Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[kudymen]

No no...we hired a coach who somehow was rebuilding but the GM wasn't. There is no universe even in the MCU or DCU where that makes any sense

You forgot how also at the same time said coach doesnt want to have any executive input though. Actual friggin multiverse

 

[deadhead]

No no...we hired a coach who somehow was rebuilding but the GM wasn't. There is no universe even in the MCU or DCU where that makes any sense

Sure it does. Reports at the time was CF didn't want Torts, changed his tune only under pressure from the Advisors.

The Advisors thought Torts would crack the whip and make a miraculous turnaround.

Torts looked at this team after the first month and basically said y'all are a bunch of idiots, it's gonna take 5 years to turn this around (longer than my contract). Then he started benching veterans and playing kids.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Scott, Barber, Fletcher et al. It was a consensus model with the Advisors collectively giving a lot of input.
Torts was rebuilding, Fletcher was trying to straddle the fence and keep his job.
Notice Torts benched every veteran Fletcher acquired?

Tortorella was not rebuilding.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ah, so we are once again choosing when and when not to believe ASF’s reporting.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Anything done by Fletcher-Briere is now old news. Do we know if DB would make that move on his own today? That 2021 draft all goes on Fletcher. He wrecked it with his stupid trades. Of course Flahr and his scouts recommended who was selected. That’s why I want to see a new scouting department at pro and amateur levels. Especially beefed up in Europe.

The trades happened because Flahr determined we could skip the draft.

Briere is who he is. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have the job. This team hires only one kind of mind.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sure it does. Reports at the time was CF didn't want Torts, changed his tune only under pressure from the Advisors.

The Advisors thought Torts would crack the whip and make a miraculous turnaround.

Torts looked at this team after the first month and basically said y'all are a bunch of idiots, it's gonna take 5 years to turn this around (longer than my contract). Then he started benching veterans and playing kids.

He did the f***ing opposite of that. He had opportunities to play kids and refused them. The only kids he played were due to injury.

Says a lot that you an only defend the team by lying.

 

[kudymen]

I or you have no idea what is going on within the Flyers organization.

Now allow me to give you extensive stores about what these single executives and coaches do, want, intend.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I can't believe they made Keith Jones the President of Hockey Ops

its soooo completly on brand...

 

[Flyerfan4life]

both Briere and Jones have said we have toughness, now we need skill and youth

that's not rebuilding ??

It's not gonna happen overnight .....so go on and complain your hearts out

you should brace for them NOT adding youth/skill..

but feel free to believe.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I guess the check cleared.

It doesn’t take much for him to support the team given what he’s said over the years on the podcast. He wouldn’t admit Fletcher sucked until they failed to sign Gaudreau.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Posting this clip from Nasty Knuckles because I couldn't help but laugh at Lappy's total nonsense when defending Chuck Fletcher

In this particular clip, he talks about the Risto deal being good because you watch the playoffs right now and defensemen, like RADKO GUDAS, is out there killing people so Risto is a guy you want...But somehow Lappy f***ing neglects to acknowledge that FELCH is the one who TRADED RADKO GUDAS FROM THE FLYERS

I wanna fight Lappy right now. I'd lose, but he's earned a donnybrook from me for this nonsense.

 

[renberg]

The trades happened because Flahr determined we could skip the draft.

Briere is who he is. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have the job. This team hires only one kind of mind.

IDK about this. Once Fletcher decided that he was going to get Ristolainen that first rounder was gone and the draft was sunk. We don’t know what Flahr would have gone with that first rounder since it was gone.
As for Briere, he had no relationship with Tortorella prior to his being hired as coach. It didn’t take long for Torts to realize that this club was not contending for anything but an early draft choice. Briere came to the same conclusion and the two began to form an alliance against the Scott-Fletcher view of things. They’ve been working in tandem ever since.

 

[GKJ]

IDK about this. Once Fletcher decided that he was going to get Ristolainen that first rounder was gone and the draft was sunk. We don’t know what Flahr would have gone with that first rounder since it was gone.
As for Briere, he had no relationship with Tortorella prior to his being hired as coach. It didn’t take long for Torts to realize that this club was not contending for anything but an early draft choice. Briere came to the same conclusion and the two began to form an alliance against the Scott-Fletcher view of things. They’ve been working in tandem ever since.

They said Tuomala was top 20 on their board.

 

[Toonces]

Posting this clip from Nasty Knuckles because I couldn't help but laugh at Lappy's total nonsense when defending Chuck Fletcher

In this particular clip, he talks about the Risto deal being good because you watch the playoffs right now and defensemen, like RADKO GUDAS, is out there killing people so Risto is a guy you want...But somehow Lappy f***ing neglects to acknowledge that FELCH is the one who TRADED RADKO GUDAS FROM THE FLYERS

I wanna fight Lappy right now. I'd lose, but he's earned a donnybrook from me for this nonsense.

Well, at least the President of Hockey Operations isn't that guy.

Small miracles.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Lappy is clueless. He has not done or said anything smart since he's worked for this organization

It doesn’t take much for him to support the team given what he’s said over the years on the podcast. He wouldn’t admit Fletcher sucked until they failed to sign Gaudreau.

