Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Rebels57]

Seravalli believes Torts will absolutely have say on what free agents are signed. I'm now expecting a 4 year deal for Foligno at 12:01 on July 1st lol

 

[FLYguy3911]

Seravallis believes Torts will absolutely have say on what free agents are signed. I'm now expecting a 4 year deal for Foligno at 12:01 on July 1st lol

Pretty sure he hates Torts so we got that going for us.

 

[Larry44]

Seravallis believes Torts will absolutely have say on what free agents are signed. I'm now expecting a 4 year deal for Foligno at 12:01 on July 1st lol

Hilferty/Camillo put the team in Torts' hands. He's a coach who no one wanted, but rather than look for someone good, they are running with ChusterChuck's pick. Then they made sure the new GM would keep him which is unusual - to saddle a new GM with a leftover coach. Finally, after a piddling search, in which qualified candidates told them the above hires were a fait accompli, they hired a broadcaster with no credentials and who no other team would have considered for job. No wonder we're cynical.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

You have to give credit to Torts though. He’s an opportunist. The same way you have to give credit to AV. They knew this organization was full of buffoons who they’d be able to placate and manipulate and take advantage of to get paid. Torts’ timing was just better allowing him to gain more power. The end product is just as bad. But there was at least the semblance of a competitive roster on paper when AV was here.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Coach. Assistant GM, and spiritual leader.

What could go wrong.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

You have to give credit to Torts though. He’s an opportunist. The same way you have to give credit to AV. They knew this organization was full of buffoons who they’d be able to placate and manipulate and take advantage of to get paid. Torts’ timing was just better allowing him to gain more power. The end product is just as bad. But there was at least the semblance of a competitive roster on paper when AV was here.

100% accuracy. of all the things i blame Torts for. that isnt one.

good for him for taking advantage of a shit Org. to stupid to see past the 70s.

 

[Danko]

Really hope they stop using the word triumvirate

 

[Garbage Goal]

Really hope they stop using the word triumvirate

If you can’t be smart, use words that make you sound smart I guess.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

If the future plan is to move Torts into management, they should do it now and make him consultant or whatever... and then let Briere find a new coach...it is a little convoluted.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Look at the construct of the top 4/5 teams remaining and see how Edmonton has done... they had four 1st overalls in six years and haven't past the semis.

Tanking hard does not always mean success.

This is why a rebuild requires cleaning the entirety of management out first.

 

[Beef Invictus]

And the Leafs had Matthews. And Marner. And Tavares. And Nylander. And Rielly. And Dubas.

And moron Dave Hakstol has a second-year expansion team with no names a game away from the conference final.

Ah so he was indeed a failure here?

 

[kudymen]

It was funny to watch someone act like they get away from trolling and smugness and then blow it with a "I cheer for Hakstol, love what he improved" scream

 

[Bigkarl]

You have to give credit to Torts though. He’s an opportunist. The same way you have to give credit to AV. They knew this organization was full of buffoons who they’d be able to placate and manipulate and take advantage of to get paid. Torts’ timing was just better allowing him to gain more power. The end product is just as bad. But there was at least the semblance of a competitive roster on paper when AV was here.

Less about Tort's being an opportunist, and more about the Flyers being the only team that called him. I don't recall reading that any other team had any consideration for hiring him.

 

[Curufinwe]

Less about Tort's being an opportunist, and more about the Flyers being the only team that called him. I don't recall reading that any other team had any consideration for hiring him.

Yeah, I don't blame Torts for taking $16,000,000 from a bunch of idiots.

 

[Rebels57]

Less about Tort's being an opportunist, and more about the Flyers being the only team that called him. I don't recall reading that any other team had any consideration for hiring him.

But now he sees what he is dealing with and the prospects at longer-term employment beyond coaching. He will absolutely move into management whenever he wants to. He has Hilferty and company eating out of the palm of his hand.

 

[Magua]

The nutty thing is someone like Sullivan (or insert coach) would have the entire league busting down his door if he was available.

Was there a single other team that would’ve hired Tortorella? He had a year off vomiting on his sweater vest on ESPN. Power is usually proportional to outside interest. Because if we don’t give it to you, someone else will. But with Torts, there likely was no one else. He’s a 1 year coach of the 7th worst team in the league who took the only job offered.

Not that we needed to know this team is ass backwards and licking their lips for a false prophet…..

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah, I don't blame Torts for taking $16,000,000 from a bunch of idiots.

I dunno man, Torts doesn't need the money so I don't think he's doing it for the money. He's doing it to secure his spot in the HHoF.

