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KHL and the World Cup (Mod warning post 355)

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Yakushev72 said:
If a game starts at 7 pm in Helsinki, what time will it be broadcast live for the fans back in British Columbia? Won't that greatly diminish NHL access to advertising money?
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the popularity of the world juniors seems to have survived okay in BC.
 
Xokkeu said:
I'll never figure out why some North American fans would rather hand their dollars to the NHL instead of the IIHF. One pockets the cash, while throwing a few bones to local rinks to keep face, the other runs hockey tournaments all over the globe growing the game.
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I don't get this either.
 
Jussi said:
How money international hockey tournaments outside the top division do they arrange annually?
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Does the IIHF actually do any hands on organizing? Other than giving their sanction to such and such a tournament and their official seal of approval, it seems to me that all tournaments are organized by the host federation with local organizing committees. That's the way it is in the elite division and I assume it's pretty much the same process in the lower tier divisions. I don't think too many IIHF people spent any significant time in Luxembourg feverishly working to pull off the Div.3 championship. They may have to write a chq. to cover the cost of the tournament, but that's about all they did.
 
Mr Writer said:
9 in the a.m.

The last thing the NHL needs to worry about is Canadian fan interest, TV broadcast revenue, corporate sponsorship or advertising dollars generated in Canada. If the NHL sees the World Cup as a means to grow the NHL brand in Europe, then that's what they'll do.
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But would they rather have games broadcast in prime time or not? Now you're differentiating between diehard fans and the general viewing public. Forget Canada for a moment, how about the US? When you think about it, you'll realize that the NHL makes a lot more money, and hits their target markets (why in the World would they care about European markets?) much better if they play in Canada or the US. Which is why I believe that this tournament will never play in Europe.
 
Mr Writer said:
Does the IIHF actually do any hands on organizing? Other than giving their sanction to such and such a tournament and their official seal of approval, it seems to me that all tournaments are organized by the host federation with local organizing committees. That's the way it is in the elite division and I assume it's pretty much the same process in the lower tier divisions. I don't think too many IIHF people spent any significant time in Luxembourg feverishly working to pull off the Div.3 championship. They may have to write a chq. to cover the cost of the tournament, but that's about all they did.
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Yes. They organize and fund all the tournaments in lower divisions that don't make profit. It was mentioned in some thread that this year (or last) they had 28 tournaments worldwide.
 
Jussi said:
Yes. They organize and fund all the tournaments in lower divisions that don't make profit. It was mentioned in some thread that this year (or last) they had 28 tournaments worldwide.
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So you're telling me that in Luxembourg, where they do play organized hockey on some level, have a league and everything that goes along with it, in addition to locals who work or are involved in the game on some capacity, can't pull off a series of games between countries such as Hong Kong, Bulgaria, UAE etc... without IIHF boots on the ground to guide and help them through it, months in advance? Ya, I find it hard to believe that the IIHF is really that hands on involved to that level in any of these tournaments.
 
Yakushev72 said:
But would they rather have games broadcast in prime time or not? Now you're differentiating between diehard fans and the general viewing public. Forget Canada for a moment, how about the US? When you think about it, you'll realize that the NHL makes a lot more money, and hits their target markets (why in the World would they care about European markets?) much better if they play in Canada or the US. Which is why I believe that this tournament will never play in Europe.
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The fans in the us who are going to watch in September are going to watch at whatever time it's on. It's only going to be hardcore fans. The rest are going to be watching espn for nfl injury updates.
 
Mr Writer said:
So you're telling me that in Luxembourg, where they do play organized hockey on some level, have a league and everything that goes along with it, in addition to locals who work or are involved in the game on some capacity, can't pull off a series of games between countries such as Hong Kong, Bulgaria, UAE etc... without IIHF boots on the ground to guide and help them through it, months in advance? Ya, I find it hard to believe that the IIHF is really that hands on involved to that level in any of these tournaments.
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Mr Writer said:
So you're telling me that in Luxembourg, where they do play organized hockey on some level, have a league and everything that goes along with it, in addition to locals who work or are involved in the game on some capacity, can't pull off a series of games between countries such as Hong Kong, Bulgaria, UAE etc... without IIHF boots on the ground to guide and help them through it, months in advance? Ya, I find it hard to believe that the IIHF is really that hands on involved to that level in any of these tournaments.
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And who would fund such a tournament if not the IIHF? The individual players?...right.

