Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Magua]

His preoccupation with size and strength and how it matters more than skill and speed

But Tuomaala was an all skill/speed pick. He’s not big or strong — or in possession of functional hockey IQ. Which is sort of the issue in that it doesn’t matter what archetype he targets (although it’s not coincidence Tuomaala was considered a “sniper”). Flahr is a basic evaluator who, in my opinion, is easily misled by shiny attributes and prone to compartmentalizing. I don’t think he’s wedded to size; it’s more that he and Fletcher believe(d) in fit and you need to draft X amount of Type A and Y amount of of Type B, etc. And they had their Type A’s. I bet anything Brink factored into Stankoven.

Tuomaala for example didn’t have a great scoring junior season but had a productive u18s (I say productive and not good because I watched him and came away shrugging). 2 years later, tell me which was the better predictor. This was also the Covid draft year, which he said wasn’t a good draft (it was), and they made the safest picks they watched the most.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

He got hired in June. You posted things said 6 months later after it was clear the team was shit again.

“I think Chuck and I spoke the same language in how we get this fixed quickly."
-June 2022

No new hire is ever going to go against their boss on Day 1, Torts shifted his stance accordingly while Chucky refused any type of rebuild and thought he had a playoff calibre club.

And then he admits later on that they had no idea he struggled so much defensively, meaning they acquired a guy without having a scouting report on him

He pretty much had no choice, what's he suppose to say "TDA sucks, I am horrified that he is on our club and I will have to play him because my GM hasn't given me any reliable players on the blueline"

 

[Tripod]

No new hire is ever going to go against their boss on Day 1, Torts shifted his stance accordingly while Chucky refused any type of rebuild and thought he had a playoff calibre club.



He pretty much had no choice, what's he suppose to say "TDA sucks, I am horrified that he is on our club and I will have to play him because my GM hasn't given me any reliable players on the blueline"

So you are saying this was a lie...yet you agreed.

"Torts said it was a rebuild from Day 1"

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

So you are saying this was a lie...yet you agreed.

"Torts said it was a rebuild from Day 1"

Okay, maybe at the end of month 2 of the regular season...Torts decided to speak more freely.

 

[Deadpool8812]

No new hire is ever going to go against their boss on Day 1, Torts shifted his stance accordingly while Chucky refused any type of rebuild and thought he had a playoff calibre club.



He pretty much had no choice, what's he suppose to say "TDA sucks, I am horrified that he is on our club and I will have to play him because my GM hasn't given me any reliable players on the blueline"

Why not? Torts had no problems throwing any of the young guys under the bus

 

[Adam Warlock]

Torts does not have a thing for goons, that's an urban myth. He has a thing for fundamentals and discipline, but gives offensive players carte blanche to create as long as they back check, cover for D-men on the cycle, and play defense. He's not against skill, he's against skill players who think scoring means they don't have to work hard away from the puck and that fundamentals don't matter.

“There will be some changes that will occur in the next few months,” Briere said. “That’s where having the chance to be on the inside the last two-plus years and dealing with every department on the hockey side, I was able to find out where our strong spots are, where our weaker spots are, and what we need to improve on.

Flyers' "New Era of Orange" Will Be Unlike Any in Franchise History

Danny Briere had seen this tactic before. A veteran reporter asking him one question where the answer is known to set up another question where the answer isn’t as clear. So, on the day he was officially announced as the new GM of the Philadelphia Flyers along with longtime broadcaster Keith...

www.crossingbroad.com

He's got a list of who's naughty and who's nice, but he's checkin' it twice (with Jonesy).

But when you draft a player for skill and offense, you need to prioritize that part of thier game in the early years at the pro level. If a kid puts up ppg numbers at 23 but plays poor defense...the 2 way game will come with time. If you dont let him reach his ppg potential bc you immediately put him in the dog house... he will never be the offensive producer he was drafted to be.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Scott, Barber, Fletcher et al. It was a consensus model with the Advisors collectively giving a lot of input.
Torts was rebuilding, Fletcher was trying to straddle the fence and keep his job.
Notice Torts benched every veteran Fletcher acquired?

Hold on, hold the hell on, when we said they advisors were a problem, you said that the advisors were letting Fletcher and flahr do their thing while they were in Florida sipping on Mai thais or whatever the hell it is

 

[deadhead]

Hold on, hold the hell on, when we said they advisors were a problem, you said that the advisors were letting Fletcher and flahr do their thing while they were in Florida sipping on Mai thais or whatever the hell it is

Huh? What?

As far as TDA, I think Torts felt he could be coached up, and he tried. TDA has those offensive skills y'all drool about, and is a good example what happens when a kid is allowed to develop bad defensive habits b/c he's a good offensive player. TDA has speed, skill, vision, is feisty, showed he can be a top PP QB (on teams with talent), but revealed himself to be uncoachable - just lacks fundamentals and defensive discipline.

You could say that about some other players, Provorov still thinks he's an offensive defenseman, Sanheim has yet to take the next step that would justify his contract, Risto is learning how to play defense after almost a decade in the league. It's easy to blame the talent around them until you see York step in as a rookie and outplay all the veteran D-men.

Torts said this season was about subtraction, identifying the players who aren't in future plans.
Briere has said he has a list of changes he wants to make in the organization.

