Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[04hockey]

t-h-i-s

 

[Cody Webster]

I'm not sure I'd want to trade up, Flyers are in a position where they can accumulate "lottery picks," players with upside who haven't produced due to injury or circumstance but have the talent and intangibles to project a jump in the future.

You think the Flyers will be able to save someone's career? They can't even develop their own players. You expect them to be able to develop someone else's damaged goods? That's hilarious.

After the press conference, Hilferty said there were 100-plus candidates.

"Some of the candidates who have great reputations of their own in hockey, they had a hard and fast way of, 'This is the way I do it, we'll see if the other two meet my standard.' I just didn't view it that way," Hilferty said. "I viewed it as, 'No, no, we want someone with true leadership skills,' but we also wanted someone who understood that we, as an organization, felt that we had the best coach to lead us in this next phase — he's a teacher, he's patient in terms of building the team and he wants to do it the right way. I'm not going to repeat what I said about Danny, but he has those skill sets, he has that leadership capability.

"I got to know Danny, I can tell you from a personal point of view, watching him as a leader, as a well-organized, experienced person in the space, interim tag or not, I can tell you from the first day that we really interacted, I viewed him as the next GM of the Philadelphia Flyers," Hilferty said. "So, the process went on in my head, conversations with Valerie, just watching how he and Torts interacted, we just felt strongly there was no need for a process. We had our general manager."

How Jones hire happened, what has Briere's ‘full attention,' more in takeaways

How the Keith Jones hire happened, what has Danny Briere’s “full attention” and more in five takeaways from the Flyers’ press conference Friday. By Jordan Hall

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Two things stand out, none of this "Torts will whip them into shape" stuff that the advisors pushed,
They see Torts as a teacher who isn't going to push for quick fixes to save his job.

I think what they see in Briere is less his hockey experience/knowledge than his management skills, attention to detail, organized, bright, receptive to different opinions and willing to learn. Corporations expect growing pains when they promote executives, they want people who can grow into the job and excel. It's obvious he impressed Camillo years ago, and has been groomed for the job - he wasn't an impulse hire.

It's not just that they settled for Torts/Briere, it's their vision of a rebuild, they've said repeatedly it's a multi-year process, so there's no pressure to win now, they're willing to let Briere grow into the job.

You're really going to believe that there were over 100 candidates and the best one was Keith Jones?

 

[kudymen]

You think the Flyers will be able to save someone's career? They can't even develop their own players. You expect them to be able to develop someone else's damaged goods? That's hilarious.

If Jakub Vrána got traded to Philadelphia instead of St. Louis, he’d be playing in CZ Pardubice with Sedlák right now

 

[Beef Invictus]

You think the Flyers will be able to save someone's career? They can't even develop their own players. You expect them to be able to develop someone else's damaged goods? That's hilarious.


You're really going to believe that there were over 100 candidates and the best one was Keith Jones?

Weird how he never mentions that the most common question from candidates was "are you selling the team?"

 

[The Madrigal]

Torts was defending Briere and Jones, not the organization.

Things have changed, I mean I have never heard them talk about rebuilding and the need for patience b/c it's going to take years.
Even when Hextall was given permission to "rebuild," they never called it a rebuild and insisted they would remain competitive.
And of course, Holmgren was adamant about not rebuilding when they hired Fletcher, and Barber convinced Scott they could "aggressively reload."

That's far more important than people want to admit, b/c even if you botch the first shot at a rebuild, you still accumulate a lot of resources, it took extreme incompetence by Buffalo to avoid building a good team.

You are 100% correct. The messaging at the PC was very different and it goes back to Danny's PC when he was named interim GM. They talked about patience, doing things the right way, honesty with the fans, and rebuilding. Anyone denying that is very different messaging is just jaded to the point of being unreasonable. That said, I will believe that they will get it right when I see it and hiring Jones doesn't inspire confidence in me at all.

 

[Rebels57]

The allegedly rebuilding Flyers pick at #7, and then don’t pick again until #87.

Chuck Fletcher Masterclass.

