Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob Show

[KingsFan7824]

With all that's happening this season, I really hope Blake sticks to his guns and doesn't get desperate. Like Sakic with Duchene, set a good price early on players and stick to it. Someone will get desperate

November 13th, and nothing has happened anywhere around the league. I'd say your hopes are still going strong. I'd say don't worry.

Other GM's/scouts are seeing the same Kings team we're seeing, and they all know the Kings cap/contract situation. Pearson's name can be out in rumors, but he's not an answer to any question. Zero goals, hasn't really come close, and isn't doing anything. I don't know why anyone would want him. It's not like he even has a history of greatness.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Disagree, Tampa, Nashville, Florida, and Toronto should/would I think, be all over Brown for his experience/leadership, don't undervalue the experience he brings from the Cup runs,

I'm not saying they are gonna empty the bank for him, but they absolutely would be kicking tires to see how serious the Kings would be about moving him.

Pass that joint, brother.

No one wants Brown and his giant cap hit unless the Kings are retaining 50%.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I definitely have lost some of my passion for the team after so many years and so many games. Seeing a championship team v. this current bull**** makes it easy to pass on games now as well.

Winning home games had helped me get over how much I hate the new NHL but this current team's pathetic display doesn't allow me to ignore how much the game has changed for the worse from a paying customer perspective.

There is very little bad blood. Chance of nastiness--even against a "bitter rival"--is seemingly zero. You could have a garbage team in the past but, bad or not, this was still hockey and these guys played a certain way. Doesn't matter if you are in dead last: you aren't running our best players or our goalie. That dead last team would still have guys on the 4th line that went out to really throw the body and add an element of danger that is gone from today's game.

Now when you're bad, you know that your team is going to lose and look like *****es while it happens. It's garbage.

"Progress!" Sure. You can have it. Still no denying the most amped the crowd gets is when the rough stuff is happening. Goals and fights/scrums. Those are the two biggest crowd pleasers. They've done away with the latter so all we have now is the former: when your team is a ****ing travesty and last in the league in goals for, you have nothing to cheer for except the odd goal when you are already losing and maybe some nice saves to keep you from going down by three goals.

Too much money invested, and too many injuries to the head. It's not just the NHL either. There aren't any Bad Boys or 90's Knicks in the NBA anymore. It's all 3 point shots, even the 7'0 guys. We can see what's going on in the NFL. You almost literally cannot touch the QB, defense is all but gone, and it's just QB's chucking the ball around 50 times a game. You don't really even see the chin music in baseball.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Didn't realize JAD got injured after getting sent down.

 

[BigKing]

Too much money invested, and too many injuries to the head. It's not just the NHL either. There aren't any Bad Boys or 90's Knicks in the NBA anymore. It's all 3 point shots, even the 7'0 guys. We can see what's going on in the NFL. You almost literally cannot touch the QB, defense is all but gone, and it's just QB's chucking the ball around 50 times a game. You don't really even see the chin music in baseball.

Yeah. It's garbage. The checking the video to try to figure out if it is a Flagrant I or Flagrant II is hilarious in the NBA.

At least football still requires physical contact on every play and, even with the softer rules, still lends itself to a game of who is the biggest bad ass. Toughness still matters as you can't fully legislate it out of the game since the whole point of defense is to make a guy go down to the ground.

Hockey? They are legislating hitting out of the game. They are legislating intensity out of the game. Prime example is the minor called on Clifford for face washing a clown that took runs all night. 1-0 game in the 3rd period and a guy that they've allowed to be a punk all night gets to draw a penalty for a face wash against him.

Sad thing for the NHL is that the NFL's rule changes are leading to more pinball games which people love because of Fantasy. In hockey, all I get is more power plays when 5-on-5 hockey has always been preferable and, in the end, no real noticeable bump in goals scored.

f*** it at this point. If you aren't going to have hitting and you've basically gotten rid of fighting and passion, just move it to 4-on-4 or even 3-on-3. Overtime hockey is a gimmick but the gimmick is more exciting than the 5-on-5 version that is trotted out there now.

