Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[GKJ]

There was a dude sobbing on WIP last week because he was so overtaken by Jonesy getting the job. He also played for the alumni team even though he wasn’t alumni.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Jones has a interview on BSH. A lot of what you'd expect.

-Again talking about how they need to focus on defense. It's not that I don't think this is important, but for once it would be shocking to hear them admire the other side of the ice with the same hornyness.

-They are in love with Torts. You can bet your ass he is staying on after his coaching days are done

-A lot of the same old Flyer talking points, I do laugh a little at him mentioning more than once now that he wants players around the league to be "sold" on the Flyers, and current Flyer players to do that

Archaic franchise. I dont like getting personal, but only a fool thinks this is something new. Same old bullshit. Rebuild my ass. This country club will never look inward that they might be the reason the team sucks.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

There’s definitely a segment of the fan base that can be persuaded into things via PR. It’s working currently to some degree with some. They want to believe things changed even if it’s of the blind variety subconsciously or not. That’s probably not enough to get those people to buy STH especially even with the caveat of believing. You know this team is gonna suck for a few years at minimum going forward. So that’s not really worth price of admission. But that’s probably enough to get public opinion back in their favor for who things could be down the line.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Just once I want someone to ask them what building the “right way” means.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Just once I want someone to ask them what building the “right way” means.

Depth > talent
Effort > everything
FA/trades > draft

They scoff at teams like what Chicago did this season

 

[deadhead]

Jones has a interview on BSH. A lot of what you'd expect.

-Again talking about how they need to focus on defense. It's not that I don't think this is important, but for once it would be shocking to hear them admire the other side of the ice with the same hornyness.

-They are in love with Torts. You can bet your ass he is staying on after his coaching days are done

-A lot of the same old Flyer talking points, I do laugh a little at him mentioning more than once now that he wants players around the league to be "sold" on the Flyers, and current Flyer players to do that

Archaic franchise. I dont like getting personal, but only a fool thinks this is something new. Same old bullshit. Rebuild my ass. This country club will never look inward that they might be the reason the team sucks.

They do need to focus on defense, right now it's a shambles.
On offense, they have Foerster and maybe Brink this fall, Gauthier next fall, they have a shot at a decent top six.
But other than York, nothing is certain with this defense.

Did I touch a nerve?

Also, the Flyers did not ride a hot Leighton. Pure fantasy.

Was Leighton good? Sure. Did they ride him/he carry them? No, not even close.

Until the finals he had a save % > .920. When he faltered, so did the team.
He wasn't pulling a "Price," but he probably had the best Flyer playoff until Hart in 2019-20.
Flyers just haven't had goalies take them for long PO runs the last couple decades.
Sometimes it's less about being unstoppable than simply dependable.

 

[FlyerNutter]

They do need to focus on defense, right now it's a shambles.
On offense, they have Foerster and maybe Brink this fall, Gauthier next fall, they have a shot at a decent top six.
But other than York, nothing is certain with this defense.


Until the finals he had a save % > .920. When he faltered, so did the team.
He wasn't pulling a "Price," but he probably had the best Flyer playoff until Hart in 2019-20.
Flyers just haven't had goalies take them for long PO runs the last couple decades.
Sometimes it's less about being unstoppable than simply dependable.

Lol. Why the faith that the same scouting department that was once heralded as unearthing Prov, Sanheim, Hagg, Myers, and Ghost will magically now be able to identity above average NHL talent?

The same scouting staff that has found two stars since 2006.

Jones, and Briere are "new", and I use that word lightly. The rest of the antiquated morons who should be homeless begging for crack are still employed. Nothing has changed.

 

[deadhead]

Lol. Why the faith that the same scouting department that was once heralded as unearthing Prov, Sanheim, Hagg, Myers, and Ghost will magically now be able to identity above average NHL talent?

The same scouting staff that has found two stars since 2006.

Jones, and Briere are "new", and I use that word lightly. The rest of the antiquated morons who should be homeless begging for crack are still employed. Nothing has changed.

When it comes to high draft picks, it's less the scouts than the GM/top personnel guy.
Scouts matter more after the first round, especially after the second round b/c top guys aren't going to watch 1000 hours of film.
But they will carefully scrutinize the top 10-20 prospects.
So Patrick, Provorov is probably more Hextall than the scouts, Gauthier the same with Flahr/Fletcher.
Probably the GM for Sanheim #17, Farabee #14, York #11/#14
Players like Cates, Ersson, Desnoyers are probably more due to scouts.

 

[Magua]

That’s very narratively convenient.

 

[deadhead]

That’s very narratively convenient.

It's true in every sport (well, maybe not the NBA b/c there are so few legitimate prospects).
GM's future depends on the success of 1st rd picks, scouts on later picks, so GM always dominates the room with high picks.
When you get to the 3rd or 4th rd, how much time do you think the GM spent on the 50 possible picks (before the draft starts)?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Zito is the luckiest person in the NHL this year. If Bob wasn't having the playoff run of his career, they'd never have made it through the first round.
And he only got to the playoffs b/c Lyon had the best two weeks of his career.
Which just proves the adage: "better to be lucky than good."

This reminds of the Flyers in 2009-10 who rode a hot Leighton to the finals until he cooled off, or the Habs riding Price to the finals a couple years ago.

Zito made perhaps the highest degree of difficulty NHL trade in a decade and hit a grand slam. You describe him as such.

