets are going to hurt the team in the longer term.

I'm fine with trading them if the team is close to Cup contention (they aren't) or if they acquire another player with term (which they aren't).

Which leads me to question whether Dean is blowing away high picks, or the team is doing a bad job in finding talent in the second rounds which is enabling him to do so? Or it's both?

This has to be a precursor to another trade. Maybe Kempe and LaDue to Tampa for Boyle and Coburn. It's consistent with Dean's decision making over the past three years.

You hit the nail on the head. I have no problem with Ben Bishop. He's a good goalie. But we're trading away our top picks and prospects, leaving ourselves mainly mid to late round prospects. Even if Colin Miller doesn't ever become a Top 4 defenseman, he's still in the NHL. I think Roland McKeown will also hit the NHL at some point. Both gone with their return lasting no more than 1 season. Calgary and Nashville won't stop winning and I seriously doubt our likelihood of making the playoffs. Cernak may or may not make the NHL someday, but we've managed to jettison our top 2 picks from 2015 for probably nothing in assets past April.

 

[deeshamrock]

Unless Bishop gets going should that happen. That's why he's a King today. So that it might matter. In theory, would people rather have Bishop or Budaj in net if it came down to 1 game?[/QUOTE]

On paper it should be Bishop, but he's not having a good season. Budaj's numbers are better in every category and Bishop is injury prone.
I don't like this trade, but doesn't surprise me given how DL is lost.

There is also a rumor (mild one) that Bishop might be part of a 2nd trade to the Stars to get Sharp. Something about Lehtonen coming back. Bishop would sign with Dallas , not so sure he'd sign with Vegas. It's up to him to sign with a team not the other way around. And there are teams out there that will be interested.

I've always been a fan of Bishop but this year in most games he's looked like he's lost a step.

And the Kings still have to face teams with very skilled goalies and a better forward group, just in the week ahead the Wild and Caps. Goaltending wasn't the problem, scoring and offense is and remains the issue. And Patrick Sharp isn't the answer, another over the hill vet with 2 concussions this year having to learn a new system in 20 games. Can't see it...

 

[Kingspiracy]

I think the trade is starting to grow on me, we've added Big Ben (ding dong) for cheap. A top level netminder. Who's 1a now, a rusty Quick or a keen to cash in Bishop? Surely we've seen the last of the ol softee against this year.

Grats to Budaj, outstanding effort for the team, kept us in the hunt so far.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I am withholding judgement until I see the other move DL makes. The retention part of the trade makes me certain another trade is in the works.

Kings have $3.1 million in cap space - $3.3 million on deadline day. 23 on the roster. If the kings acquire someone else, then someone on the roster goes or is traded. Either case, their cap hit is taken off and the new player's cap hit added.

So $4 million or so, maybe more in cap space effectively for a traded player.

 

[Telos]

Oviously this gives us great flexibility in goal, but you've got to be kidding me on the timing of this rental... The price makes sense in a vacuum, but for this team it is senseless. They would have been much better spent on offensive or defensive talent. Goaltending, outside of a moderately cheap long term backup option, was the last place we should be throwing assets at.

I am horrified to admit it, but this deal reeks of Dean trying to re-secure his job. Obviously, every game until the end of the season is a playoff game for the Kings now, and they have a hill to climb now, but this move now forces Dean to make some more moves because this is going to turn all or nothing real fast...