Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[deadhead]

Can we also point out the hilariousness of pointing out that the Hurricanes would likely be in the Finals if it wasn’t for Bob while also mocking the Leafs when they got Bob’d just the same?

The original Zito comment was in regards to let’s relax on making sweeping statements based off of random small sample sizes but somehow it’s morphed into a tetherball pole.

Panthers scored 14 goals in 5 games against Toronto, 6 goals in 3 games against the Canes.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Two years of Panarin were acquired, since he made it clear he had no interest in staying in Columbus.
They scored 247 goals the year before they acquired Panarin, 236 and 256 after they acquired him.

The offense collapsed after Panarin, Duchene, Duclair left, but primarily b/c Torts got conservative after Bob left, protecting two mediocre goalies in Korpisalo and Merzlikins.

Nor did acquiring Panarin turn the Rangers around, it would take two more years and the emergence of Shesterkins and a bunch of young players like Fox, Chytil, adding Trouba, etc.

Toronto
2016-17: 250 goals
2017-18: 270 goals
2018-19: 286 goals (add JT)
2019-20: 278 goals (237 in 70 games)
2020-21: 272 goals (186 in 56 games)
2021-22: 312 goals
2022-23: 278 goals

Adding a top scorer doesn't always make a big difference for a number of reasons:
1) cost to add player, trade, cap hit, weakens depth or makes it hard to retain other offensive players
2) chemistry, only one puck, lines are most effective with the right mix of players, a top score can push other players into less effective roles
3) minutes, you pay a scorer, you feel obligated to give him a lot of minutes, blocking the development of other players


About as good as Toronto, he made the playoffs six straight seasons and got to the 2nd rd twice.

You have assured us that Tortorella is an offensive mastermind, and offensively minded. Not conservative and defensively minded. And he can't figure out how to use Panarin?

Alluding to team offense being bad because Panarin was there is hilarious. And then the offense got worse when Tortorella chased off the offensive talent? No shit. Maybe, just maybe, a coach who hates offense and coaches to minimize it depressed production from everyone but the very best on the team and that reality was exposed without them.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Panthers scored 14 goals in 5 games against Toronto, 6 goals in 3 games against the Canes.

And yet Michael Leighton carried the Flyers…

Weird.

 

[Larry44]

And yet Michael Leighton carried the Flyers…

Weird.

In fairness to Michael F'ing Leighton, he did carry the Flyers to the playoffs and into them. It's just that when it really mattered, he sank to his level in the Final.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Panthers scored 14 goals in 5 games against Toronto, 6 goals in 3 games against the Canes.

You're reinforcing his point here.

 

[Curufinwe]

The goalposts have been moved so far from the original topic that I’m not even sure they’re goal posts anymore. They may be foul poles.

 

[Curufinwe]

This reminds of the Flyers in 2009-10 who rode a hot Leighton to the finals until he cooled off, or the Habs riding Price to the finals a couple years ago.

I don't remember those two teams winning the President's Trophy in the previous season.

Since Zito took over Florida, they have the NHL's 5th best regular season record in a sample of 220 games, and the 5th best playoff record in a sample of 31 games. So lucky!

 

[WIP CALLER]

In fairness to Michael F'ing Leighton, he did carry the Flyers to the playoffs and into them. It's just that when it really mattered, he sank to his level in the Final.

I didn't see it that way at all. Boucher got them into the playoffs and played lights out against the Devils. Then he got hurt in the Boston series and Leighton played decent but more importantly that team just outscored Boston when it mattered. The montreal series was a defensive masterpiece, I think the Habs had like 5 high danger chances total the entire series or at least it felt that way but to Leightons credit he made the saves he should make. Then against a better offensive team in Chicago, he became a sieve. If Boucher stayed healthy, he probably puts up better numbers than Leighton and they may win the cup.

 

[freakydallas13]

I don't even understand why Shillhead feels the need to drag Zito down. Shouldn't he be praising them as a team that is having success despite having a homegrown disappointing first overall pick on their roster?

 

[Rebels57]

I don't even understand why Shillhead feels the need to drag Zito down. Shouldn't he be praising them as a team that is having success despite having a homegrown disappointing first overall pick on their roster?

Because the Flyers chose Fletcher over Zito. That simple.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

In fairness to Michael F'ing Leighton, he did carry the Flyers to the playoffs and into them. It's just that when it really mattered, he sank to his level in the Final.

He carried them to and into the playoffs? He missed the last 13 games of the season and didn't play until Game Five of the Conference Semifinals.

A shooter tutor could arguably have performed the same against the Habs.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Anyone running the Flyers doesn't make any mistakes, and that's why the Flyers are so very good

 

[renberg]

Because the Flyers chose Fletcher over Zito. That simple.

No decent candidate for that job at that time was coming here to have Clarke and Barber dictating what he was going to do. Fletcher was capable of genuflecting his way around and so he got the job.

 

[kudymen]

Anyone running the Flyers doesn't make any mistakes, and that's why the Flyers are so very good

Which team is the 5th most improved again?

Florida? Yeah I didnt think so

 

[Curufinwe]

No decent candidate for that job at that time was coming here to have Clarke and Barber dictating what he was going to do. Fletcher was capable of genuflecting his way around and so he got the job.

That's BS. Fletcher didn't trade for 5 RHD in 3 years because Bill Barber told him to. That was pure Chuck. And Zito would have happily become the Flyers GM a year before he finally got the job in Florida.