 

[KingsFan7824]

At least football still requires physical contact on every play and, even with the softer rules, still lends itself to a game of who is the biggest bad ass. Toughness still matters as you can't fully legislate it out of the game since the whole point of defense is to make a guy go down to the ground.

Maybe, but the NFL is doing their best to get it out. Football has a further way to go, because there is more physical contact on every play, but they're trying.

**** it at this point. If you aren't going to have hitting and you've basically gotten rid of fighting and passion, just move it to 4-on-4 or even 3-on-3. Overtime hockey is a gimmick but the gimmick is more exciting than the 5-on-5 version that is trotted out there now.

Totally agree.

 

[tny760]

Overtime hockey is a gimmick but the gimmick is more exciting than the 5-on-5 version that is trotted out there now.

big facts

no room out there, if we're gonna play 5v5 we have to play on bigger ice

but muh purity muh records muh leafs

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Pass that joint, brother.

No one wants Brown and his giant cap hit unless the Kings are retaining 50%.

LOL that's just your thinking, again, you under value the experience that he brings, plus the player that he is, young team needing guidance/leadership, would be all over him.

 

[Fishhead]

Stevens was a problem. That problem was solved. The next problem is the roster. It also needs to be solved.

Sorry if I sound like Liam Neeson.

It's on Blake now to show what he has. I know he's a bright guy but I'm waiting to see how he handles this. DL shit the bed with a lot of his later moves, but regardless of his roster he demanded passion from his players. He's the kind of guy that would say "If you are going to lose, fine. But don't lose because you don't give a shit, lose because you forced the other team to give all they had." His time was up for sure, but that's something I think this team sorely misses.

Like most I'm suspicious of Luc, but I'm also suspicious of Beckerman. Leiweke was a used car salesman at times, but even when he had a ton of things on his plate his focus was always on the Kings. I get the vibe from Beckerman that the Kings are just an afterthought, he certainly doesn't seem as passionate about it. The Kings won again after he was promoted, but that was a continuation of what was already there. When things weren't working in the early/mid 2000's, Leiweke took full responsibility and would always answer and talk to fans, even when he knew he was an easy target. He learned from his mistakes, hired good hockey people, and got them there. History could repeat in Toronto, he's applying that same lesson again. I don't see Beckerman having any of that. That isn't required to win, of course, and lots of people manage with different styles. But when your CEO exhibits that passion and acts like the teams biggest fan it does trickle down.

 

[Bandit]

Good news: we may actually finish dead last this year.

 

[Johnny Utah]

At this point Blake is starting to piss me off. 17 games in and not one player has been waived or traded just fired the coach? What good has that done? 1-3?

This team needs a major shake up. If I was Blake I would start dealing any pieces not named Kopitar, Vilardi, Peterson, Clague, JAD, Kempe, or Doughty. Everyone else is tradeable. EVERYONE.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Stevens was a problem. That problem was solved. The next problem is the roster. It also needs to be solved.

Sorry if I sound like Liam Neeson.

It's on Blake now to show what he has. I know he's a bright guy but I'm waiting to see how he handles this. DL **** the bed with a lot of his later moves, but regardless of his roster he demanded passion from his players. He's the kind of guy that would say "If you are going to lose, fine. But don't lose because you don't give a ****, lose because you forced the other team to give all they had." His time was up for sure, but that's something I think this team sorely misses.

Like most I'm suspicious of Luc, but I'm also suspicious of Beckerman. Leiweke was a used car salesman at times, but even when he had a ton of things on his plate his focus was always on the Kings. I get the vibe from Beckerman that the Kings are just an afterthought, he certainly doesn't seem as passionate about it. The Kings won again after he was promoted, but that was a continuation of what was already there. When things weren't working in the early/mid 2000's, Leiweke took full responsibility and would always answer and talk to fans, even when he knew he was an easy target. He learned from his mistakes, hired good hockey people, and got them there. History could repeat in Toronto, he's applying that same lesson again. I don't see Beckerman having any of that. That isn't required to win, of course, and lots of people manage with different styles. But when your CEO exhibits that passion and acts like the teams biggest fan it does trickle down.