I'm withholding judgement until I see what they do this summer - this team has needed a thorough shakeup from top to bottom, from players to scouts to development personnel. They started with the medical/training group, let's see who's next.

 

[deadhead]

But when you draft a player for skill and offense, you need to prioritize that part of thier game in the early years at the pro level. If a kid puts up ppg numbers at 23 but plays poor defense...the 2 way game will come with time. If you dont let him reach his ppg potential bc you immediately put him in the dog house... he will never be the offensive producer he was drafted to be.

Actually, if you don't stress fundamentals and discipline from the get go, once some players start putting up points and get paid for it, they never develop a 2 way game. Which is why intangibles are important in scouting, who is focused on winning v stats?

It's much easier to get a rookie struggling for PT to develop good habits than a veteran scoring 50-60 points per year.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers' development process and their quest to strangle all creativity out of all prospects has really churned out success.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

I am indifferent on Briere, his job is pretty straight forward for the next 3 years.

- Get rid of the deadweight veteran contracts
- Draft a few players in the top 10
- Trade 2-3 "core" players (Provorov, Hart, Laughton, etc) and get back some pieces (blue chippers, 1st rounders, etc) to continue to build the future

The question will be, will the "others" in the organization allow it...

That would be a middle of the pack Franchise. Picking 15 in the draft and reach the playoffs every now and then. Not my goal

 

[Starat327]

Hold on, hold the hell on, when we said they advisors were a problem, you said that the advisors were letting Fletcher and flahr do their thing while they were in Florida sipping on Mai thais or whatever the hell it is

Why be wrong once when you can be wrong all the time?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

What did everyone think of the press conference?

Didn’t get to watch the whole thing but a lot of the Chuck/BStBullies haters, are actually complimenting the tone and saying they did a good job with the messaging.

Anyone impressed with how Jones/Briere presented themselves?

I hate the hires but I enjoyed Jonesy’s statement, he feels very authentic. I can appreciate that. Wishing them the best of luck.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Also Torts with the line about former Flyers - please just stop, we need the geezers out of here

 

[Danko]

I actually think it was a better press conference then theyve put together in several years. It was very corporate in the messaging, they continually drilled into the new era of orange tag line.

Torts shouldn't have been there. His only contribution was to insult the fanbase after the rest of the panel spent an abundance of time felating them. Even if your right or believe your right that the fans shouldnt worry about another ex flyer being in charge...then wasn't the moment.

Personally I'm planning on giving Keith a fair chance, same with Danny. If they can agree on removing Hanrahan this summer, that would be fantastic.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

What did everyone think of the press conference?

Didn’t get to watch the whole thing but a lot of the Chuck/BStBullies haters, are actually complimenting the messaging and saying they did a good job with the messaging.

Anyone impressed with how Jones/Briere presented themselves?

I hate the hires but I enjoyed Jonesy’s statement, he feels very authentic. I can appreciate that. Wishing them the best of luck.

Jones has presented himself tremendously, both in that press conference & in subsequent interviews.

 

[Cody Webster]

What did everyone think of the press conference?

Didn’t get to watch the whole thing but a lot of the Chuck/BStBullies haters, are actually complimenting the messaging and saying they did a good job with the messaging.

Anyone impressed with how Jones/Briere presented themselves?

I hate the hires but I enjoyed Jonesy’s statement, he feels very authentic. I can appreciate that. Wishing them the best of luck.

Well Hilferty said he knows nothing about hockey, so that's a good start

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Well Hilferty said he knows nothing about hockey, so that's a good start

Yeah but he’s a “tenacious fan” or whatever the hell it was which meant he knew a lot about hockey.

 

[Tripod]

Why not? Torts had no problems throwing any of the young guys under the bus

Come on....it's perfectly normal for a coach to call a 23 year old in his 1st full NHL season, a toilet seat.

Morgan "toilet seat" Frost.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Jones has presented himself tremendously, both in that press conference & in subsequent interviews.

I gotta listen to the WIP weekend show interview. But yeah, was impressed by him.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I gotta listen to the WIP weekend show interview. But yeah, was impressed by him.

He’s sure no clown, even though he’s sometimes portrayed as such.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

What did everyone think of the press conference?

Didn’t get to watch the whole thing but a lot of the Chuck/BStBullies haters, are actually complimenting the tone and saying they did a good job with the messaging.

Anyone impressed with how Jones/Briere presented themselves?

I hate the hires but I enjoyed Jonesy’s statement, he feels very authentic. I can appreciate that. Wishing them the best of luck.

The Flyers need to put up or shut up at this point, talk is cheap.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

He’s sure no clown, even though he’s sometimes portrayed as such.

Glad to see you’re already eating up the PR from the guy hired to do PR for the team.

 

[Starat327]

Glad to see you’re already eating up the PR from the guy hired to do PR for the team.

Not all hes eating up

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah but he’s a “tenacious fan” or whatever the hell it was which meant he knew a lot about hockey.

A tenacious fan of the advisors. While knowing nothing of the sport. Gee I wonder who he goes to to ask questions?

That "building in the spirit of the 70s" lines is as ominous as it gets too, we all know exactly what that means.