Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[LegionOfDoom91]

Briere is more of a wild card at least. But Jones has had a platform over the years to share his thoughts/analysis to the public & that mindset has generally trended towards ideas that have plagued the Flyers for decades now.

 

[04hockey]

They went on and on about becoming a modern club and hired the guy that was behind giving meathead a four year deal. Do you see the contradiction? Hey man, to each their own but I’ll believe it when I see it. They are shoveling the same old shit

Deslauriers ?? .....didn't Coots ask for a role player like him ?, to keep the other teams from taking cheap shots on our better players ??
He's can more than handle himself and kept other teams in line all year ?
In todays NHL you have to have to have "that" or your smaller guys will get tossed around until they're on the injured list

 

[FlyerNutter]

Here is a fun thought. How many other teams would have hired, nahh... How many would have given Jones an interview for a president of hockey ops position?

I know that orange construction worker team in Pennsylvania, but other than that.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Deslauriers ?? .....didn't Coots ask for a role player like him ?, to keep the other teams from taking cheap shots on our better players ??
He's can more than handle himself and kept other teams in line all year ?
In todays NHL you have to have to have "that" or your smaller guys will get tossed around until they're on the injured list

Couturier asked for Thompson, so let's pray he's never our GM.

Players can ask for whatever they want. A GM doesn't need to comply and provide a complete shit heap of a player and contract.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

not one person here could have called this..

not one .

 

[deadhead]

Except even if they do obvious dumb shit, you defend it or say it doesn't matter. You can be optimistic but when you defend everything, your credibility is lost.

When you attack everything, your credibility is lost.

Shall we go through the pages swearing Fletcher was fleeced by Zito?
For 28 game of Giroux headed to FA, Flyers got a 23 year old forward who scored 27 goals, a 3rd in this year's draft and a 1st next year.
I doubt they could have done better.
Did that make Fletcher a genius, nah. But he wasn't taken to the cleaner's either.

There is something called "nuance." Many of their mistakes were driven by bad strategy, trying to win now, worked in 2019 b/c they still had a core of players in their peak years, but that window was closing. When it closed, they refused to recognize it.
Do I think Fletcher f---ked up? Sure. Do I think he was pressured into bad moves by the FO refusing to accept reality? Sure.

I don't get the anomisity toward Torts. Like I said, look what they do, not what they say (he fires off the cuff, that's his MO).
By the end of the year, starting 9 included Frost, Tippett, Farabee, Cates and York. He may have pushed them hard, but he played them.
Frost finished the season scoring at a 2C pace, so much for "suppressing" his offense.
I think Torts would have started Foerster and kept Ersson, but they were right to send them to LHV, b/c the team didn't need to finish any stronger.
Next year those two plus Desnoyers, Zamula and Attard are likely to be on the team, Lycksell will get a shot at winning a job.

The problem isn't playing young talent, it's having enough NHL ready talent to play.

 

[FlyerNutter]

not one person here could have called this..

not one .

Hahah f*** them all.

I wonder how many times the alumni meet in the bath house every week. I like to think Jones was at least given some respect, by being allowed to bring some lube.

 

[deadhead]

Deslauriers ?? .....didn't Coots ask for a role player like him ?, to keep the other teams from taking cheap shots on our better players ??
He's can more than handle himself and kept other teams in line all year ?
In todays NHL you have to have to have "that" or your smaller guys will get tossed around until they're on the injured list

Well, he did block Brown for a while. It's not like the Flyers had 12 solid forwards, and Deslauriers still had the lowest TOI of all forwards, including call ups.
By the time Deslauriers blocks someone who can play, he'll be wearing another uniform.

 

[04hockey]

Well, he did block Brown for a while. It's not like the Flyers had 12 solid forwards, and Deslauriers still had the lowest TOI of all forwards, including call ups.
By the time Deslauriers blocks someone who can play, he'll be wearing another uniform.

as long as he's available when they play a team with an agitator I'm fine with him being dressed

can't have teams running TK, York, Frost et al without "answering" to someone

 

[Tripod]

When you attack everything, your credibility is lost.

Shall we go through the pages swearing Fletcher was fleeced by Zito?
For 28 game of Giroux headed to FA, Flyers got a 23 year old forward who scored 27 goals, a 3rd in this year's draft and a 1st next year.
I doubt they could have done better.
Did that make Fletcher a genius, nah. But he wasn't taken to the cleaner's either.

There is something called "nuance." Many of their mistakes were driven by bad strategy, trying to win now, worked in 2019 b/c they still had a core of players in their peak years, but that window was closing. When it closed, they refused to recognize it.
Do I think Fletcher f---ked up? Sure. Do I think he was pressured into bad moves by the FO refusing to accept reality? Sure.

