Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Beef Invictus]

What "old bois club"?
Have you heard ANYTHING from or about Clarke, Barber, Holmgren or Lombardi the past two months?

It's Briere with final authority, advised by Torts and Jones.
For better or worse, that's the group that will run the rebuild.

My suspicion is Briere will have 3 years to show progress, not necessarily make the playoffs, but build a young, exciting team that is on the verge of contention. If the Flyers aren't a promising young team going into the 2026-27 season, there will be changes.

We'll have a good idea of their direction by July, who they trade, what they obtain in those trades, the moves made on the margin (low cost FAs, waiver wire pickups, SFAs, etc.).

Right now, they have a 1st, (2) 3rds, (2) 4ths in this draft, (2) 1sts, 2nd (JOB), 3rd, 4th in the 2024 draft.
We'll see how many picks Briere gets before the draft in trades.

Yes. Hilferty has painstakingly mentioned and praised them at every opportunity he gets.

What universe do you exist in?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I didn't see it that way at all. Boucher got them into the playoffs and played lights out against the Devils. Then he got hurt in the Boston series and Leighton played decent but more importantly that team just outscored Boston when it mattered. The montreal series was a defensive masterpiece, I think the Habs had like 5 high danger chances total the entire series or at least it felt that way but to Leightons credit he made the saves he should make. Then against a better offensive team in Chicago, he became a sieve. If Boucher stayed healthy, he probably puts up better numbers than Leighton and they may win the cup.

22 goals scored in the final and it still wasn’t good enough. Still ticks me off.

 

[Curufinwe]

I'm not "dragging Zito down."
He made some very good moves, but also some bad moves, and got extremely lucky this post-season.

He's 5th best in the league over 3 years. Quit crying about luck, it's embarrassing.

 

[deadhead]

I am not dragging him down, I am just saying that it is extremely lucky to build a Presidents Trophy team last year and crushing playoffs this year, including kicking out record breaking Bruins.

But I also somehow maintain at the same time that everyone "the hive complained about" was very unlucky and when they had some form of success elsewhere, it was definitely not luck.

It's interesting that teams that won the Presidents trophy the last two years didn't show that much in the playoffs.
Maybe teams built to excel in the regular season and the playoffs differ somewhat?

Lyon having a 9-4-2, .912 Sv% stretch to get them into the playoffs, Bob playing out of his gourd after a below average (.901 Sv%) regular season, yes, that's luck - luck being outcomes that you neither planned for, created or could reasonably expect.

Now Verhaeghe, Forsling, Montour (3rd) were luck and skill, skill in that good players were obtained a low or no cost (Verhaeghe from TB, Forsling from Carolina, so it wasn't about fleecing some dumb GM), luck in that they outperformed reasonable expectations by a wide margin. Montour for example was a good move if he just improved by getting out of Buffalo, which he did his first season in FLA, but it's doubtful Zito expected his performance this season. Same with Verhaeghe, who showed enough in TB to project as a solid bottom six forward, but a 40+ goal scorer? Or Forsling as a first pair defenseman?

 

[Curufinwe]

Someone overdosed on copium today.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Yes. Hilferty has painstakingly mentioned and praised them at every opportunity he gets.

What universe do you exist in?

I think you're a little paranoid, but I get why since they have been stuck to the organization like skin tags. Clarke, Barber, Holmgren, etc..are basically like emeritus former staff. You don't want to publicly humiliate them, you want to praise them...but they don't have any actual role and they are not seriously listened to.

 

[trostol]

lets just say Clarke, Homer and that other guy aren't pulling the strings..for argument's sake...thing here is..its still an old boys club with just new faces ..wanna know why..because its the same MO still..hire former Flyers who have a certain mentality

 

[kudymen]

It's interesting that teams that won the Presidents trophy the last two years didn't show that much in the playoffs.
Maybe teams built to excel in the regular season and the playoffs differ somewhat?

Lyon having a 9-4-2, .912 Sv% stretch to get them into the playoffs, Bob playing out of his gourd after a below average (.901 Sv%) regular season, yes, that's luck - luck being outcomes that you neither planned for, created or could reasonably expect.

Now Verhaeghe, Forsling, Montour (3rd) were luck and skill, skill in that good players were obtained a low or no cost (Verhaeghe from TB, Forsling from Carolina, so it wasn't about fleecing some dumb GM), luck in that they outperformed reasonable expectations by a wide margin. Montour for example was a good move if he just improved by getting out of Buffalo, which he did his first season in FLA, but it's doubtful Zito expected his performance this season. Same with Verhaeghe, who showed enough in TB to project as a solid bottom six forward, but a 40+ goal scorer? Or Forsling as a first pair defenseman?

Yeah yeah yeah. Be honest, was it you who sent the Flyers a letter suggesting they should push the 5th most improved team message?

 

[deadhead]

lets just say Clarke, Homer and that other guy aren't pulling the strings..for argument's sake...thing here is..its still an old boys club with just new faces ..wanna know why..because its the same MO still..hire former Flyers who have a certain mentality

I don't think Torts and Briere have the same mentality as Clarke, Barber or Holmgren. Jones I'm not sure about.
They don't have the same attachment to size, for example.

