Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[BernieParent]

i just stated that people cant just lie in a post saying he doesn't have any connections in the game.

What do you believe are the most important benefits of these connections?

 

[deadhead]

What do you believe are the most important benefits of these connections?

Information about players, staffers, etc. Who's a complete asshole and pisses off his teammates, which scout is totally BS, what assistant GM is an up and comer and so on. Networking is about information, you give a little, get a little but over a web of connections, you learn a lot of stuff that never makes it to the media, or if it does, well past it's expiration date. The kind of scuttlebutt people share over a couple of drinks at dinner.

 

[Starat327]

If HF Flyers had a triumvirate who would be in it?

1 and 2 are easy. Its that third spot that's tricky.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Information about players, staffers, etc. Who's a complete asshole and pisses off his teammates, which scout is totally BS, what assistant GM is an up and comer and so on. Networking is about information, you give a little, get a little but over a web of connections, you learn a lot of stuff that never makes it to the media, or if it does, well past it's expiration date. The kind of scuttlebutt people share over a couple of drinks at dinner.

So the kind of thing many, many people with more qualifications have.

We are heading into a rebuild led by a group with no clue how to do it.

 

[Danko]

1 and 2 are easy. Its that third spot that's tricky.

whoever said Richards is canon, Boxcar, and Jakes Burner

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Information about players, staffers, etc. Who's a complete asshole and pisses off his teammates, which scout is totally BS, what assistant GM is an up and comer and so on. Networking is about information, you give a little, get a little but over a web of connections, you learn a lot of stuff that never makes it to the media, or if it does, well past it's expiration date. The kind of scuttlebutt people share over a couple of drinks at dinner.

He is the media. That's literally what his job was and how he made these connections so...

 

[BernieParent]

Information about players, staffers, etc. Who's a complete asshole and pisses off his teammates, which scout is totally BS, what assistant GM is an up and comer and so on. Networking is about information, you give a little, get a little but over a web of connections, you learn a lot of stuff that never makes it to the media, or if it does, well past it's expiration date. The kind of scuttlebutt people share over a couple of drinks at dinner.

Thanks, dead. These are the points I was anticipating hearing, and some of them are of value. I was thinking about not just the connections that Jones would have but how he would synthesize the information he is receiving. Is the source reliable? Objective? We tend to seek out confirmation of our own viewpoint so I am skeptical that Jones' conversation would turn up, for example, an up and comer assistant GM with the qualities that are plusses in the modern NHL.

 

[Danko]

What do you believe are the most important benefits of these connections?

Most people at this level of the league know each other, so there's that to be said, but im assuming the benefit is that he can make an informed decision when Danny comes to him and asks a question...I'm assuming the organization prefers someone who knows the "culture" of philadelphia is important after dealing with Chuck.

 

[Redpath]

Information about players, staffers, etc. Who's a complete asshole and pisses off his teammates, which scout is totally BS, what assistant GM is an up and comer and so on. Networking is about information, you give a little, get a little but over a web of connections, you learn a lot of stuff that never makes it to the media, or if it does, well past it's expiration date. The kind of scuttlebutt people share over a couple of drinks at dinner.

Conversely, we could have hired someone like Doug Wilson, who has actually worked with, not just has connections with, different GMs, agents, scouts, etc, and then actually empowered Wilson to use those connections as part of his PoHO role to assist a first-time GM .

Instead, we neutered the position so that Hilferty and Camillo can be spoonfed buzzwords about how to sell the team.

 

[swami24]

Ironically, today is Brian Eno's birthday, producer of that song.

 

[BernieParent]

Most people at this level of the league know each other, so there's that to be said, but im assuming the benefit is that he can make an informed decision when Danny comes to him and asks a question...I'm assuming the organization prefers someone who knows the "culture" of philadelphia is important after dealing with Chuck.

Thanks for your reply, Danko. I'm just skeptical that Jones' gathered information will contribute to the best possible decision for the current franchise given his expressed biases. And if one question is how a decision will coalesce with the Philadelphia culture, my skepticism increases.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Deslauriers played 9:12 at ES, only one with less time was Laczynski with 9:07 (and he was downright awful, xGF 39.77%)
Bellows 9:20, Brown 10:05, Sedlak 10:39, MacEwen 11:37/Lemieux 12:02 [8 forwards over 12 minutes]

Tots has never said he dislikes skill, just ask St Louis or Atkinson, he dislikes young players getting cute instead of working on fundamentals. And he dislikes skill players who won't play defense, back check or fight for pucks.