 

[The Madrigal]

We had the third worst offense last year b/c JVR and Hayes have declined and were bad fits, Atkinson and Couts were hurt, Farabee was never 100%, and they made a deliberate decision to keep Foerster in the AHL the second half of the season (not that they'd tank, but they might just not do everything possible to win games).

I don't think they'll have a great offense next year, but they will have more talent. Foerster, Desnoyers, maybe Brink, Zamula and Attard on defense. A prospect or two from trades who are close to the NHL.

It would be nice to pick up a top offensive talent in the draft, but that player won't be in Philly for at least a year and maybe two (as we've seen with Gauthier, there's no urgency to rush players to Philly, again, they're not tanking, but . . . ). I don't see them pushing to add a lot of offense next year (no big money FAs, no rushing kids, and so on).

They need help everywhere but between current players and prospects they have way more talent on offense. They don't have a single defenseman on their roster who would be top four on the vast majority of the playoff teams in this league. Provorov and Sanheim are both frauds. Risto is a 3rd pairing defenseman. DaAngelo is Ghost 2.0 on the ice and a problem off of it. York might be the best D they have right now but he still has a lot of work to do. That being said, I wouldn't draft a defenseman at 7 just to draft one if the value isn't there and it appears it isn't.

 

[Starat327]

Why am I not surprised to see thus name show up now.

 

[deadhead]

So, we have a lurker?

That said, Hilferty admitted that it’s on the Flyers to change the minds of doubters, who he sees and acknowledges.

“There’s going to be naysayers,” he said. “I understand that. I read it. I read everything — well, not everything, there’s some things I won’t. But the proof will be in the pudding.”

 

[kudymen]

Why am I not surprised to see thus name show up now.

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Honestly, seeing those certain trolling posts without response, it feels like someone finally remembered their burner’s password

 

[deadhead]

You think the Flyers will be able to save someone's career? They can't even develop their own players. You expect them to be able to develop someone else's damaged goods? That's hilarious.


You're really going to believe that there were over 100 candidates and the best one was Keith Jones?

Depends what you mean by "best."
I think given they had committed to Briere as GM with final authority on personnel, it was more about fit than the "best hockey man."

 

[FLYguy3911]

I still cannot believe Hilferty tried to tell us that these were the best two candidates. They just coincidentally happened to be former Flyers. And then the lecture from Torts to top it off. Briere? Ok, you can at least talk yourself into him being competent. Did you really have to double up with Keith Jones?

Why am I not surprised to see thus name show up now.

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Damn. @VladDrag catching a stray.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You are 100% correct. The messaging at the PC was very different and it goes back to Danny's PC when he was named interim GM. They talked about patience, doing things the right way, honesty with the fans, and rebuilding. Anyone denying that is very different messaging is just jaded to the point of being unreasonable. That said, I will believe that they will get it right when I see it and hiring Jones doesn't inspire confidence in me at all.

Any rebuild starts with replacing the whole front office. Until that happens, they aren't rebuilding. Nobody running this team is capable of building a team, so they have to get replaced with someone who can.

 

[The Madrigal]

Any rebuild starts with replacing the whole front office. Until that happens, they aren't rebuilding. Nobody running this team is capable of building a team, so they have to get replaced with someone who can.

No, that's your idea of what a rebuild is. If you want to make a point that you don't trust those in power to do the rebuild properly then we can have a conversation because I would tend to agree with you. Reinventing what an on ice rebuild is because you hate the organization doesn't make it factually correct though.

It is clear based on messaging that they realize their on ice product is a joke and the fans have finally had it. There is a very clear difference between Scott and Fletcher constantly gaslighting the fans and sending mixed messages, and the messaging that has been consistently given since Briere became interim GM about patience, transparency with the fans, and not being afraid to use the word rebuild.

I am neither super duper on board with what's going on, nor all doom and gloom. I think hiring Jones is a joke and concerning and it's not because he's a former Flyer but because he's a TV guy. The narrative that hiring former Flyers is automatically bad is lazy since the last guy was from outside the organization and was a dumpster fire. Either way, being transparent with fans and committing to a rebuild is certainly an improvement over the Fletcher/Scott era which will end up being the worst era in this franchise's history.

