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KingPuckChoo said:
Just a collection of info/rumors regarding the Kings...

What a coup would it be to get rid of dead weight like Pearson, Martinez, and Clifford and in return get W Nylander... highly unlikely but that would be a sweet coup by Blake


Neither the Maple Leafs or William Nylander are moving off their stance. doesn’t think the Leafs want to trade him yet, but they know it may be time to start seeing what options are out there. The Leafs could target teams that they feel would be fits. GM Kyle Dubas scouted the Flyers, Kings, Wild, and Hurricanes recently.

Frank Seravalli of TSN: TSN’s top 15 NHL trade bait board.
1. William Nylander – Toronto Maple Leafs
2. Kevin Hayes – New York Rangers
3. Mats Zuccarello – New York Rangers
4. Alec Martinez – Los Angeles Kings
5. Gustav Nyquist – Detroit Red Wings
6. Tanner Pearson – Los Angeles Kings
7. Sergei Bobrovsky – Columbus Blue Jackets
8. Brett Pesce – Carolina Hurricanes
9. Tyler Myers – Winnipeg Jets
10. Artemi Panarin – Columbus Blue Jackets
11. Vladimir Namestnikov – New York Rangers
12. Charles Hudon – Montreal Canadiens
13. Zack Kassian – Edmonton Oilers
14. Kyle Clifford – Los Angeles Kings
15. Wayne Simmonds – Philadelphia Flyers


Chris Nichols of Nichols on Hockey: Darren Dreger was on TSN 1290 and was asked about Frank Seravalli’s trade bait board.
“The sense that I get from L.A. – now, this is going back a week or so ago and I specifically asked about Martinez – the feedback I got back was, ‘Not yet.’”​

Dreger notes that teams never want to make trades when they are in “a position of weakness.” There would be lots of interest in Martinez but the value isn’t as high as what GM Rob Blake may like.
“But that’s part of the heavy lifting of being a GM. Blake has got to assess his situation, coaching included – and now that Quick is out for an extended and indefinite period of time – and decide whether or not a trade is enough to inject some life into this group, or just sit pat and see how it goes.”


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You want Nylander? Be prepared to give up Muzzin or Martinez, plus JAD or Kupari and a 2nd.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Maybe not, would posters here pay a higher price? Say Martinez, JAD, Clague, and a 1st. I don't think the Kings have the assets to acquire Nylander. Other teams can top any offer the Kings make.
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I dunno about paying a higher price, but yea, other teams can top most offers LA makes,
 
KINGS17 said:
Maybe not, would posters here pay a higher price? Say Martinez, JAD, Clague, and a 1st. I don't think the Kings have the assets to acquire Nylander. Other teams can top any offer the Kings make.
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I dunno about paying a higher price, but yea, other teams can top most offers LA makes,
 
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If Voynov reinstated:

rights to Voynov, Muzzin, Akil Thomas to TOR for Nylander...something like that?
 
Peter James Bond II said:
If Voynov reinstated:

rights to Voynov, Muzzin, Akil Thomas to TOR for Nylander...something like that?
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wow that's alot of GOOD for Nylander

Muzzin would be on Toronto's first pairing, we might be low on Muzz but Babcock definitely won't be - don't forget he had a boner for Muzz Team Canada edition

Voynov is another top 4

and Akil Thomas is a potential 40pt guy

f*** Nylander at that price
 
The only package for Nylander that is competitive has to contain a high pick, ELC forward and a defenseman. And TOR needs cap relief out of it to sign Marner and Matthews

So like a 1 or 2 pick, plus Kempe or Vilardi and Martinez or Muzzin.
 
In my opinion, Nylander would shrivel in the west.

Id rather trade Muzzin to the Leafs for Connor Brown plus a pick(s).

Are we still stuck on trading Voynov collectively as a fan base? I dont condone the actions but I think the rest of the league doesnt really care either. Nashville isnt looking to deal Watson and he's nowhere near as valuable as VV.
 
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KingPuckChoo said:
wow that's alot of GOOD for Nylander

Muzzin would be on Toronto's first pairing, we might be low on Muzz but Babcock definitely won't be - don't forget he had a ***** for Muzz Team Canada edition

Voynov is another top 4

and Akil Thomas is a potential 40pt guy

**** Nylander at that price
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Muzzin wouldn't be on TOR 1st pairing, he would be their 4th/5th line guy allowing them seeon Ozhipanov a bit, but Reilly, Hainsey, and Dermott, are all better than Muzzin right now....
 
Since we are all just armchair GM's, I'll take a stab -

I want a retool, not a rebuild.
I dont think our pipeline is very deep at all, regardless of the progression group in regards to any of our prospects.
I would prioritize getting another 1 or 2 firsts from this year.

Players I wouldnt mind seeing the Kings pursue this year, in an attempt to retool would be:

Ristolainen, Zibenajad, Huberdeau to name a few.

May seem off the wall to many, but I think positioning ourselves with some quality players NOW, can bode well for the next few years of AK, DD and hopefully JQ still in their primes.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Muzzin wouldn't be on TOR 1st pairing, he would be their 4th/5th line guy allowing them seeon Ozhipanov a bit, but Reilly, Hainsey, and Dermott, are all better than Muzzin right now....
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huh? so by your logic Pietralangelo & Doughty wouldn't be on TO's top line either

because they are NOT ALL THAT HOT RIGHT NOW

Muzzin's pedigree is above all those guys you mentioned, and Babcock will test Muzzin FROM THE GET GO, on TO's top pairing and adjustments will come accordingly
 
I doubt Voynov will play for the Kings (I hope he does) with management not wanting him in the off-season. But I'd trade the elders for picks.

