Confirmed with Link: Kings aquire Bishop, 2017 5th rd pk for Budaj , Erik Cernak, 7th & cond pick

[WHOneedsSOX]

Unless Bishop gets going should that happen. That's why he's a King today. So that it might matter. In theory, would people rather have Bishop or Budaj in net if it came down to 1 game?[/QUOTE]

On paper it should be Bishop, but he's not having a good season. Budaj's numbers are better in every category and Bishop is injury prone.
I don't like this trade, but doesn't surprise me given how DL is lost.

There is also a rumor (mild one) that Bishop might be part of a 2nd trade to the Stars to get Sharp. Something about Lehtonen coming back. Bishop would sign with Dallas , not so sure he'd sign with Vegas. It's up to him to sign with a team not the other way around. And there are teams out there that will be interested.

I've always been a fan of Bishop but this year in most games he's looked like he's lost a step.

And the Kings still have to face teams with very skilled goalies and a better forward group, just in the week ahead the Wild and Caps.

Why would the Kings trade for Lehtonen? He has a year on his deal still at $5.9 million. Sharp isn't worth that.

 

[Bandit]

This trade maybe doesn't make a ton of sense but there's no way it's horrible. I would have liked it a lot better 3 months ago though.

 

[KingsFan7824]

You hit the nail on the head. I have no problem with Ben Bishop. He's a good goalie. But we're trading away our top picks and prospects, leaving ourselves mainly mid to late round prospects. Even if Colin Miller doesn't ever become a Top 4 defenseman, he's still in the NHL. I think Roland McKeown will also hit the NHL at some point. Both gone with their return lasting no more than 1 season. Calgary and Nashville won't stop winning and I seriously doubt our likelihood of making the playoffs. Cernak may or may not make the NHL someday, but we've managed to jettison our top 2 picks from 2015 for probably nothing in assets past April.

So is McNabb.

 

[lexlavender]

There are things they are keeping from us about Quick's injury, I think. Could be much worse than reported. He played well on Saturday, but he was certainly slow to recover some times. Definitely relied more on positioning than his athleticism, and doesn't seem nearly as explosive.

According to Rosen, Lombardi was look for someone "who was a #1 goalie". Maybe they intend this to be more than just a rental.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's what has me miffed. It's a long line of blown 2nd round picks that adds another black eye to his scouting staff.

2016: Traded 1st pick and 3rd round picks.

2015: Traded 1st and 2nd round picks (Cernak).

2014: Traded 2nd round pick (McKeown).

2013: Traded 1st, 2nd (Zykov) and 3rd round picks.

The only one of those deals to work out was the 2013 first that was in the Carter trade, a player who wasn't a rental.

Nobody will complain if these blown assets result in more Cups, but honestly, that's not happening and these blown picks and assets are going to hurt the team in the longer term.

I'm fine with trading them if the team is close to Cup contention (they aren't) or if they acquire another player with term (which they aren't).

Which leads me to question whether Dean is blowing away high picks, or the team is doing a bad job in finding talent in the second rounds which is enabling him to do so? Or it's both?

This has to be a precursor to another trade. Maybe Kempe and LaDue to Tampa for Boyle and Coburn. It's consistent with Dean's decision making over the past three years.

Uhhh, Gaborik?

Yeah, all we have to show for that asset moving is a Cup! How dumb!

I agree that the organizational shift needs to be back towards stockpiling assets--which is why this deadline may be a missed opportunity--but bemoaning losing Cernak when no one here has talked about him since his draft is a little bit bewildering, and I know no one is sweating the 7th.

Obviously we don't agree on the previous trades, like Sekera, and I agree (most do) that moving forward we need to restock, but people talking about this trade in particular like it's a harbinger of the end is a COMPLETE overreaction. Also a little premature to call them 'blown' picks when we don't know what they are yet--are you one of the guys who called Forbort a bust? Sounds like some people want to have it both ways--call them ****** picks, then be outraged when they're traded.