He MUST react and do something. Waive a player. Please trade someone. Why has there been no ruling on Voynov? He filed back on Nov 1 !! Can trade him in a package
and get something decent. Need a new player or 2 NOW; one that is not a callup from Ontario.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

At this point Blake is starting to piss me off. 17 games in and not one player has been waived or traded just fired the coach? What good has that done? 1-3?

This team needs a major shake up. If I was Blake I would start dealing any pieces not named Kopitar, Vilardi, Peterson, Clague, JAD, Kempe, or Doughty. Everyone else is tradeable. EVERYONE.

we were essentially writing the same post at the same time...but you posted yours 1 minute before.

 

[kingsholygrail]

big facts

no room out there, if we're gonna play 5v5 we have to play on bigger ice

but muh purity muh records muh leafs

Bigger ice is boring as f***. All it does is encourage perimeter play.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Blake’s taking his time making a move.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah. It's garbage. The checking the video to try to figure out if it is a Flagrant I or Flagrant II is hilarious in the NBA.

At least football still requires physical contact on every play and, even with the softer rules, still lends itself to a game of who is the biggest bad ass. Toughness still matters as you can't fully legislate it out of the game since the whole point of defense is to make a guy go down to the ground.

Hockey? They are legislating hitting out of the game. They are legislating intensity out of the game. Prime example is the minor called on Clifford for face washing a clown that took runs all night. 1-0 game in the 3rd period and a guy that they've allowed to be a punk all night gets to draw a penalty for a face wash against him.

Sad thing for the NHL is that the NFL's rule changes are leading to more pinball games which people love because of Fantasy. In hockey, all I get is more power plays when 5-on-5 hockey has always been preferable and, in the end, no real noticeable bump in goals scored.

**** it at this point. If you aren't going to have hitting and you've basically gotten rid of fighting and passion, just move it to 4-on-4 or even 3-on-3. Overtime hockey is a gimmick but the gimmick is more exciting than the 5-on-5 version that is trotted out there now.

He was also allowed to injure our goalie indirectly since we couldn't deter that play. Rat hockey going strong.

This kind of game might have less hitting and fighting but the NHL better get ready for two hand overhand slashes, spears off the bench, and other play since the players can't police themselves effectively. Gonna be frustration where people just snap instead of release tension.

Bigger ice is boring as ****. All it does is encourage perimeter play.

Yup. Just makes the game look slower honestly. Players just sink to the middle anyway.

 

[KingTrouty]

He MUST react and do something. Waive a player. Please trade someone. Why has there been no ruling on Voynov? He filed back on Nov 1 !! Can trade him in a package
and get something decent. Need a new player or 2 NOW; one that is not a callup from Ontario.

What do you think Voynov, who'll probably be on his last chance in the league is worth? GMs will be leery of spending too much on a player who might be one incident away from being banned for life. No GM wants to lose the RHD they just traded for, as well as whatever they lost in the trade.

I can't imagine very much, maybe a 4th? Do we want to lose Voynov for pennies on the dollar? Or re-sign him to something team friendly, and rebuild his value first? What if he was willing to do 4 x 4yr? Move Martinez and Muzzin this deadline for much nicer returns?

League is still doing their investigation last I heard.

 

[KingTrouty]

It would be perfect if Voynov's suspension lined up with end of the regular season. He's useless to us short term, but beneficial long term. We can sign him to a team-friendly deal, and trade Muzzin and Martinez and get much nicer returns. Voynov stays with us on a discount and is part of whatever it is we're gonna do going forward. We can still trade Marty and Muzzin at the deadline this year, since any notion of making the playoffs should be long, long gone by then.

Also, he hasn't been around this stagnant, lazy, emotionally checked out team. He isn't infected with their complacency. He'll be 29 at the start of next season. 4 years takes him to 33. If he plays like most think he will, he would be much more tradable at age 30 or 31, after showing the league he's still a top4 D, not a problem off the ice, and he's eaten the bad PR he's inevitably gonna catch when he comes back. We eat it, in a less scrutinized market.

