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KHL and the World Cup (Mod warning post 355)

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Jussi said:
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I have been to Malaysia and of course Thailand is right next door, massively popular spot for Northern Europeans to holiday. I can't think of a more utter waste of money in terms of hockey development and I've got to wonder how many iihf staff and their families got a free trip out of this one.
 
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Jussi said:
You do realize that with the Worlds, there's always the option of applying to host the tournament "yourself" in NA? That is not the case with the World Cup, NHL dictates where it's hosted(and it won't be in Europe). That's quite a big difference.
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More revelations (but I won't stoop to the facepalm). The NHL playoffs are going on during the WHC and I've already heard "that's your" or "that's the NHLs problem". The only games the European teams would have to play in NA would be the semis and finals (How terrible!). Much different than play every year overseas for North American teams.

You want the IIHF to have all the governing of all international hockey but it isn't going to happen with the World Cup. You feel threatened that the WC could be a "best on best" tournament, that the IIHF won't be involved. You have a double standard and don't know the difference because you are too busy bashing the NHL.
 
Mr Kanadensisk said:
By the iihfs own numbers 70% of the worlds hockey players are in North America, what further proof do you need?
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Growing the game does not equate to getting more players from existing hockey countries, where the NHL does not really do anything for development that isn't already done at club level or by national federations but rather by how many new registered players outside the top countries are created. If you're really trying to make up a new definition to established meanings of words/terms, then they really would love you at RT.
 
Zine said:
And who would fund such a tournament if not the IIHF? The individual players?...right.

Like Jussi's videos illustrate, IIHF money keeps hockey afloat in many of these places.
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If you actually read what was being discussed, it wasn't about "funding," it was about actual hands on, IIHF boots on the ground at an organizational level, pulling off all these tournaments months in advance because the locals in said country, i.e. Luxembourg are too inept to pull it off. And I'm arguing, the IIHF does nothing, besides funding, on an organizational level for these tournaments.
 
Everyone please cut down on the childish bickering.

This is the last warning, if more posts need to be deleted, infractions will be given.
 
Jussi said:
Growing the game does not equate to getting more players from existing hockey countries, where the NHL does not really do anything for development that isn't already done at club level or by national federations but rather by how many new registered players outside the top countries are created. If you're really trying to make up a new definition to established meanings of words/terms, then they really would love you at RT.
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Growing the game means getting more people playing or watching no matter where they are from, and doing it wisely means spending the money where it is most likely to work.
 
Rekin said:
How is this possible at all? To have any serious international tournament you need the national federations, that's how hockey works in Europe.
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The national federations have always been involved in Canada/World Cups.
 
Jussi said:
Considering the 2020 summer Olympics are in Tokyo and take place between 24 July – 9 August, meaning there would be a bigger gap between them and a World Cup, it would be easier to get the NA media's attention in 2020 than in 2016. Also with a European opening, it could be easier to get the Russians/KHL on board.
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Well said!
 
Mr Kanadensisk said:
I have been to Malaysia and of course Thailand is right next door, massively popular spot for Northern Europeans to holiday. I can't think of a more utter waste of money in terms of hockey development and I've got to wonder how many iihf staff and their families got a free trip out of this one.
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So what is a better way to grow hockey than int. tourney? And what exactly is wrong with some program in Thailand?

I can not really find out your attitude from some of your posts......
 
Rekin said:
How is this possible at all? To have any serious international tournament you need the national federations, that's how hockey works in Europe.
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Really, it doesn't count if the the proper bureaucrats don't sanction it?

And here I thought you just needed the best players & coaches to have a proper best on best tournament.
 
Burke the Legend said:
Really, it doesn't count if the the proper bureaucrats don't sanction it?

And here I thought you just needed the best players & coaches to have a proper best on best tournament.
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Where do you get the best players & coaches from if the respective federations don't play ball? It's much more about practical matters than about official sanctioning.
 
Theokritos said:
Supports his point, doesn't it? No best-on-best without the IIHF involved.
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It doesn't support his point at all. Canada/World Cup tournaments managed to be best on best tournaments without the IIHF. If the best players show up and play hockey, it is a best on best tournament. The IIHF even referred to the Canada Cup as best on best.

Rekin said:
Where do you get the best players & coaches from if the respective federations don't play ball? It's much more about practical matters than about official sanctioning.
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They always have in the past... which is why the best players and coaches generally participated.
 
No matter what, the actual Olympic tourneys will forever be the best representation of the international potential of the sport. Best players playing at their peak. The World Cup and WHC both have different problems that will never allow me to put them on the pedestal, which is why I won't go out of my way to watch either of them.

None of us get a cut from any of the tourneys, we re simply fans, so I really don't understand why so many seem to accept the NHL wanting the Olympics gone for a worse product..
 
Rekin said:
Where do you get the best players & coaches from if the respective federations don't play ball? It's much more about practical matters than about official sanctioning.
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The federations don't own the players...

As I understand it, in some Euro countries the federations have more say in the operation of the domestic leagues, but it would be quite something for them to try to veto participation in Toronto 2016 for the sake of the IIHF, especially if the players and club owners want to go.
 
Rekin said:
How is this possible at all? To have any serious international tournament you need the national federations, that's how hockey works in Europe.
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You need support from North American countries as well. IIHF has done a great job especially with that "kids tournament". I love the WHJC and think it's getting more viewers every year in the States.

It has to be IIHF, KHL and NHL, plus whom ever else it needs to make the World Cup happen, it's fine by me. I don't care who sits at the head of the table. Some on this thread have a problem with whom is at the head of the table. The WHC doesn't happen without the cooperation of the NHL as well.
 
SanDogBrewin said:
You need support from North American countries as well. IIHF has done a great job especially with that "kids tournament". I love the WHJC and think it's getting more viewers every year in the States.

It has to be IIHF, KHL and NHL, plus whom ever else it needs to make the World Cup happen, it's fine by me. I don't care who sits at the head of the table. Some on this thread have a problem with whom is at the head of the table. The WHC doesn't happen without the cooperation of the NHL as well.
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I don't care who's at the head of the World Cup either, as long as you've got an equal number of biased refs per country.
 
SanDogBrewin said:
You need support from North American countries as well. IIHF has done a great job especially with that "kids tournament". I love the WHJC and think it's getting more viewers every year in the States.

It has to be IIHF, KHL and NHL, plus whom ever else it needs to make the World Cup happen, it's fine by me. I don't care who sits at the head of the table. Some on this thread have a problem with whom is at the head of the table. The WHC doesn't happen without the cooperation of the NHL as well.
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It is important. Maybe it seems to you just as a one tourney organized by private league. But imagine if other leagues start doing the same.... It would be disaster for int. hockey because leagues would hardly find any agreement. They would realize soon that they need overall entity like IIHF is....

More I more I am thinking about I think that just regular olympics with NHLers mean stronger IIHF - and this is what NHL does not want...that is why we will have world cup again. Just to make IIHF or int. hockey weaker and make NHL dominant power of the hockey....
 
Burke the Legend said:
The federations don't own the players...

As I understand it, in some Euro countries the federations have more say in the operation of the domestic leagues, but it would be quite something for them to try to veto participation in Toronto 2016 for the sake of the IIHF, especially if the players and club owners want to go.
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Well Zucc got banned from the Norwegian national team because he was sponsored by a Foreign betting Company. So the federations decide and they do whatever it takes to protect their interests. Thats why u have Foreign player limits in the KHL and the fact that so many russian players play the whc.
 
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