Like Jussi's videos illustrate, IIHF money keeps hockey afloat in many of these places.
 
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Xokkeu said:
The fans in the us who are going to watch in September are going to watch at whatever time it's on. It's only going to be hardcore fans. The rest are going to be watching espn for nfl injury updates.
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And even among that group, the only games that they will watch are the ones involving Canada or the US. Even the hardcore fan isn't necessarily interested in international play. My only point is there is no way the World Cup will ever be played in Europe. It would take much more effort, and likely yield a smaller profit. But to show good faith, the NHL should offer to have the 2016 tournament held in Finland or Sweden. Save 2020 for Toronto.
 
Thanks for the videos Jussi. You are correct. The IIHF does alot of good. I think they also are involved in the Continental cup?
 
Yakushev72 said:
And even among that group, the only games that they will watch are the ones involving Canada or the US. Even the hardcore fan isn't necessarily interested in international play. My only point is there is no way the World Cup will ever be played in Europe. It would take much more effort, and likely yield a smaller profit. But to show good faith, the NHL should offer to have the 2016 tournament held in Finland or Sweden. Save 2020 for Toronto.
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The World Cup needs a successful relaunch and Toronto is the guaranteed relaunch success site.
 
Yakushev72 said:
And even among that group, the only games that they will watch are the ones involving Canada or the US. Even the hardcore fan isn't necessarily interested in international play. My only point is there is no way the World Cup will ever be played in Europe. It would take much more effort, and likely yield a smaller profit. But to show good faith, the NHL should offer to have the 2016 tournament held in Finland or Sweden. Save 2020 for Toronto.
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Considering the 2020 summer Olympics are in Tokyo and take place between 24 July – 9 August, meaning there would be a bigger gap between them and a World Cup, it would be easier to get the NA media's attention in 2020 than in 2016. Also with a European opening, it could be easier to get the Russians/KHL on board.
 
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Xokkeu said:
No... USA Hockey has gotten more people to play hockey than the NHL. They are the ones who actually put their money on the ice.
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The vast, vast majority of hockey development money over here comes from the parents of kids playing. When they get older, at the higher levels, it is paid for by fans coming to watch the games and the amount of money kicked in by Hockey USA along the way is comparatively speaking extremely small. But you seem to be well aware of this, which is why your comments in this thread surprised me so much.

Xokkeu said:
Hockey is a sport for middle to upper class people. Many of the parents I play with in our beer leagues regularly spend 10-20,000$ a year on their kids to play hockey. Personally I think it's a huge waste of money but that's not for me to decide.
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It is the NHL which gives the most exposure and creates the most fans and then the parents who pay for the development (with a little bit kicked in from the NHL via USA Hockey).
 
Jussi said:
How money international hockey tournaments outside the top division do they arrange annually?
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None, but yet they have been way more effective in growing the game. One day I hope you come to the realization that there are other and better ways to go about things than nation based competition.
 
Yakushev72 said:
And even among that group, the only games that they will watch are the ones involving Canada or the US. Even the hardcore fan isn't necessarily interested in international play. My only point is there is no way the World Cup will ever be played in Europe. It would take much more effort, and likely yield a smaller profit. But to show good faith, the NHL should offer to have the 2016 tournament held in Finland or Sweden. Save 2020 for Toronto.
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I saw Russia and Slovakia play in the 2004 WCup in Toronto and if I'm not mistaken it was a sell out and the atmosphere was great in the ACC. It was Ovy's first game with the big boys over in NA.
 
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