*fartnoise.mp3*

 

[deadhead]

Seravalli believes Torts will absolutely have say on what free agents are signed. I'm now expecting a 4 year deal for Foligno at 12:01 on July 1st lol

I hope he does, it would be kinda stupid for a GM to sign a FA that his HC doesn't want.
It's unlikely they sign any FA to a 4 year deal.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Less about Tort's being an opportunist, and more about the Flyers being the only team that called him. I don't recall reading that any other team had any consideration for hiring him.

Wasted money on a consulting firm for that hire as well.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I hope he does, it would be kinda stupid for a GM to sign a FA that his HC doesn't want.
It's unlikely they sign any FA to a 4 year deal.

It's the HC's job to figure out how to use the players they have as best as possible, not to throw a toddler tantrum over them.

Tortorella's grasp of hockey is self-satirizing. If Briere is catering to him we should just skip to the part where everyone is fired, because this is going to fail.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

When you attack everything, your credibility is lost.

Shall we go through the pages swearing Fletcher was fleeced by Zito?
For 28 game of Giroux headed to FA, Flyers got a 23 year old forward who scored 27 goals, a 3rd in this year's draft and a 1st next year.
I doubt they could have done better.
Did that make Fletcher a genius, nah. But he wasn't taken to the cleaner's either.

There is something called "nuance." Many of their mistakes were driven by bad strategy, trying to win now, worked in 2019 b/c they still had a core of players in their peak years, but that window was closing. When it closed, they refused to recognize it.
Do I think Fletcher f---ked up? Sure. Do I think he was pressured into bad moves by the FO refusing to accept reality? Sure.

I don't get the anomisity toward Torts. Like I said, look what they do, not what they say (he fires off the cuff, that's his MO).
By the end of the year, starting 9 included Frost, Tippett, Farabee, Cates and York. He may have pushed them hard, but he played them.
Frost finished the season scoring at a 2C pace, so much for "suppressing" his offense.
I think Torts would have started Foerster and kept Ersson, but they were right to send them to LHV, b/c the team didn't need to finish any stronger.
Next year those two plus Desnoyers, Zamula and Attard are likely to be on the team, Lycksell will get a shot at winning a job.

The problem isn't playing young talent, it's having enough NHL ready talent to play.

They've attacked everything, because everything has been bad, the Ellis trade people liked, it turned out bad for obvious reasons, everyone disliked tda trade, we've been right on that front, we said Torts wouldn't play the kids unless injuries occurred, that's the reason they played, we also hated the trade for risto which even you agreed was a bad move, then they doubled down and resigned him, giving sanhiem that contract was a bad move that was criticized because we could have gotten more for him at the deadline to help with the rebuilding process, again they failed to do so, chuckles even admitted to only making a few calls during the trade deadline, which was rightfully attacked, so what decision shouldn't have been attacked? What Is the reason for hope and for fans to forget they're complaints have fallen on deaf ears for a decade +

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You know what else is kind of stupid? Hiring a coach and then a year later hire a Chairman, then a GM, then a President.

And during that process have it come out that the reason that one of the main reasons they liked Briere was because he was ok with Tortorella being the coach and other candidates wouldn't have been.

GREAT franchise. Much success. Much praise.

 

[deadhead]

They liked Briere period, He has a similar background to Sakic and Yzerman, former star player who was groomed for a few years, then given the keys to the kingdom. Doesn't mean he'll work out, but it's obvious he is the key actor, if he really didn't want Torts around, something would have been worked out.

Torts plays kids, he's done that at every stop - what he doesn't do is play all the kids, they have to earn PT. He doesn't coddle them, but he doesn't defer to veterans either, he benched almost every veteran on this team at one point or another.

 

[kudymen]

We are still going with the "a few years"?

 

[Beef Invictus]

They liked Briere period, He has a similar background to Sakic and Yzerman, former star player who was groomed for a few years, then given the keys to the kingdom. Doesn't mean he'll work out, but it's obvious he is the key actor, if he really didn't want Torts around, something would have been worked out.

Torts plays kids, he's done that at every stop - what he doesn't do is play all the kids, they have to earn PT. He doesn't coddle them, but he doesn't defer to veterans either, he benched almost every veteran on this team at one point or another.

He won't work out. He isn't similar to Yzerman or Sakic, because if he had competent ideas the Flyers would hate him. That's why they hire people like Fletcher, AV, Tortorella, Jones, Flahr, and Briere. And not someone like Timonen.