Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Beef Invictus]

were you rather be the toronto maple leafs that havent made the finals since 1967 or not make the finals at all? you have no respect for these guys all because it doesnt lead to cup, we had 3 chances of winning cups and everything went to the fan because our best guys got injuried, emery 2010, markov 2004, lindros 2000, what you expect them to do to fix that? like what we would you have done to replace markov, lindros, and emery to to get us over the hump?

You're making shit up as usual.

I have no respect for these guys because they are such losers they have no hope of making a competitive team. Making the Finals? They'll be lucky to make the playoffs and when they do they'll be chewed up in short order.

The Flyers never won because Scumbag Clarke and his proteges are complete shit at building a full team, they almost always lack depth due to management and team building philosophies embraced by Clarke. Ways of thinking which still govern the team.

The Flyers are separated by the Leafs by a mere 8 years. What's the functional difference between 48 years and 56 years? None. They're both a lifetime ago. Generations ago. The Leafs are in a far better spot. The Flyers now are what the Leafs were a decade ago.

 

[deadhead]

There is nothing wrong with an organization that treats their players decently and develops a loyal alumni.
Just don't allow the alumni to run the asylum.

I don't know if Jones the President has the same attitude as Jones the announcer, I sure hope not!

 

[Beef Invictus]

There is nothing wrong with an organization that treats their players decently and develops a loyal alumni.
Just don't allow the alumni to run the asylum.

I don't know if Jones the President has the same attitude as Jones the announcer, I sure hope not!

They are running the asylum and largely have been since 1984.

He does have the same attitude. Just as Tortorella the announcer has the same attitude as Tortorella the coach.

 

[FlyerNutter]

They are running the asylum and largely have been since 1984.

He does have the same attitude. Just as Tortorella the announcer has the same attitude as Tortorella the coach.

Suckling off the teet of Snider’s fortune.

They are all arrogant, and lazy rats that didn’t have to work a real day to get to where they are just simply born in the right time, and played for the right org. A pathetic group of babied, and silver spoon gluttons.

It will be a merry day every day that they continue to be exposed. They feel it too. The propaganda to combat it is more on display.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Suckling off the teet of Snider’s fortune.

They are all arrogant, and lazy rats that didn’t have to work a real day to get to where they are just simply born in the right time, and played for the right org. A pathetic group of babied, and silver spoon gluttons.

It will be a merry day every day that they continue to be exposed. They feel it too. The propaganda to combat it is more on display.

Oh yeah they definitely know.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Oh yeah they definitely know.

It's kinda funny watching them squirm. (Maybe I'm a bit sadistic) Throw money at it! Is their go to move, even now. They don't even know they're irrelevant. Sad and funny all at once

 

[BernieParent]

I’d anyone needs to see more evidence of the disease that has infested this organization. You can bet your ass many others in Flyer hockey ops think this way.

They talk about the fact people bring up how the team is filled with former Flyers. f***ing rats.

I, for one, am very glad that the current roster will be learning how to lose the right way.

 

[VladDrag]

Now Verhaeghe, Forsling, Montour (3rd) were luck and skill, skill in that good players were obtained a low or no cost (Verhaeghe from TB, Forsling from Carolina, so it wasn't about fleecing some dumb GM), luck in that they outperformed reasonable expectations by a wide margin. Montour for example was a good move if he just improved by getting out of Buffalo, which he did his first season in FLA, but it's doubtful Zito expected his performance this season. Same with Verhaeghe, who showed enough in TB to project as a solid bottom six forward, but a 40+ goal scorer? Or Forsling as a first pair defenseman?

There was some luck involved, but you make your own luck by identifying the right type of player and trusting your professional scouts. They didn't try to go out and get shitty players. They identified internally where there was more juice to squeeze, In other words, they were able to determine that a few players had more to give.

Montour is a prime example. Last year, Montour did not play as much on the power play, and was typically deployed with the middle 6 talent. But he still put up great metrics in a secondary role. They decided to give him a bigger role this year, and it payed off. He played mostly with the top line this year, and played a bunch more power play time. Did they think he was going to be a 70+ point guy, probably not, but they probably had internal expectations of increased value. Granted, it's not always going to happen like that, but when you give yourself enough chances, eventually it works for you.