Anyone over 60 loves the 70s Flyers, they won two Cups and lost in the Finals twice.
And they weren't offensive ciphers:
1973-74: 5 of 16 teams in goals scored
1974-75: 6 of 18
1975-76: 1 of 18
1976-77: 2 of 18
1977-78: 4 of 18
1978-79: 7 of 17
1979-80: 2 of 21

Nothing has changed b/c season isn't over, I suspect contracts expire July 1 or something like that, and you can't hire replacements until their contracts with other teams expire. And you don't want to get slapped with penalties for tampering.
Same with the AHL group.

Moves on both players and personnel will be made in June and July.

The 70s version of the nhl is an entirely different sport compared to what the nhl is now, you're not bullying your way to victory, and we've already proven he said he hates skill, he said it, your new lord and savior

 

[deadhead]

The 70s version of the nhl is an entirely different sport compared to what the nhl is now, you're not bullying your way to victory, and we've already proven he said he hates skill, he said it, your new lord and savior

Find me a quote where Torts says he hates skill. He didn't like the "Michigan" - but that's not "skill," that's just a trick play

 

[Larry44]

I get it, it isn't the move we wanted, but some are forgetting that he has relationships with nearly everyone. So acting like he is some lowly local radio guy with zero connections in the game is a lie. Not saying this qualifies him at all but just keep that in mind when you are commenting on things.

We know that he frequently interacts with owners/presidents/gms/coaches/players/trainers/media etc...

he has been around the game forever, and has stories with just about everyone.

So he knows people. How does he differ from Elliott Friedman or any of the other veteran play by play or colour guys? He doesn’t. His only qualification is that he agreed to take the job on condition he kept the Coach and GM.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Find me a quote where Torts says he hates skill. He didn't like the "Michigan" - but that's not "skill," that's just a trick play

It's a play that takes skill to execute. That's why he hates it. He hates offensive creativity. That's why he prefers Cates to Frost, and Barkov to McDavid. Offensive creativity is skill. He has stated that he thinks skill is ruining the sport.

Here he is bemoaning the NHL becoming a more skilled league instead of the grindfest he prefers: John Tortorella misses the hate in 'hugfest' NHL | ProHockeyTalk | NBC Sports

Makes sense, because that evolution (which he proudly refuses to adapt to) makes him steadily more and more irrelevant.

He's also slammed players for trying to "skill their way into the NHL"

He is not who you think he is. You have no understanding of Tortorella, and that's why you're seemingly always wrong about him. Still waiting for that youth movement.

 

[deadhead]

So he knows people. How does he differ from Elliott Friedman or any of the other veteran play by play or colour guys? He doesn’t. His only qualification is that he agreed to take the job on condition he kept the Coach and GM.

This is Briere's team, for good or evil. No different than Sakic or Yzerman when they took over. TItle's are irrelevant, final authority is what matters.
So once you decide Briere is running things, the "President" is there to assist him, not to control him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Incredibly different from Sakic or Yzerman.

 

[freakydallas13]

Find me a quote where Torts says he hates skill. He didn't like the "Michigan" - but that's not "skill," that's just a trick play

Find me a quote where Torts says he loves skill and hates grinders.

 

[deadhead]

Find me a quote where Torts says he loves skill and hates grinders.

What's a "grinder." Is Gourde a grinder?

 

[freakydallas13]

What's a "grinder." Is Gourde a grinder?

What exactly is "skill"?

You're the one who started asking for quotes, figure it out.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Gourde can score 20+ goals and is a lot more than a PK specialist, so he isn't what Tortorella wants to add.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Jonesy is on WIP right now continuing his role as PR man

He is really good at that aspect of it. At least the Flyers won't be totally hateable anymore.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

“Can’t win a Cup if you’re not in the playoffs.”

Great.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Holy f***. They actually think that they’re irrelevant in this city because they’re not talked about on the radio.

God damn the woman who wanted the players on Morning Shows on 6ABC did this.

 

[kudymen]

Holy f***. They actually think that they’re irrelevant in this city because they’re not talked about on the radio.

God damn the woman who wanted the players on Morning Shows on 6ABC did this b

Rangers fans took over the arena because they all heard the Rangers talk on local radio in NYC