I don't get the anomisity toward Torts. Like I said, look what they do, not what they say (he fires off the cuff, that's his MO).
By the end of the year, starting 9 included Frost, Tippett, Farabee, Cates and York. He may have pushed them hard, but he played them.
Frost finished the season scoring at a 2C pace, so much for "suppressing" his offense.
I think Torts would have started Foerster and kept Ersson, but they were right to send them to LHV, b/c the team didn't need to finish any stronger.
Next year those two plus Desnoyers, Zamula and Attard are likely to be on the team, Lycksell will get a shot at winning a job.

The problem isn't playing young talent, it's having enough NHL ready talent to play.

Yeah it was a total fluke that Frost's only game missed, was in his hometown with his family in attendance. It's shit like that for no reason that adds to people turning on Torts....and all coaches.

As for Fletch....it's as if you forget that you said he only made 1 mistake. And then you tried to justify that mistake repeatedly.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

We get why you don’t get the animosity towards Torts.

It’s how your generation functions and the most “effective” way they can think of when it comes to motivating people. Tons of people think that’s the best way to do it because the youth need to get tougher!

Being a dick and not being able to nor wanting to communicate with people isn’t something that should be celebrated.

Also, those pages and pages of Fletcher/Zito talk were heavily influenced because of ASF’s reporting that Fletcher wouldn’t accommodate Giroux. A report that you’ve fought tooth and nail to give any credibility despite selectively choosing what other ASF stories to believe.

 

[Beef Invictus]

When you attack everything, your credibility is lost.

Shall we go through the pages swearing Fletcher was fleeced by Zito?
For 28 game of Giroux headed to FA, Flyers got a 23 year old forward who scored 27 goals, a 3rd in this year's draft and a 1st next year.
I doubt they could have done better.
Did that make Fletcher a genius, nah. But he wasn't taken to the cleaner's either.

There is something called "nuance." Many of their mistakes were driven by bad strategy, trying to win now, worked in 2019 b/c they still had a core of players in their peak years, but that window was closing. When it closed, they refused to recognize it.
Do I think Fletcher f---ked up? Sure. Do I think he was pressured into bad moves by the FO refusing to accept reality? Sure.

I don't get the anomisity toward Torts. Like I said, look what they do, not what they say (he fires off the cuff, that's his MO).
By the end of the year, starting 9 included Frost, Tippett, Farabee, Cates and York. He may have pushed them hard, but he played them.
Frost finished the season scoring at a 2C pace, so much for "suppressing" his offense.
I think Torts would have started Foerster and kept Ersson, but they were right to send them to LHV, b/c the team didn't need to finish any stronger.
Next year those two plus Desnoyers, Zamula and Attard are likely to be on the team, Lycksell will get a shot at winning a job.

The problem isn't playing young talent, it's having enough NHL ready talent to play.

Credibility is only lost if the attacks aren't credible. Everything the Flyers have done for a long time is worthy of attack.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Bob Clarke could be dead & you’d swear his apparition is lying to journalists about Cale Makar & Jordan Oettinger.

No. If he were dead I would not assume that. That is false as usual. Also, those lies would stop.

Your defenses of the Flyers consist mainly of strawman attacks, exaggeration, and outright fabrication. That's because it is impossible to directly and rationally defend the team, so all you can do is twist and distort what people say or pretend they say something else completely.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We get why you don’t get the animosity towards Torts.

It’s how your generation functions and the most “effective” way they can think of when it comes to motivating people. Tons of people think that’s the best way to do it because the youth need to get tougher!

Being a dick and not being able to nor wanting to communicate with people isn’t something that should be celebrated.

Also, those pages and pages of Fletcher/Zito talk were heavily influenced because of ASF’s reporting that Fletcher wouldn’t accommodate Giroux. A report that you’ve fought tooth and nail to give any credibility despite selectively choosing what other ASF stories to believe.

Actually their generation mainly loves seeing other people being beaten down, but the second it happens to them they're laughably thin skinned and snowflakey.

 

[Beef Invictus]

as long as he's available when they play a team with an agitator I'm fine with him being dressed

can't have teams running TK, York, Frost et al without "answering" to someone

Agitators are useless. It isn't 2003. Just ignore them and they're nothing but a detriment, just like most teams did to Deslauriers all year.

 

[wankstifier]

I’m agitated so they must be working

 

[PDX Flyer]

Deslauriers ?? .....didn't Coots ask for a role player like him ?, to keep the other teams from taking cheap shots on our better players ??
He's can more than handle himself and kept other teams in line all year ?
In todays NHL you have to have to have "that" or your smaller guys will get tossed around until they're on the injured list

I can’t take this post seriously. We will have to disagree and move on.