Similar situation with Verhaeghe. Verhaeghe ranked 48th in xGAR last season, but 299th in GAR (expected vs results). Needless to say, he was extremely snakebitten. There was always going to be a progression. Again, there's no panic by FLA, they understood what the most likely trend would be and allowed it play out.

Now Forsling is a unique, I'll give you that. He couldn't find his footing until spending a whole season in the AHL, but clearly their pro scouts saw something they liked in his game and gave him the opportunity. Again, they are targeting the right kind of players.

 

[Tripod]

There was some luck involved, but you make your own luck by identifying the right type of player and trusting your professional scouts. They didn't try to go out and get shitty players. They identified internally where there was more juice to squeeze, In other words, they were able to determine that a few players had more to give.

Montour is a prime example. Last year, Montour did not play as much on the power play, and was typically deployed with the middle 6 talent. But he still put up great metrics in a secondary role. They decided to give him a bigger role this year, and it payed off. He played mostly with the top line this year, and played a bunch more power play time. Did they think he was going to be a 70+ point guy, probably not, but they probably had internal expectations of increased value. Granted, it's not always going to happen like that, but when you give yourself enough chances, eventually it works for you.

Similar situation with Verhaeghe. Verhaeghe ranked 48th in xGAR last season, but 299th in GAR (expected vs results). Needless to say, he was extremely snakebitten. There was always going to be a progression. Again, there's no panic by FLA, they understood what the most likely trend would be and allowed it play out.

Now Forsling is a unique, I'll give you that. He couldn't find his footing until spending a whole season in the AHL, but clearly their pro scouts saw something they liked in his game and gave him the opportunity. Again, they are targeting the right kind of players.

You mean targeting Deslauries and Stewart were targeting the wrong guys? I am shocked.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Now Forsling is a unique, I'll give you that. He couldn't find his footing until spending a whole season in the AHL, but clearly their pro scouts saw something they liked in his game and gave him the opportunity. Again, they are targeting the right kind of players.

Florida tends to take chances on young(er) guys with extended track records.

Forsling was always a top player in his age group. Struggled with Chicago (possibly rushed?) and now he’s looking like the player he was expected to be. Home run. Montour. Long track record of (elite?) point production. Home run. Mahura wasn’t quite as productive as those two but he always flashed. Waivers and boom he becomes a regular for them. Double. They whiffed on Juolevi but that is a pretty good success rate just churning through the fodder.

There are players like this on waivers each year and it’s why I wanted to pull my hair out watching this team give NHL contracts to career minor leaguers and goons, claim fringey fourth liners, hit the contract max, and have no flexibility to take chances on these types. *cough*Tolvanen*cough*

 

[deadhead]

There are players like this on waivers each year and it’s why I wanted to pull my hair out watching this team give NHL contracts to career minor leaguers and goons, claim fringey fourth liners, hit the contract max, and have no flexibility to take chances on these types. *cough*Tolvanen*cough*

This goes back a decade, how many players did Holmgren and Hextall like this did find? Weal? Did take a shot at MDZ. Gagner. PEB. That's about it.
Which is why I think the immediate focus should be on pro scouting, they overvalue NHL veterans and struggle to find talent on the margin.

Tippett is exactly what they should be looking to add in trades, players with high level skills who're struggling to find their niche on a good team.
Bellows was the right idea, wrong player.
Seeler was a good move, low cost on the right side of 30 when they added him, v Connauton who was too old to have any upside.
Hodgson wasn't a bad gamble, but the kind of player you give a two way/one year deal and see if he's for real.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Florida tends to take chances on young(er) guys with extended track records.

Forsling was always a top player in his age group. Struggled with Chicago (possibly rushed?) and now he’s looking like the player he was expected to be. Home run. Montour. Long track record of (elite?) point production. Home run. Mahura wasn’t quite as productive as those two but he always flashed. Waivers and boom he becomes a regular for them. Double. They whiffed on Juolevi but that is a pretty good success rate just churning through the fodder.