 

[kudymen]

Can’t wait for @JojoTheWhale to become back online, well rested and see this

 

[Beef Invictus]

No, that's your idea of what a rebuild is. If you want to make a point that you don't trust those in power to do the rebuild properly then we can have a conversation because I would tend to agree with you. Reinventing what an on ice rebuild is because you hate the organization doesn't make it factually correct though.

It is clear based on messaging that they realize their on ice product is a joke and the fans have finally had it. There is a very clear difference between Scott and Fletcher constantly gaslighting the fans and sending mixed messages, and the messaging that has been consistently given since Briere became interim GM about patience, transparency with the fans, and not being afraid to use the word rebuild.

I am neither super duper on board with what's going on, nor all doom and gloom. I think hiring Jones is a joke and concerning and it's not because he's a former Flyer but because he's a TV guy. The narrative that hiring former Flyers is automatically bad is lazy since the last guy was from outside the organization and was a dumpster fire. Either way, being transparent with fans and committing to a rebuild is certainly an improvement over the Fletcher/Scott era which will end up being the worst era in this franchise's history.

You'll be doom and gloom soon enough. The Redskins showed me this exact kind of clown show for years. I know exactly how this will go. You will see.

Edit: for ages now you have accused me of being too pessimistic during this bottomless downward spiral, and every time it's turned out I'm being accurate.

 

[Embiid]

May is Mental Awareness Month...let us be fully aware of the "whack jobs" in the Flyers front office and the ownership and pray for them for they know not what they do...

 

[04hockey]

both Briere and Jones have said we have toughness, now we need skill and youth

that's not rebuilding ??

It's not gonna happen overnight .....so go on and complain your hearts out

 

[Beef Invictus]

both Briere and Jones have said we have toughness, now we need skill and youth

that's not rebuilding ??

It's not gonna happen overnight .....so go on and complain your hearts out

Tortorella, who they are building the team around like idiots, has said they don't need skill and instead they need 10-12 goal PK specialists.

Jones' idea of skill is Robert Hagg.

 

[kudymen]

Tortorella, who they are building the team around like idiots, has said they don't need skill and instead they need 10-12 goal PK specialists.

Jones' idea of skill is Robert Hagg.

Dude. He made about seventh same post and finally someone replied. Why do you do that

 

[Tripod]

The allegedly rebuilding Flyers pick at #7, and then don’t pick again until #87.

Meanwhile Detroit will have picked 6 times in the top 73.

I wonder which successful rebuild is more likely.

 

[renberg]

Comcast isn’t selling. They have a corporate way of looking at and doing things. It looks like they want a consensus style of operation. Hilferty, Camillo, Briere, Tortorella and Jones seem like they can play fairly with each other in the sandbox. That is what Brian Roberts wants. Ultimately he runs the show and it’s his toy to control.
We will see who can do what and when as time goes by. Until things happen that can be evaluated it’s time to sit back and wait. If they do stupid stuff then they can be judged. Until then it’s a clean slate. The organization has performed badly in the past but that’s not these new guys. But as Bill Bradlee once said, “f*** up again and I’m going to get mad”

 

[Kelmitchell2]

So snow the goalie said Jones has a whole compilation of hot mics and him saying which players weren't worth keeping and so on, however I haven't been able to find it anywhere, can anyone confirm this to be true? I know him and Jackson both had the hot mic about weal and weise, but other than that I've never heard anything like that, besides the way he talks on air which isn't helping the case of this being a smart hire

 

[Tarpongg]

Meanwhile Detroit will have picked 6 times in the top 73.

I wonder which successful rebuild is more likely.

This is what kills me. The generational draft no one in this dog crap franchise saw coming

 

[deadhead]

Meanwhile Detroit will have picked 6 times in the top 73.

I wonder which successful rebuild is more likely.

Check back after we start a rebuild. That was the whole point of the reorganization, the last FO refused to rebuild.