Hollywood Cannon
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Then you should recognize that they're not actually gone.
Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM
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To me, it just further cements the fact that Torts will be here after he's done coaching. His position with the Flyers is bullet-proof at the moment.
Columbus Hockey Dad
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They are Emeriti....celebrated, beloved, mentioned with fondness, but not in any way advising anything.
They are "gone", yet their values seemingly remain.
Hollywood Cannon
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Feel free to believe that. You've already been fooled once.
Beef Invictus
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My "baseless paranoia" that has consistently been correct for ten years now rofl
Seems pretty based to me
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We shall see. I will keep saying the same thing...we have to just wait until the summer and then we will get a great idea where we are headed.
Beef Invictus
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The way this always ends is with someone confirming Clarke is still involved. It's a 100% rate.
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You can repeat this all you want, and you certainly do. Still doesn't make it true...
Beef Invictus
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I've heard that many times in the past decade. It's ended up being true, always.
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Doesn’t make it not true either.
Beef Invictus
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I am waiting for the team to firmly prove that their influence is dead and deservedly unwanted. Fire them all, clear out all their people.
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Saying that your new GM is taking a "deliberate approach to building the right way" means nothing. It's tantamount to saying "Things will be better because we are going to try to be better."
It bears repeating: Hilferty and Camillo's genius communications overhaul is literally just the same exact cliches that anyone could have written.
It's not even that cliches are an issue. I don't expect any substance from minute long promo videos. Just don't lie to me and say that the communications are overhauled.
It bears repeating: Hilferty and Camillo's genius communications overhaul is literally just the same exact cliches that anyone could have written.
It's not even that cliches are an issue. I don't expect any substance from minute long promo videos. Just don't lie to me and say that the communications are overhauled.
Hollywood Cannon
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That's what they actually believe though. They think that they're owed things and because things were bad before means that they can only get better.
They're going to continue to piss on our heads and tell us it's raining.
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"What we're about now is we're going to take a deliberate approach to build this team the right way."
Whatever the f*** that means. They don't know what the "right" way is.
They're contrasting what they're trying to do with the "aggressive reload," "we'll always be competitive" etc. messages of the previous couple decades.
That is, they're not going to be fooled by a good season into trying to make a playoff run with TDL trades.
Nor are they going to be aggressive in free agency for a few years, trying to buy a turnaround.
Hollywood Cannon
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Why you willingly believe what this organizations says despite what they have shown over the years is beyond me.
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"They" aren't running the show, the last two decades were dominated by Clarke/Holmgren with assistance from Lombardi and Barber.
Haven't heard anything from or about them for months.
They both hated the idea of a rebuild, both were fired (Clarke as GM, Holmgren as HC) last time the Flyers rebuilt.
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I don't really look at it that way. I see it more just as repeating the obvious.
Breaking news: Rebuilding team with new Governor and President thinks their new GM is going is going to do things different and set the team up for success.
Which again, as a cliche is perfectly acceptable. The issue is that we just hired a President on the pretenses that he is supposed to be a communications wizard and liaison between the GM and Governor, and yet we are getting the same exact cliche messaging that any random poster on HFBoards could throw together.
Hollywood Cannon
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You never heard from them before. Clarke popped up once for a podcast in recent memory and yet it's been reported they had their fingers deep into the organization.
You went on and on about how Dave Scott disappeared despite the fact that he NEVER got in front of the camera except for the time that Roberts made him and he talked about Gerry Mayhew. It doesn't mean anything that we don't see these people talking.
As Beef has said many times. We KNOW the kind of person that Bob Clarke is. If he was to actually be removed from any place of power he'd go down kicking and screaming. He would take everyone with him.
Just like Fletcher, the people that are hired think just like Clarke and Company. He's everywhere in the organization. There is no part where his fingerprints aren't on this. Tortorella is the Crony's
pièce de résistance no matter how many times that you claim he's this forward thinker.
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They should have kept Shjon Podein...
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Can’t get rid of the spiritual leader, or whatever they called him
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Keith Jones is the younger version of Holmgren, Lombardi, etc. His opinions match up, he pines for the Old Ways. Does it matter if the advisors aren’t as heavily involved if they have a successor even more heavily involved?
As for Tortorella having trade and draft input……run for cover. I’ve never once heard of an NHL coach having any say on the draft. Their shelf life is usually too short to even coach these players in 2-4 years, they don’t spend their season watching these players, and they’re too short-term results oriented. This power grab by Tortorella, his sweater vests filling a vacuum, will be taught in history classes.
As for Tortorella having trade and draft input……run for cover. I’ve never once heard of an NHL coach having any say on the draft. Their shelf life is usually too short to even coach these players in 2-4 years, they don’t spend their season watching these players, and they’re too short-term results oriented. This power grab by Tortorella, his sweater vests filling a vacuum, will be taught in history classes.
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