 

[deadhead]

We get why you don’t get the animosity towards Torts.

It’s how your generation functions and the most “effective” way they can think of when it comes to motivating people. Tons of people think that’s the best way to do it because the youth need to get tougher!

Being a dick and not being able to nor wanting to communicate with people isn’t something that should be celebrated.

Also, those pages and pages of Fletcher/Zito talk were heavily influenced because of ASF’s reporting that Fletcher wouldn’t accommodate Giroux. A report that you’ve fought tooth and nail to give any credibility despite selectively choosing what other ASF stories to believe.

Fletcher was right. They had no business promising Giroux they'd give him a new contract at 35, when even Fletcher knew (but couldn't publicly admit) that the team needed to start a rebuild. Same way they had no business signing JG to a 7 year deal, even at a discount. Of course, they shouldn't have signed 28 year old Risto to a 5 year deal, or 26 year old Sanheim to a 8 year deal. But that's what happens when the FO can't decide what strategy it wants to pursue.

The Ghost/Risto move was the one major mistake made by Fletcher. Hayes was an overpay, but that was pushed by Holmgren's insistence he wanted them to try to win now while G's window was open, because with Patrick damaged goods, that meant they had to sign a center. So Duchene (if he'd come), Hayes or bust (there's no evidence Pavelski even considered an Eastern team, and he was 35 at the time, who would have thought he's still be producing 4 years later!). Ellis was just bad luck, Voracek for Atkinson turned out to be a good move.

Fletcher delivered what the advisors wanted, without COVID they might have had a 2 year run or so. But the window was closing in any case.
What made Ghost/Risto bad wasn't losing Ghost, but giving up all those assets when it was obvious to everyone but Scott/Barber that the gig was up.
Trading G was a good move, not trading Risto and Sanheim and trading for TDA made no sense after you trade G, and know Couts is a ??? and Ellis is defunct.
But that would have required the FO to utter the word "rebuild." As we know, if the Advisors do so, they'll all turn to dust and blow away.

 

[Cody Webster]

Ahhh still blaming COVID I see

 

[Ghosts Beer]

No. If he were dead I would not assume that. That is false as usual. Also, those lies would stop.

Your defenses of the Flyers consist mainly of strawman attacks, exaggeration, and outright fabrication. That's because it is impossible to directly and rationally defend the team, so all you can do is twist and distort what people say or pretend they say something else completely.

Beef, you win. I’m tired of this fight. You won.

 

[deadhead]

Ahhh still blaming COVID I see

COVID turned what might have been a 2 year run into a 1 year run, but it didn't change the inevitable decline.
There was some bad luck, but also the lack of depth to sustain the team as the top veterans declined.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Covid only affected the Flyers.
Yes it’s true

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fletcher was right. They had no business promising Giroux they'd give him a new contract at 35, when even Fletcher knew (but couldn't publicly admit) that the team needed to start a rebuild. Same way they had no business signing JG to a 7 year deal, even at a discount. Of course, they shouldn't have signed 28 year old Risto to a 5 year deal, or 26 year old Sanheim to a 8 year deal. But that's what happens when the FO can't decide what strategy it wants to pursue.

The Ghost/Risto move was the one major mistake made by Fletcher. Hayes was an overpay, but that was pushed by Holmgren's insistence he wanted them to try to win now while G's window was open, because with Patrick damaged goods, that meant they had to sign a center. So Duchene (if he'd come), Hayes or bust (there's no evidence Pavelski even considered an Eastern team, and he was 35 at the time, who would have thought he's still be producing 4 years later!). Ellis was just bad luck, Voracek for Atkinson turned out to be a good move.

Fletcher delivered what the advisors wanted, without COVID they might have had a 2 year run or so. But the window was closing in any case.
What made Ghost/Risto bad wasn't losing Ghost, but giving up all those assets when it was obvious to everyone but Scott/Barber that the gig was up.
Trading G was a good move, not trading Risto and Sanheim and trading for TDA made no sense after you trade G, and know Couts is a ??? and Ellis is defunct.
But that would have required the FO to utter the word "rebuild." As we know, if the Advisors do so, they'll all turn to dust and blow away.

You know what's a good way to start a rebuild? Getting an even better return for Giroux, since his contract will be over long before it's a problem.

Fletcher f***ed up everything he touched. This was a massive mistake. He was not right.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Beef, you win. I’m tired of this fight. You won.

So you're mailing me thousands of dollars now right??

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So you're mailing me thousands of dollars now right??

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