Is there proof that Voynov told the Kings or the KHL or whomever it was, that he wants to play elsewhere? And even if he requests a trade, Blake has to find a partner. Other teams know this and will play hardball. I really hope that's bs.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

34 goals in 17 games, that is beyond pathetic. No other team in the league is in the 30's and only five teams are in the 40's

 

[kingsholygrail]

At this point Blake is starting to piss me off. 17 games in and not one player has been waived or traded just fired the coach? What good has that done? 1-3?

This team needs a major shake up. If I was Blake I would start dealing any pieces not named Kopitar, Vilardi, Peterson, Clague, JAD, Kempe, or Doughty. Everyone else is tradeable. EVERYONE.

So everyone anyone would have interest in is not tradeable... but everyone else is?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

34 goals in 17 games, that is beyond pathetic. No other team in the league is in the 30's and only five teams are in the 40's

You have to look at the positives. When the Kings suck, they suck hard.

 

[Kingsfan1]

Something is definitely wrong behind the scenes . 4th worst start in franchise history ? Just doesn’t make sense with the players we have . And the season some of the players just had . On the bright side getting Hughes will put us back into contender contention. Add in Kupari , Clague , JAD . Vilardi will never play in the NHL I’m convinced . The way the team speaks about his updates brings back nightmares about Allison and Deadmarsh

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Stuff that the press didn't get::::::::

Willie is probably thankful this is interim and ask to be released: "I thought I was getting an NHL head coaching job. This is not an NHL team, though.
I would prefer to go back to the Canadian amateur program...much better hockey players and they don't get paid $100,000 per game, or have a problem working hard. They can complete a 20 foot pass, finish their checks, play for each other, and do other rudimentary things, that hockey players do"

Sturm: "Das ist falsch" (this is fukked up) "Ich bin gerade 12 Stunden geflogen, um diesen Scheiß zu sehen" (I just flew 12 hours to see this shtt?")
"Meine Spieler nahmen Silber, aber dieses Hundescheißteam würde Gold einbringen" (My players took silver but would take gold over this dogshtt team)

John Stevens: (on a beach in Hawaii) "Life is good. I am playing 18 holes of golf in Kaanapali every day and getting paid well to do it. You know, it's really nice to wake up each day and eat fresh pineapple at my resort beachside restaurant with a better ocean view than El Segundo. And better, I don't have to go to Toyota Sports Center each morning and try to motivate mega millionaire failures to work hard and just do their job. I think their record is actually worse, now that I was canned. I can't remember where my dinner reservation is tonight. Mamas Fish House, I think. You know, they don't have hockey games on at the sports bar...but that's fine, if they got the Kings game on, that's not hockey, anyway. Gotta cut it short, tee time is in 35 minutes. I cannot believe the Kings are paying me to do this. I guess I should really thank the players, though. They are the ones who made this happen for me"

Dave Lowry: (after the Toronto game, he asked to have a private meeting with Willie and Sturm....door closes and the 3 are alone) "thanks guys, for meeting. Please Please Please tell me that you both are staying on...if you both leave, I'm fukked, cuz no one will take your jobs and Blake will ask me to take over. Can you please both give me your word?"

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

November 13th, and nothing has happened anywhere around the league. I'd say your hopes are still going strong. I'd say don't worry.

Other GM's/scouts are seeing the same Kings team we're seeing, and they all know the Kings cap/contract situation. Pearson's name can be out in rumors, but he's not an answer to any question. Zero goals, hasn't really come close, and isn't doing anything. I don't know why anyone would want him. It's not like he even has a history of greatness.

Mainly because GMs/Coaches don't judge solely on points/production, yes it has to be there to a point, but they also project on how a certain player might play in their system, their coach, their players etc.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Why has there been no ruling on Voynov? He filed back on Nov 1 !!

The league acknowledged they were starting their own investigation back on Sep 1st...that's 2.5 months with zero update on the situation. F-ing bullshit.