 

[renberg]

That's BS. Fletcher didn't trade for 5 RHD in 3 years because Bill Barber told him to. That was pure Chuck. And Zito would have happily become the Flyers GM a year before he finally got the job in Florida.

I think that you need to review the ties that Fletcher had with Clarke before he was hired as GM here.

 

[Curufinwe]

I think that you need to review the ties that Fletcher had with Clarke before he was hired as GM here.

If the Flyers wanted Zito, he would have been the GM. And he would have been able to make his own moves, just like Fletcher was able to when he finally acquired Ristolainen, who he had been openly lusting after for years.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's not like the Cronies commanded Fletcher to make specific bad moves. They just hired someone who would agree with them and listen to them.

 

[deadhead]

I'm not

I don't even understand why Shillhead feels the need to drag Zito down. Shouldn't he be praising them as a team that is having success despite having a homegrown disappointing first overall pick on their roster?

I'm not "dragging Zito down."
He made some very good moves, but also some bad moves, and got extremely lucky this post-season.

4/10/21 Montour for 2021 3rd
4/12/21 Bennett for 2022 2nd
7/12/21 Reinhart for 2021 1st and Levi G
7/26/21 dumped 1yr/$5M Stralman for 2024 2nd, Kolyachonock D (#53-2019)
March 2022, rented Giroux, Chariot and Hagg for 2023, 1st, 2024 1st, 2023 3rd, 2022 6th, Tippett, Smilanic and Vatrano

10/9/20 signed Verhaeghe (25), coming off rookie season with TB, 52g 9-4 13 -9 but xGF 56.53%, xGFrel +1.41
10/9/20 signed Lomberg SFA
10/9/20 signed Gudas 3yr/$7.5
12/18/20 signed Duclair to 3yr/$9M
9/9/21 claimed Forsling off waivers from Carolina
7/13/22 signed Cousins, White
10/10/22 claimed Mahura off waivers

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm not

I'm not "dragging Zito down."
He made some very good moves, but also some bad moves, and got extremely lucky this post-season.

4/10/21 Montour for 2021 3rd
4/12/21 Bennett for 2022 2nd
7/12/21 Reinhart for 2021 1st and Levi G
7/26/21 dumped 1yr/$5M Stralman for 2024 2nd, Kolyachonock D (#53-2019)
March 2022, rented Giroux, Chariot and Hagg for 2023, 1st, 2024 1st, 2023 3rd, 2022 6th, Tippett, Smilanic and Vatrano

10/9/20 signed Verhaeghe (25), coming off rookie season with TB, 52g 9-4 13 -9 but xGF 56.53%, xGFrel +1.41
10/9/20 signed Lomberg SFA
10/9/20 signed Gudas 3yr/$7.5
12/18/20 signed Duclair to 3yr/$9M
9/9/21 claimed Forsling off waivers from Carolina
7/13/22 signed Cousins, White
10/10/22 claimed Mahura off waivers

Yes you are. You did this with Trotz back when Hakstol was here too. You get examples of people good at their jobs in contrast to whoever the Flyers employ, and you respond by attacking them. It's the same mindset that led you on a character assassination spree in defense of a guy who abused the handicapped.

 

[kudymen]

I am not dragging him down, I am just saying that it is extremely lucky to build a Presidents Trophy team last year and crushing playoffs this year, including kicking out record breaking Bruins.

But I also somehow maintain at the same time that everyone "the hive complained about" was very unlucky and when they had some form of success elsewhere, it was definitely not luck.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

It's not like the Cronies commanded Fletcher to make specific bad moves. They just hired someone who would agree with them and listen to them.

its priority number one on the hiring form

"do you agree with what the old bois club wants?".

if no, throw away resume/job app.

its really that simple

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

The goalposts have been moved so far from the original topic that I’m not even sure they’re goal posts anymore. They may be foul poles.

They are lights in the parking lot now.

 

[deadhead]

What "old bois club"?
Have you heard ANYTHING from or about Clarke, Barber, Holmgren or Lombardi the past two months?

It's Briere with final authority, advised by Torts and Jones.
For better or worse, that's the group that will run the rebuild.

My suspicion is Briere will have 3 years to show progress, not necessarily make the playoffs, but build a young, exciting team that is on the verge of contention. If the Flyers aren't a promising young team going into the 2026-27 season, there will be changes.

We'll have a good idea of their direction by July, who they trade, what they obtain in those trades, the moves made on the margin (low cost FAs, waiver wire pickups, SFAs, etc.).

Right now, they have a 1st, (2) 3rds, (2) 4ths in this draft, (2) 1sts, 2nd (JOB), 3rd, 4th in the 2024 draft.
We'll see how many picks Briere gets before the draft in trades.

 

[freakydallas13]

What "old bois club"?
Have you heard ANYTHING from or about Clarke, Barber, Holmgren or Lombardi the past two months?

It's Briere with final authority, advised by Torts and Jones.
For better or worse, that's the group that will run the rebuild.

My suspicion is Briere will have 3 years to show progress, not necessarily make the playoffs, but build a young, exciting team that is on the verge of contention. If the Flyers aren't a promising young team going into the 2026-27 season, there will be changes.

We'll have a good idea of their direction by July, who they trade, what they obtain in those trades, the moves made on the margin (low cost FAs, waiver wire pickups, SFAs, etc.).

Right now, they have a 1st, (2) 3rds, (2) 4ths in this draft, (2) 1sts, 2nd (JOB), 3rd, 4th in the 2024 draft.
We'll see how many picks Briere gets before the draft in trades.

You're delusional.