 

[Telos]

The next deal is going to be monumentally important. It has to be a home run and we have to go deep in the playoffs to justify it. Buckle your seatbelts I guess... Hopefully Kopitar & Co. wake up to the moves as well or this is going no where fast.

 

[CanadianKingsFan14]

I don't mind this trade. It gives us more insurance going down the stretch and with the back to back games we will have it will be good. Budja was awesome but has struggled over the last couple of weeks. Also we can always trade his rights in the offseason and get another pick out of it since he will be the top ufa goalie. I'm sure Lombardi has another trade brewing for a top 6 forward so will see weds.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

David Pagnotta
‏@TheFourthPeriod

Conf call is over. Takeaways:
1. LA/TB spoke for last 2 weeks
2. Quick/Bishop likely splitting duties down stretch
3. LA won't overpay for F

 

[KingsFan7824]

On paper it should be Bishop, but he's not having a good season. Budaj's numbers are better in every category and Bishop is injury prone.
I don't like this trade, but doesn't surprise me given how DL is lost.

There is also a rumor (mild one) that Bishop might be part of a 2nd trade to the Stars to get Sharp. Something about Lehtonen coming back. Bishop would sign with Dallas , not so sure he'd sign with Vegas. It's up to him to sign with a team not the other way around. And there are teams out there that will be interested.

I've always been a fan of Bishop but this year in most games he's looked like he's lost a step.

And the Kings still have to face teams with very skilled goalies and a better forward group, just in the week ahead the Wild and Caps.

And Budaj wasn't having a great end to his career until last year in Ontario, and then came in and pretty much shocked everyone this year. Things can turn around.

 

[KINGS17]

I am having flashbacks to a play I attended a few years ago...

"Dumb, dumb, dumb...dumb, dumb!!"

This season is a wash. These players should sink or swim on their own.

 

[lexlavender]

Rosen says that Lombardi tends to be hinting that offensive improvement has to come from within. There might be no big deal for a forward.

But WTF do I know, this deal came out of nowhere for me, logic wise.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Package Bishop and Gaborik somewhere please. Anything to get out of that contract.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Rosen says that Lombardi tends to be hinting that offensive improvement has to come from within. There might be no big deal for a forward.

But WTF do I know, this deal came out of nowhere for me, logic wise.

I HOPE it's just posturing, trying not to get ripped off. He's not wrong in that we need more numbers from the inside. And I have to think he's actively looking.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

There are things they are keeping from us about Quick's injury, I think. Could be much worse than reported. He played well on Saturday, but he was certainly slow to recover some times. Definitely relied more on positioning than his athleticism, and doesn't seem nearly as explosive.

According to Rosen, Lombardi was look for someone "who was a #1 goalie". Maybe they intend this to be more than just a rental.

100% a rental. Bishop wants to start. He knows he won't here with Quick around. Not to mention the Kings can't/shouldn't sign two goalies for over $10 million combined.

 

[MOGlLNY]

David Pagnotta
‏@TheFourthPeriod

Conf call is over. Takeaways:
1. LA/TB spoke for last 2 weeks
2. Quick/Bishop likely splitting duties down stretch
3. LA won't overpay for F

So we're easing Quicker back into it, hoping we make the playoffs then try and ride him all the way?

 

[lexlavender]

I'm starting to come more to terms with this deal.

Bishop was a Vezina finalist LAST YEAR, and we paid a crazy cheap price.

Cernak might hurt, but prospect wise we're flush on D
Budaj was UFA anyway, and is in the twlight of his career
7th becomes a 5th
If the pick is conditional on making playoffs, and we end up missing, there's no chance we'll be giving up a high pick.
Quick injury might be worse than we realize, and this will allow him to heal up a bit more.

It's for sure a deal from left field, but it isn't terrible.