Someone Chuck Fletcher drafted scores a goal against HC Reykjavik in the Icelandic league in his mid 30s against a team consisting entirely of geldings with trowels for skates and you can see the plan in action.

This is why you get baffled reactions.

 

[deadhead]

Zito made perhaps the highest degree of difficulty NHL trade in a decade and hit a grand slam. You describe him as such.

Someone Chuck Fletcher drafted scores a goal against HC Reykjavik in the Icelandic league in his mid 30s against a team consisting entirely of geldings with trowels for skates and you can see the plan in action.

This is why you get baffled reactions.

That trade wasn't even for this season, it weakened the team in the short-run, but help build a core for the long-run.
Last year he goes all-in at the TDL and comes up empty, this year he plays the long game and gets lucky.
Which is why I hate TDL trades, while it worked for TB, they were a deep team that had already gone to the SC Finals.
But most of the time the best strategy is continue to add value over the long run and hope to get lucky.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Goes "all-in" last year and yet his team is about to be in the Stanley Cup Final...

 

[deadhead]

Goes "all-in" last year and yet his team is about to be in the Stanley Cup Final...

Yes, his brilliant plan was to fool the league, catch them by surprise after flopping last playoffs and have Bob have an historic goalie performance even though he's choked in almost every playoff his entire career (2018-19 was his only other good PO performance).

13 PO games with Bob in goal, all strength xGF is 44.29%. 5x5 SVA 45.58%
Florida is being outplayed, Bob is the only thing that's keeping them alive.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yes, his brilliant plan was to fool the league, catch them by surprise after flopping last playoffs and have Bob have an historic goalie performance even though he's choked in almost every playoff his entire career (2018-19 was his only other good PO performance).

13 PO games with Bob in goal, all strength xGF is 44.29%. 5x5 SVA 45.58%
Florida is being outplayed, Bob is the only thing that's keeping them alive.

The point is that he didn't go "all-in." He pushed some chips into the middle of the table last year which you should do when you have a good hand. Sometimes the cards just don't go your way.

Once again, I recognize that you cannot look at anything that Zito (or Sakic) does without bias due to fantastical narratives.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Make no mistake, there is a portion of the fanbase that will eat this propaganda up and get back on board.

and they deserve the shitshow thats continuing to happen

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

It's not the size of the sample that counts, it how you misuse it

 

[deadhead]

The point is that he didn't go "all-in." He pushed some chips into the middle of the table last year which you should do when you have a good hand. Sometimes the cards just don't go your way.

Once again, I recognize that you cannot look at anything that Zito (or Sakic) does without bias due to fantastical narratives.

Trading (2) 1sts, 3rd, 4th and a 27 goal scorer for two rentals isn't going "all-in"? What is then?
Tkachuk was different, that was value for value, so was Reinhart, 1st rd pick and top goalie prospect.

 

[Rebels57]

Jones has a interview on BSH. A lot of what you'd expect.

-Again talking about how they need to focus on defense. It's not that I don't think this is important, but for once it would be shocking to hear them admire the other side of the ice with the same hornyness.

-They are in love with Torts. You can bet your ass he is staying on after his coaching days are done

-A lot of the same old Flyer talking points, I do laugh a little at him mentioning more than once now that he wants players around the league to be "sold" on the Flyers, and current Flyer players to do that

Archaic franchise. I dont like getting personal, but only a fool thinks this is something new. Same old bullshit. Rebuild my ass. This country club will never look inward that they might be the reason the team sucks.

They deserve every ounce of failure headed their way. Whats worse is, I dont even care anymore. Congrats Mr. Clarke. You helped build Philly's love for the Flyers in the 70s, then helped (with many others) destroy it 50 years later.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Trading (2) 1sts, 3rd, 4th and a 27 goal scorer for two rentals isn't going "all-in"? What is then?
Tkachuk was different, that was value for value, so was Reinhart, 1st rd pick and top goalie prospect.

And a 27 goal scorer? JFC.

I'm just going to stop discussing this with you now.

 

[deadhead]

If Zito was smart enough to recognize that Verhaeghe was a top scorer who just needed a chance, he should have recognized that Tippett was a potential goal scorer that just needed a chance. If one was a brilliant move, by the same standard, the other was a mistake.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Let’s not forget Florida was an 8 seed who got into the playoffs on the basis of a late-season heater from journeyman AHL goalie Alex Lyon, who was their starter to begin the postseason.

Now they’re riding another goalie heater from Bob to reach the Cup final.

It’s a bit reminiscent of the 09/10 Flyers. An 8 seed, but a team capable of doing damage if they got goaltending.

It pays to get hot at the right times. Ask last year’s Phillies.

 

[Magua]

You didn’t go “all in” if you had enough assets to acquire Tkachuk months later.

 

[Cody Webster]

There’s definitely a segment of the fan base that can be persuaded into things via PR. It’s working currently to some degree with some. They want to believe things changed even if it’s of the blind variety subconsciously or not. That’s probably not enough to get those people to buy STH especially even with the caveat of believing. You know this team is gonna suck for a few years at minimum going forward. So that’s not really worth price of admission. But that’s probably enough to get public opinion back in their favor for who things could be down the line.

I found part of that fan base....

 

[deadhead]

You didn’t go “all in” if you had enough assets to acquire Tkachuk months later.

Wheeler ranked their farm system 26th in January 2023.
They've traded their first rd pick the next three drafts, their 3rd this year and 2nd next year.