Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob Show

[PSP]

How does Blake deal with the "You wouldn't waive your NMC for the good of the team - why should I?" argument?

 

[LAKings88]

Our (lack of playoffs) theme should be nothing but tank avatars. From bacta tanks to war tanks.

 

[kilowatt]

Kapanen, Dermott, and Liljegren for Doughty. Blake asks Doughty to waive for this trade and lets it be known he has a deal already in place. That puts a ton of pressure on Doughty, who says he is all about winning, to accept a deal that returns him to Canada and the Toronto area.

You continue the tank this season, while trading Carter, Muzzin, and Martinez for whatever you can get, and hopefully draft Hughes or Kaako. Maybe Vilardi makes a full recovery, and the rebuild is in full swing.

Oh, and if you have to do it to make it work for Toronto, you take Hainsey off their hands.

That's a steal for Doughty. We could get a lot more.

 

[LAKings88]

I don't see the point of moving Doughty. He is not in his mid to late 30s. Nowadays, rebuilds are relatively quick (2-4 years maybe). Doughty is only 28 and I can see him being a high level defenseman even past 35. By the time he is 30-32, the Kings can be back on track if they sell the right players, and draft right (and get lucky with the draft).

What we need to do is load up on as many 1st rounders as we can in this deep draft. I think players like Muzzin, Carter, and Toffoli could fetch 1st rounders a piece, if not more. If the right trades are made, we can have four 1st round picks in 2019. That would be huge.

Edit: I also note that we are unlikely to draft a defenseman like Doughty in the next 10 years. Might as well keep DD. Elite defensemen like that don't grow on trees.

Pearson
Muzzin
Carter
Lewis
Forbort
Thompson

This is my trade deadline wish list.

Might get a couple first depending on Carts and Muzz.

 

[KINGS17]

That's a steal for Doughty. We could get a lot more.

Then get more, and tell us who you would want. It shows trading Doughty might be a good move for the Kings to consider.

I think the Kings need both quality and quantity, which is why I left Marner and Nylander out.

 

[KINGS17]

How does Blake deal with the "You wouldn't waive your NMC for the good of the team - why should I?" argument?

If that's Doughty's position then at least you took a shot. Kind of exposes Doughty's true priorities if he won't waive to go to a legit contender, especially Toronto.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

How does Blake deal with the "You wouldn't waive your NMC for the good of the team - why should I?" argument?

I somehow doubt any of the players were aware or even care.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

You know what Vilardi did before he was drafted by the Kings? Counter-intelligence.

There is no Vilardi.

Schrodinger’s prospect

 

[kilowatt]

Then get more, and tell us who you would want. It shows trading Doughty might be a good move for the Kings to consider.

I think the Kings need both quality and quantity, which is why I left Marner and Nylander out.

Perhaps to Colorado for Ottawa's first, Tyson Jost, and Sam Girard. But I haven't looked into it a ton.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Our (lack of playoffs) theme should be nothing but tank avatars. From bacta tanks to war tanks.

i love the idea

if everyone's down i'm down

would only be worth it if everyone's doing it

 

[Reaper45]

Id trade Kopitar and his piano before Doughty.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Id trade Kopitar and his piano before Doughty.

This

 

[KingsHockey24]

Id trade Kopitar and his piano before Doughty.

Trade Kopitar+Kempe+Pearson+Phaneuf for what you can get.

Get Richards out of retirement, Frolov from the Asia League, and sign Stoll and OD for 2 years at league mim.

Roll with:

Kovalchuk-Carter-Brown
Frolov-Richards-Toffoli
Iafallo-Stoll-Amadio
Clifford-Thompson-Lewis

Muzzin-Doughty
O'Donnell-Martinez
Forbort-Fantenberg

 

[KINGS17]

Id trade Kopitar and his piano before Doughty.

For sure, you think Kopitar would waive his NTC?

 

[KINGS17]

Perhaps to Colorado for Ottawa's first, Tyson Jost, and Sam Girard. But I haven't looked into it a ton.

No worries, we are just spit balling throwing out ideas here.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

How does Blake deal with the "You wouldn't waive your NMC for the good of the team - why should I?" argument?

*Doughty rips off A, leaves it on table*

For sure, you think Kopitar would waive his NTC?

Kopitar just built a two-lot Slovenian palace in Manhattan Beach. I think he could have pitchforks and torches surrounding his moat and he wouldn't even think of going anywhere but the motherland.

 

[Reaper45]

For sure, you think Kopitar would waive his NTC?

Yes. More than Doughty.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

For sure, you think Kopitar would waive his NTC?

More so than Doughty. Islanders would be a very good fit for Kopi.

I think it’s very risky forcing Doughty out, especially if he calls your bluff? Then wtf are you going to do? His trade value plummets immediately.

 

[KINGS17]

Kopitar just built a two-lot Slovenian palace in Manhattan Beach. I think he could have pitchforks and torches surrounding his moat and he wouldn't even think of going anywhere but the motherland.