Out goes: Carter, Phanuef, Martinez, Brown, Lewis, Clifford, Thompson, Pearson.

For next year:

XXX--Kopitar--Kovy
Kempe--XXX--Toffoli
Iafallo--Amadio--Brodzinski
Wagner--JAD--Rempal

Brickley--Doughty
Muzzin--Voynov
Forbort--LaDue

Get Nylander (Trade) and Panarin (UFA). Also look into Burakovsky for cheap replacement if trading Toffoli
 
KingPuckChoo said:
wow that's alot of GOOD for Nylander

Muzzin would be on Toronto's first pairing, we might be low on Muzz but Babcock definitely won't be - don't forget he had a ***** for Muzz Team Canada edition

Voynov is another top 4

and Akil Thomas is a potential 40pt guy

**** Nylander at that price
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Actually, Toronto would turn it down. Muzzin has regressed the last 2+ years and turns 30 in February. The last time I saw Voynov here in Colorado, he was LA's worst D that night...
and has not played here in a few years and actually probably worse...and Thomas fell to the mid-late second round, because of his lack of physical strength...he's prgressing well, however.

But how many current NHL players 22 or under, have amassed 2 60+ point NHL seasons? Probably less than 8 or so. Some of Nylanders numbers are better than Matthews or Marners
the last 2 years.
 
KingPuckChoo said:
huh? so by your logic Pietralangelo & Doughty wouldn't be on TO's top line either

because they are NOT ALL THAT HOT RIGHT NOW

Muzzin's pedigree is above all those guys you mentioned, and Babcock will test Muzzin FROM THE GET GO, on TO's top pairing and adjustments will come accordingly
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??? What are you going on about, are you seriously comparing Muzzin to Doughty or Pieterangelo?

I am telling you flat out, Reilly, Dermott and Hainsey are better than Muzzin, he won't displace any of them, and he would have a hard time displacing Gardiner.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
Actually, Toronto would turn it down. Muzzin has regressed the last 2+ years and turns 30 in February. The last time I saw Voynov here in Colorado, he was LA's worst D that night...
and has not played here in a few years and actually probably worse...and Thomas fell to the mid-late second round, because of his lack of physical strength...he's prgressing well, however.

But how many current NHL players 22 or under, have amassed 2 60+ point NHL seasons? Probably less than 8 or so. Some of Nylanders numbers are better than Matthews or Marners
the last 2 years.
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Nylander's numbers are BECAUSE of Marner and Matthews, more Matthews than Marner. Not to say Nylander isn't good..he is...but he's 4th right now in terms of who TOR is looking for to score, if he was playing, Matthews and Marner are #1-#2, and then Tavares, and the reason they want Nylander at a reasonable number, is Marners, Matthews, if Nylander gets 9 million, then Marner and Matthews will both be over 11 possibly over 12 etc, so thats why they are playing hardball right now trying to get a number that will let them fit all 4.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
I doubt Voynov will play for the Kings (I hope he does) with management not wanting him in the off-season. But I'd trade the elders for picks.

Out goes: Carter, Phanuef, Martinez, Brown, Lewis, Clifford, Thompson, Pearson.

For next year:

XXX--Kopitar--Kovy
Kempe--XXX--Toffoli
Iafallo--Amadio--Brodzinski
Wagner--JAD--Rempal

Brickley--Doughty
Muzzin--Voynov
Forbort--LaDue

Get Nylander (Trade) and Panarin (UFA). Also look into Burakovsky for cheap replacement if trading Toffoli
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How exactly are you going to get Nylander in a trade. The Kings had one asset that would have landed a young player or two from Toronto. His name was Drew Doughty and they just gave him a contract with a NMC. The Kings have nothing else Toronto needs.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
Actually, Toronto would turn it down. Muzzin has regressed the last 2+ years and turns 30 in February. The last time I saw Voynov here in Colorado, he was LA's worst D that night...
and has not played here in a few years and actually probably worse...and Thomas fell to the mid-late second round, because of his lack of physical strength...he's prgressing well, however.

But how many current NHL players 22 or under, have amassed 2 60+ point NHL seasons? Probably less than 8 or so. Some of Nylanders numbers are better than Matthews or Marners
the last 2 years.
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i said that's alot of GOOD
doesn't mean that there aren't any idiot GMs out there
so let them turn it down, i have no issue with this
but i wouldn't give those three pieces for Nylander
if you want, it's ok too
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
??? What are you going on about, are you seriously comparing Muzzin to Doughty or Pieterangelo?

I am telling you flat out, Reilly, Dermott and Hainsey are better than Muzzin, he won't displace any of them, and he would have a hard time displacing Gardiner.
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i am not comparing anything

you're argument was that Muzzin hasn't justified first pairing minutes this season
i am saying that i haven't seen a single LA Defenseman worthy of first pairing minutes

so if that is your basis for your argument, it's flawed
find something better

from top (Doughty) down (Fantenberg) and everything in between, no one did
your argument is a fallacy that's all
work harder and i'll approve your argument
 
KingPuckChoo said:
i am not comparing anything

you're argument was that Muzzin hasn't justified first pairing minutes this season
i am saying that i haven't seen a single LA Defenseman worthy of first pairing minutes

so if that is your basis for your argument, it's flawed
find something better

from top (Doughty) down (Fantenberg) and everything in between, no one did
your argument is a fallacy that's all
work harder and i'll approve your argument
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No, my argument is that Muzzin isn't good enough to displace anyone off of Toronto's first pairing,

You said Muzzin would be on TOR 1st pairing D, and I am telling you not a snowballs chance in hell would that happen.
 
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