 

[deeshamrock]

The next deal is going to be monumentally important. It has to be a home run and we have to go deep in the playoffs to justify it. Buckle your seatbelts I guess... Hopefully Kopitar & Co. wake up to the moves as well or this is going no where fast.

The only name out there is Sharp, and that's not even double , let alone a home run. And another rental, which is Lombardi's forte. With about 3.5M left, not gonna buy much, unless there is a big trade coming for a legit top 6 winger that isn't a rental. And Bishop's play this year has left a lot to be desired, he's been awful most of the year. Sutter plans to start him Tues vs the Flames in what might be the most important game of the year. So hopefully the new city, new logo gives his game a boost.
I don't see them as a playoff team, they have too much ground to cover. DL should have done this midseason or sooner.


OT- RIP Bill Paxton, a great actor who was consistently good in just about everything he did and from all accounts of those who knew him, a really
good person and good friend. 61 is way too young.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Uhhh, Gaborik?

Yeah, all we have to show for that asset moving is a Cup! How dumb!

I agree that the organizational shift needs to be back towards stockpiling assets--which is why this deadline may be a missed opportunity--but bemoaning losing Cernak when no one here has talked about him since his draft is a little bit bewildering, and I know no one is sweating the 7th.

Obviously we don't agree on the previous trades, like Sekera, and I agree (most do) that moving forward we need to restock, but people talking about this trade in particular like it's a harbinger of the end is a COMPLETE overreaction. Also a little premature to call them 'blown' picks when we don't know what they are yet--are you one of the guys who called Forbort a bust? Sounds like some people want to have it both ways--call them ****** picks, then be outraged when they're traded.

March 5, 2014: Marian Gaborik traded to Los Angeles by Columbus for Matt Frattin, Edmonton's 3rd round pick (later traded to Detroit - Detroit selected Dominic Turgeon) in 2014 NHL Draft and Toronto's 2nd round pick (previously acquired, later traded back to Toronto - Toronto selected Travis Dermott) in 2015 NHL Draft.

That Toronto second was obtained in the Bernier trade. There was nothing wrong with that trade and I didn't list it as part of Dean's frenzy of dealing away high picks.

And aren't you always making excuses for the scouting staff and Dean Lombardi? You claim they draft well enough, yet when they keep dealing these prospects you turn around and say they're not good enough. So doesn't that lead into questioning what this scouting staff is looking at? Sounds like some people want to have it both ways...

And I'm not outraged with this trade specifically, it's a series of poor decisions since the summer of 2014 that has ultimately led to one single playoff win in an embarrassing showing. I'll keep reminding you of that fact since you tend to bury your head in the sand when this little fact is brought up.

 

[lexlavender]

100% a rental. Bishop wants to start. He knows he won't here with Quick around. Not to mention the Kings can't/shouldn't sign two goalies for over $10 million combined.

I was implying it;s contingent on Quick's health. We don't have the full story on the injury. Could be worse than we thought.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[damacles1156]

I am kinda shocked Tampa let Bishop go for such a sub-par package.

Cernak really isn't that great of a prospect, was extremely disappointing at the WJ's.

 

[Scottkmlps]

I was implying it;s contingent on Quick's health. We don't have the full story on the injury. Could be worse than we thought.

It's insurance in case Quick gets injured again. Bishop is better than Budaj, period. Bishop is better insurance than Budaj, period. There is no full story on the injury. It's not that hard to understand why this trade was made. Budaj has sucked for the last few games. Lombardi & Sutter have lost confidence in Budaj, thus they brought in Bishop.
The Kings playoffs have already started. You feel more confident with a Quick/Bishop tandem or a Quick/Budaj tandem?

 

[SFKingshomer]

I am kinda shocked Tampa let Bishop go for such a sub-par package.

Cernak really isn't that great of a prospect.

And maybe DL thinks he can get more for Bishop? Or trade his rights to Vegas?

 

[Scottkmlps]

You think Lombardi is going to play his hand? Not a chance in hell.