There are players like this on waivers each year and it’s why I wanted to pull my hair out watching this team give NHL contracts to career minor leaguers and goons, claim fringey fourth liners, hit the contract max, and have no flexibility to take chances on these types. *cough*Tolvanen*cough*

Fletcher made only one mistake and even that isn't a mistake anymore

 

[Beef Invictus]

This goes back a decade, how many players did Holmgren and Hextall like this did find? Weal? Did take a shot at MDZ. Gagner. PEB. That's about it.
Which is why I think the immediate focus should be on pro scouting, they overvalue NHL veterans and struggle to find talent on the margin.

Tippett is exactly what they should be looking to add in trades, players with high level skills who're struggling to find their niche on a good team.
Bellows was the right idea, wrong player.
Seeler was a good move, low cost on the right side of 30 when they added him, v Connauton who was too old to have any upside.
Hodgson wasn't a bad gamble, but the kind of player you give a two way/one year deal and see if he's for real.

Read. Raffl. Bob.

Your memory is extremely selective.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Tippett is exactly what they should be looking to add in trades, players with high level skills who're struggling to find their niche on a good team.

I'd love to take a shot at Lafreniere. He fits that description perfectly, though I doubt the Rangers would deal him to us.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Derailing the talent deficit Convo into finding diamonds in the rough always makes me laugh.

They could do better in that department obvs, but it ignores the elephant in the room that they continue to refuse to commit to drafting high enough.

Winning with a bunch of try hards, and secondary pieces. Nobody buys the BS anymore.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I for one am looking forward to the new error of orange

 

[Beef Invictus]

Derailing the talent deficit Convo into finding diamonds in the rough always makes me laugh.

They could do better in that department obvs, but it ignores the elephant in the room that they continue to refuse to commit to drafting high enough.

Winning with a bunch of try hards, and secondary pieces. Nobody buys the BS anymore.

And it's way harder to find those talents and get the most out of them when your organizational philosophy is to try and make everything into a grinder.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Collaboration means Advisors. That's what they called the new model put in place after Hextall cut them out. Nothing is different. Nothing will be different until they are all dead or imprisoned.

 

[Rebels57]

Collaboration means Advisors. That's what they called the new model put in place after Hextall cut them out. Nothing is different. Nothing will be different until they are all dead or imprisoned.

It's quite literally the exact same modus operandi but with Hilferty replacing Scott and Briere/Jones replacing Fletcher. Why are they packaging this as some fresh revolutionary approach? This is sad lol.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's quite literally the exact same modus operandi but with Hilferty replacing Scott and Briere/Jones replacing Fletcher. Why are they packaging this as some fresh revolutionary approach? This is sad lol.

Nobody involved wants to change anything. So a PR blitz to pretend it's different is their solution.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Collaboration means Advisors. That's what they called the new model put in place after Hextall cut them out. Nothing is different. Nothing will be different until they are all dead or imprisoned.

In the video Hilferty is referring to Tortorella and Briere collaborating together.

"Again working in collaboration with Coach Torts about potential trades and about potential draft picks."

He then follows that up with:

"What we're about now is we're going to take a deliberate approach to build this team the right way."

Whatever the f*** that means. They don't know what the "right" way is.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Collaboration means Advisors. That's what they called the new model put in place after Hextall cut them out. Nothing is different. Nothing will be different until they are all dead or imprisoned.

It was collaboration among the five that were on the stage for their big event...Hilferty, Camillo, Briere, Jones, and Torts. Anything beyond that is more of your baseless paranoia.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It was collaboration among the five that were on the stage for their big event...Hilferty, Camillo, Briere, Jones, and Torts. Anything beyond that is more of your baseless paranoia.

I'm old enough to remember that we were told the Advisors were sitting on the beach somewhere sipping Mai Tai's and yet here we are.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

I'm old enough to remember that we were told the Advisors were sitting on the beach somewhere sipping Mai Tai's and yet here we are.

As am I. They are gone.