Except not signing Gaudreau was one of Fletcher's best moves

 

[renberg]

They said Tuomala was top 20 on their board.

I’m not backing Flahr in any way. His preoccupation with size and strength and how it matters more than skill and speed convinces me that his pick at seven will be Dvorsky just like last year Gauthier was a lock. Maybe these are the best choices. Only time will tell.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Sure it does. Reports at the time was CF didn't want Torts, changed his tune only under pressure from the Advisors.

The Advisors thought Torts would crack the whip and make a miraculous turnaround.

Torts looked at this team after the first month and basically said y'all are a bunch of idiots, it's gonna take 5 years to turn this around (longer than my contract). Then he started benching veterans and playing kids.

Torts said it was a rebuild from Day 1.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Lappy is clueless. He has not done or said anything smart since he's worked for this organization


Except not signing Gaudreau was one of Fletcher's best moves

Yeah I’m not saying it wasn’t, although Fletcher was trying to compete so it made no sense when looking through that lens. Obviously in reality Gaudreau would have just replaced Giroux in putting lipstick on pig with this team going forward.

I’m just saying tho, ASF was defending Fletcher up until that point. He wouldn’t admit things were coming off the rails before that when most sensible people realized that. He’d argue with his co-host a lot who was saying even before then Fletcher was doing a bad job & needed to go.

 

[GKJ]

The advisors thought that Torts would get control of the locker room and steady the ship, the use that to set up to make the playoffs next year. Not unlike what he did in Tampa and Columbus.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Torts said it was a rebuild from Day 1.

Yes, and he reiterated it plenty of times. It was Chucky who was saying the opposite...

February

John Tortorella, Flyers shift this season’s focus to the future: ‘We’re not getting into playoffs’

After losing eight of 10 games in February, Tortorella acknowledged the Flyers will be sellers. “Next year is going to be a grind, too," the coach added. "This is a process. It’s going to take time.”

www.inquirer.com

Tortorella acknowledged the Flyers will be sellers. “Next year is going to be a grind, too,"


December

O'Connor: Whether they like it or not, the Flyers need to call it a rebuild

So far, the Flyers have been terrified to put a label on the organization's direction, even if it should be obvious.

theathletic.com

Where we’re at as a team, we are grassroots, as far as teaching,” Tortorella said. “We are just beginning to teach. Even when we get healthy and get some guys in, we’re just beginning.”

“This isn’t a one-year type of thing,” he continued. “We’ve got some work to do. And it’s gonna take some time, no matter what people want to hear out here. It’s going to take some time to get this right.”

 

[The Rage Kage]

I've been against it for the longest time because I was hesitant to let go of the large pocketbook Comcast provides, but it's clear to me now that the team will never catch up with the times until it is sold.

 

[Tripod]

Since we are posting what Torts said

With Ryan Ellis likely out to start the season, can you rely on DeAngelo as a top-pair defenseman at 5-on-5?

"Yes. I think he's going to be willing to try to understand our coverages. That's what I was so upset about, how some things were said this summer, and I don't think they were totally directed at Tony, but I'm thrilled with that acquisition because I think he can be a better player, too."

 

[Tripod]

Yes, and he reiterated it plenty of times. It was Chucky who was saying the opposite...

February

John Tortorella, Flyers shift this season’s focus to the future: ‘We’re not getting into playoffs’

After losing eight of 10 games in February, Tortorella acknowledged the Flyers will be sellers. “Next year is going to be a grind, too," the coach added. "This is a process. It’s going to take time.”

www.inquirer.com

Tortorella acknowledged the Flyers will be sellers. “Next year is going to be a grind, too,"


December

O'Connor: Whether they like it or not, the Flyers need to call it a rebuild

So far, the Flyers have been terrified to put a label on the organization's direction, even if it should be obvious.

theathletic.com

Where we’re at as a team, we are grassroots, as far as teaching,” Tortorella said. “We are just beginning to teach. Even when we get healthy and get some guys in, we’re just beginning.”

“This isn’t a one-year type of thing,” he continued. “We’ve got some work to do. And it’s gonna take some time, no matter what people want to hear out here. It’s going to take some time to get this right.”

He got hired in June. You posted things said 6 months later after it was clear the team was shit again.

“I think Chuck and I spoke the same language in how we get this fixed quickly."
-June 2022

 

[Deadpool8812]

Since we are posting what Torts said

With Ryan Ellis likely out to start the season, can you rely on DeAngelo as a top-pair defenseman at 5-on-5?

"Yes. I think he's going to be willing to try to understand our coverages. That's what I was so upset about, how some things were said this summer, and I don't think they were totally directed at Tony, but I'm thrilled with that acquisition because I think he can be a better player, too."

And then he admits later on that they had no idea he struggled so much defensively, meaning they acquired a guy without having a scouting report on him

 

[Tripod]

And then he admits later on that they had no idea he struggled so much defensively, meaning they acquired a guy without having a scouting report on him

But surely Shaw fixed him by Dec 7th, right?