Of all the players with a NMC I think Kopitar would be the least likely to waive this season, or in the future. He just seems content. At this time he has a full NMC, but in 2020-21 he must submit a list of 7 teams to which he would be willing to be traded. Blake should ask for the list on July 1, 2020.

Doughty appears to have a full NMC throughout the length of his entire contract.

In 2020-21 Kovalchuk must submit a list of 7 teams to which he would be willing to be traded.

Dustin Brown must submit a list of 8 teams to which he is willing to be traded. That clause is in effect throughout the remainder of his contract which expires after the 2021-22 season. I can't imagine a contending team taking on Brown's contract unless the Kings retained some to the cap hit. Brown would have real value as a top nine winger for a contending team at $3M a season with the Kings retaining $2.875.

Surprisingly, Nate Thompson has a limited NTC for this season which requires him to submit a list of 10 teams to which he is willing to be traded.

IF, and it's a huge IF, there are any teams on any of these guys lists that might make a play for them, the Kings should not worry about salary retention as they won't be contending for a few years. Players could sabotage their lists by submitting teams that have no use for them. For example, suppose Brown's list had Toronto, Florida, Tampa Bay, Boston, Nashville, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Washington on it. Would any of those teams be interested in Brown? I doubt it.

 

[Bandit]

If the Kings are going to rebuild (highly doubt it) Brown would probably be the last guy I'd trade. Cap space wouldn't be an issue, his trade value wouldn't be all that high anyway, and he's the only one left that could show the new kids how to give a shit.

 

[KINGS17]

If the Kings are going to rebuild (highly doubt it) Brown would probably be the last guy I'd trade. Cap space wouldn't be an issue, his trade value wouldn't be all that high anyway, and he's the only one left that could show the new kids how to give a ****.

I think it's becoming obvious that Luc is full of ****. The rebuild is the way to go, and if they don't it's only because Beckerman no longer gives a damn about the Kings ability to contend.

 

[bland]

If the Kings are going to rebuild (highly doubt it) Brown would probably be the last guy I'd trade. Cap space wouldn't be an issue, his trade value wouldn't be all that high anyway, and he's the only one left that could show the new kids how to give a ****.

He certainly left plenty of ****s around the ice from 2014-17...

 

[LAKings88]

I think it's becoming obvious that Luc is full of ****. The rebuild is the way to go, and if they don't it's only because Beckerman no longer gives a damn about the Kings ability to contend.

I’ll hold judgement until the deadline. They are committed to Kopi and Doughty. It’s what it is. I thought this team would at least contend for a playoff spot. Maybe this start coupled with the last playoffs will change Luc’s and the actual GM Blake’s views.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Kapanen, Dermott, and Liljegren for Doughty. Blake asks Doughty to waive for this trade and lets it be known he has a deal already in place. That puts a ton of pressure on Doughty, who says he is all about winning, to accept a deal that returns him to Canada and the Toronto area.

You continue the tank this season, while trading Carter, Muzzin, and Martinez for whatever you can get, and hopefully draft Hughes or Kaako. Maybe Vilardi makes a full recovery, and the rebuild is in full swing.

Oh, and if you have to do it to make it work for Toronto, you take Hainsey off their hands.

You'd almost HAVE to take back salary for that to work with Toronto, Hainsey, Zaitsev etc, then I think you can only trade one of Muzzin/Martinez. Lillijegren isn't ready for the NHL yet, or he would be there,

Muzzin / Dermott
Phaneuf / Fantenberg
Forbort / Brickley

Is something you would look at running next year....

I'd almost ask for another F....a Johnsson or that type etc from TOR if they were to deal Doughty

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Of all the players with a NMC I think Kopitar would be the least likely to waive this season, or in the future. He just seems content. At this time he has a full NMC, but in 2020-21 he must submit a list of 7 teams to which he would be willing to be traded. Blake should ask for the list on July 1, 2020.

Doughty appears to have a full NMC throughout the length of his entire contract.

In 2020-21 Kovalchuk must submit a list of 7 teams to which he would be willing to be traded.

Dustin Brown must submit a list of 8 teams to which he is willing to be traded. That clause is in effect throughout the remainder of his contract which expires after the 2021-22 season. I can't imagine a contending team taking on Brown's contract unless the Kings retained some to the cap hit. Brown would have real value as a top nine winger for a contending team at $3M a season with the Kings retaining $2.875.

Surprisingly, Nate Thompson has a limited NTC for this season which requires him to submit a list of 10 teams to which he is willing to be traded.

IF, and it's a huge IF, there are any teams on any of these guys lists that might make a play for them, the Kings should not worry about salary retention as they won't be contending for a few years. Players could sabotage their lists by submitting teams that have no use for them. For example, suppose Brown's list had Toronto, Florida, Tampa Bay, Boston, Nashville, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Washington on it. Would any of those teams be interested in Brown? I doubt it.

Disagree, Tampa, Nashville, Florida, and Toronto should/would I think, be all over Brown for his experience/leadership, don't undervalue the experience he brings from the Cup runs,

I'm not saying they are gonna empty the bank for him, but they absolutely would be kicking tires to see how serious the Kings would be about moving him.