You have no idea who is going to get what out of it, no one does, they haven't negotiated it yet. You're just another one who doesn't like the concept of profit sharing because it actually makes sense and you see it as a threat.
KHL and the World Cup (Mod warning post 355)
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You have no idea who is going to get what out of it, no one does, they haven't negotiated it yet. You're just another one who doesn't like the concept of profit sharing because it actually makes sense and you see it as a threat.
Olympics isn't about money.
I don't think there are many people who would agree with you there. The Olympics are a lot about money and have been for a long, long time.
Again if one of the parties asks for too much then they just won't have a WCup and we've probably seen the last of best on best hockey for a while, which is okay. It's not like there is really anything left for my team to prove.
Jussi
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Oh for crying out loud, did you already forgot what we were talking about? Money for the players which they're not getting from the Olympics ergo Olympics isn't about money. You could have read the previous posts as well where it was already covered.
Your claim that the NHLPA, which represents not only NA NHLers, but NHLers from all hockey nations, would refuse to share any of the profits with the other participants in the tournament, when they are willing to play in the OG for absolutely free, is just so ridiculous I just don't think there is any more that can be said.
Jussi
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You just don't get it do you....Neither the NHL nor the NHLPA have not shared the revenue from previous World Cups, when adding in their behaviors in the lock-out of the past 20 years, nothing indicates they would be willing to share revenue with outsiders.
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SanDogBrewin
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European unions are Ok but the NHLPA is evil
All the blame should be on the NHL and no one else is what I have gathered through out the WHC and World Cup threads. Oh and it is not Ok for teams overseas to come over to NA every 4 years for the World but Ok for North American teams to travel every year for the WHC.You right there isn't anything more to say.
Jussi
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European unions are Ok but the NHLPA is evil
You right there isn't anything more to say.
You do realize that with the Worlds, there's always the option of applying to host the tournament "yourself" in NA? That is not the case with the World Cup, NHL dictates where it's hosted(and it won't be in Europe). That's quite a big difference.
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There are a few differences though. Part of the reason that the NHL is involved in the Olympics is that the players pushed for it. To the best of my knowledge there has been no player push for the World Cup. Also, the World Cup is organized by the NHL, and thus they incur the costs associated with it, which I would imagine increases their focus on profiting from the event.
At this point no one here can say definitively what the NHL will do, and any guesses are questionable given how limited the information about the tournament has been. I would hope that the NHL is planning to share potential revenues proportionately with other leagues, but I honestly have no idea if they do.
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Aren't there reports in Finland today that Helsinki, Stockholm and Prague are in the running to host the 2020 World Cup? And least it has been reported on Russian websites.
Why don't you wait until the decisions about the World Cup, its format and future World Cups are made before jumping to conclusions.
The problem with far-off offers of future World Cups, if they are in fact real, is that they have a proven track record of never materializing. In the original plan for the World Cup, they were supposed to occur every 4 years, but of course those plans fell through. There is also a real basis for skepticism when you consider that a North American sponsored event, if held in a place like Helsinki, would have a 7-hour time difference for viewing audiences back in North America. I assume the revenue losses associated with early morning or midday broadcast times would be a big negative disincentive for ever holding the games in Europe.
Neither the NHL nor the NHLPA have not shared the revenue from previous World Cups, when adding in their behaviors in the lock-out of the past 20 years, nothing indicates they would be willing to share revenue with outsiders.
Ah yes, the evil NHL and NHLPA....
Believe what you will and time will tell, but haven't you learned by now that I am usually right.
Jussi
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I'm sure the NHL and PA realize that they would have to share some of the profits or pay an appearance fee this time around since many teams would need more players from Euro clubs. The biggest hitch I see is the same problem the Beatles had. Is it okay to give less money to Ringo?
For example if you invite 8 teams, do you give the 8th team as much as say Russia? Do you pay per player? Obviously some Euro based players make much more than others, and have the star quality to generate more revenue for the tournament. All things that can certainly be worked out, but the devil is in the details.
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Burke the Legend
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I don't like the single city host. One of the best things about breaking out of the IOC/IIHF is you aren't restricted by this concept and can thus make it an international hockey festival. As many games as possible should be hosted locally. Maybe the NHL wants to keep it simple for the 1st WC, and guarantee solid revenues from Canadians filling the arenas and bringing TV ratings, but they should be looking to expand hosting for the next one.
Frankly, if the NHL really wanted to think outside the box, freshen it up with a novel concept, I think they should make it like the Davis Cup where it's a multi-year tournament, and teams play a best of 7 series to advance.
the facts about something that hasn't happened yet.
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Neither the NHL nor the NHLPA have not shared the revenue from previous World Cups, when adding in their behaviors in the lock-out of the past 20 years, nothing indicates they would be willing to share revenue with outsiders.
Again, I'd be pretty surprised if the NHL gets Euro players without sharing any of the pie. They do need them after all since only 3 teams can really have a roster with none. If the Euro Leagues/KHL agree to go for free, it's their own fault for being bad negotiators.
Jussi
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the facts about something that hasn't happened yet.
Acknowledging the facts about past and present behavior.
I like the one city host format because I think it creates more buzz that way and cities enjoy the opportunity to play host. Ideally for me I would like to see the a best on best tournament played every four years, and the host city alternating between Europe and NA each time. Obviously that means you can't use the Olympics since they don't alternate sites in that format.
you hang onto your view of the past and those of us with foresight can look to the future.
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1Gold Standard
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http://www.iltasanomat.fi/jaakiekko/art-1288700112619.html?pos=ok-trm-jkie
I'm not saying those reports are accurate...but let's just see what exactly the NHL has planned and what they are able to do.
If a game starts at 7 pm in Helsinki, what time will it be broadcast live for the fans back in British Columbia? Won't that greatly diminish NHL access to advertising money?
I'll never figure out why some North American fans would rather hand their dollars to the NHL instead of the IIHF. One pockets the cash, while throwing a few bones to local rinks to keep face, the other runs hockey tournaments all over the globe growing the game.
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9 in the a.m.
The last thing the NHL needs to worry about is Canadian fan interest, TV broadcast revenue, corporate sponsorship or advertising dollars generated in Canada. If the NHL sees the World Cup as a means to grow the NHL brand in Europe, then that's what they'll do.