I doubt Briere has a problem with skilled, undersized forwards, but I'll bet he has a problem with "soft" players who prefer open ice to the dirty areas - he's the one who counseled TK with the aid of analytics to aggressively attack the net instead of sniping from a distance.

The two teams in the playoffs who are probably closest to their vision are Vegas (leading shot blocking team) and Carolina (intense forecheck).

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think you're a little paranoid, but I get why since they have been stuck to the organization like skin tags. Clarke, Barber, Holmgren, etc..are basically like emeritus former staff. You don't want to publicly humiliate them, you want to praise them...but they don't have any actual role and they are not seriously listened to.

We know there is no possible way for Clarke to be relegated to a corner without making himself a major problem.

And, sidelining them remains irrelevant without firing every one of their people from the team and that's never happening until they're dead or imprisoned

I'd also like to point out I was called paranoid for saying it seems like Clarke has a lot of influence at the end of Homer's tenure, and that ended up being correct.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't think Torts and Briere have the same mentality as Clarke, Barber or Holmgren. Jones I'm not sure about.
They don't have the same attachment to size, for example.

I doubt Briere has a problem with skilled, undersized forwards, but I'll bet he has a problem with "soft" players who prefer open ice to the dirty areas - he's the one who counseled TK with the aid of analytics to aggressively attack the net instead of sniping from a distance.

The two teams in the playoffs who are probably closest to their vision are Vegas (leading shot blocking team) and Carolina (intense forecheck).

Tortorella has the exact same mentality as Clarke, Barber, Holmgren, and Jones. Briere is supposedly of a mind with Tortorella, so we can infer he thinks like them too.

The reason you don't know this is because your fictional idea of Tortorella isn't real. That's why your predictions about him have been universally wrong.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Tortorella has the exact same mentality as Clarke, Barber, Holmgren, and Jones. Briere is supposedly of a mind with Tortorella, so we can infer he thinks like them too.

The reason you don't know this is because your fictional idea of Tortorella isn't real. That's why your predictions about him have been universally wrong.

give Briere a full season with Torts/Jones/oldbois in his ear..

guys gunna crack... but i believe hes already onboard..

to many flags suggest hes wanting the samething the Flyers have always wanted.

boxing on ice....

 

[ponder719]

This feels relevant to the overall conversation.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I am not surprised.

 

[ponder719]

A Single, Unbroken, Era of Orange.

"Don't Forget: You're Here Forever!"

 

[kudymen]

This feels relevant to the overall conversation.

*Watch me pick one of those teams to prove something while ignoring the overarching point*

(Probably Arizona)

(No this post doesn't say there is universal truth. It makes fun of Flyers)

 

[ponder719]

It's just so absurdly unbalanced. Clearly, we're not the only team with a ton of former players in our FO, but the sheer imbalance between former Flyers and former non-Flyer players is just overwhelming. No wonder this team never changes tack; they refuse to allow outside perspectives to even approach the room where it happens, by a percentage that is staggering even relative to other insular franchises.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The worst managed team also being an insular feedback loop isn't a coincidence. Fire everyone.

 

[GKJ]

He carried them to and into the playoffs? He missed the last 13 games of the season and didn't play until Game Five of the Conference Semifinals.

A shooter tutor could arguably have performed the same against the Habs.

I actually knew (of) someone in my row at that time who opted out of playoff tickets when Leighton got hurt.

 

[BernieParent]

Just a reminder:

Prior to game six of the 1974 Stanley Cup Finals, Shero wrote his now famous quote "Win together today and we walk together forever" - a statement that continues to be quoted to this day.

Prophecy fulfilled.

 

[kudymen]

Just a reminder:



Prophecy fulfilled.

I would honestly be at way more peace if deadhead simply quoted these few words as an argument instead of a billion paragraphs in each of his posts.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I am not surprised.

we win again..

get the banner made....

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Since the bubble playoffs, the Flyers are ranked 26th and the Leafs are ranked 4th. They're not similar at all.

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Sure they are. Just take away the multiple star players, good depth, well established drafting and development system and don't get any return for it at all, or free up cap space while doing it and they are exactly the same! Duh. /s

 

[tucson83]

Tortorella has the exact same mentality as Clarke, Barber, Holmgren, and Jones. Briere is supposedly of a mind with Tortorella, so we can infer he thinks like them too.

The reason you don't know this is because your fictional idea of Tortorella isn't real. That's why your predictions about him have been universally wrong.

were you rather be the toronto maple leafs that havent made the finals since 1967 or not make the finals at all? you have no respect for these guys all because it doesnt lead to cup, we had 3 chances of winning cups and everything went to the fan because our best guys got injuried, emery 2010, markov 2004, lindros 2000, what you expect them to do to fix that? like what we would you have done to replace markov, lindros, and emery to to get us over the hump?

 

[FlyerNutter]

I’d anyone needs to see more evidence of the disease that has infested this organization. You can bet your ass many others in Flyer hockey ops think this way.

They talk about the fact people bring up how the team is filled with former Flyers. f***ing rats.