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Speculation: Keeping Ck

Do you want to keep Chris Kreider?

  • Yes, hes my captain

    Votes: 25 11.0%

  • Yes, if we can afford him

    Votes: 93 41.0%

  • No, he will bail as a UFA

    Votes: 32 14.1%

  • No, hes replacable

    Votes: 77 33.9%
  • Total voters
    227
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Guys, it's simple. Kreider is a good and valuable player with a skillset that is unique on this team. Were he signed at his current cap hit, or even at Zibanejad's, for 3-4 more years, you'd have to pry him from Gorton's cold, dead hands.

Unfortunately, he's not. Rather, he's going into the final year of his contract, after which he'll require a significant increase in both AAV and term, carrying him into very dangerous territory in the life of an NHL player, and in particular one who plays his style.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
I get that Buch is younger and shows flashes but they now have other guys that do/will do what Buch does even better. They don't have another guy like Kreider. He adds something to the top 6 that Buch doesn't. I hate making this situation an either or but which player's skill set will be missed more or harder to replace the next few seasons, Kreider's or Buch's?
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Do you project Kreider to keep his attributes at the current level for the next 8 years (1+7) at $7m? Would you project Buch to bring his current attributes with some more room for growth in the next (e.g.) 5 years at $4.5m?
 
kovazub94 said:
Do you project Kreider to keep his attributes at the current level for the next 8 years (1+7) at $7m? Would you project Buch to bring his current attributes with some more room for growth in the next (e.g.) 5 years at $4.5m?
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First off, I think he can be signed for $6.5 x 6 years. If he's happy here and wants to be part of the future, they can work something out that's fair for both sides. If his ask is crazy, trade him. As far as if he will hold up, I don't know. It's a risk you take with every contract. But the guy keeps himself in tremendous shape and he'll always be a handful in front of the net. Also, I have absolutely nothing against Buch, he's a good player but with Kravtsov, Kakko and Panarin here, I'd rather see someone like Kreider, if not Kreider, in the top 6. He just gives the them a different look and could make either rookie's transition into the league easier. If they can't make an extra two million a year work until all the bad contracts come off the books in two seasons, I think they kinda screwed up.
 
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kovazub94 said:
And that's why Gorton and Co. are getting paid to be able to make such decisions. Very easy to push it down the line and deal with cap issues due to higher $$ for upcoming UFAs.
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Yes sir. Its a tough decision, but you have to be SURE of what you're getting yourself into. Nothing is 100%, but if you sign him kind of long term (4-6 or 7 years) and being RIGHT in that decision, then maybe it becomes a bargain......and that's what winning teams do. Works towards sustainability.
 
Larrybiv said:
Yes sir. Its a tough decision, but you have to be SURE of what you're getting yourself into. Nothing is 100%, but if you sign him kind of long term (4-6 or 7 years) and being RIGHT in that decision, then maybe it becomes a bargain......and that's what winning teams do. Works towards sustainability.
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Nothing is sure other than... All decisions will be based on level of risk for each option vs expected benefit and likelihood.
 
I am all for starting the season with him.

I think he will increase his trade value by playing with the talent we have in this top 6. That is my belief.

I would rather move him at the deadline.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
First off, I think he can be signed for $6.5 x 6 years. If he's happy here and wants to be part of the future, they can work something out that's fair for both sides. If his ask is crazy, trade him. As far as if he will hold up, I don't know. It's a risk you take with every contract. But the guy keeps himself in tremendous shape and he'll always be a handful in front of the net. Also, I have absolutely nothing against Buch, he's a good player but with Kravtsov, Kakko and Panarin here, I'd rather see someone like Kreider, if not Kreider, in the top 6. He just gives the them a different look and could make either rookie's transition into the league easier. If they can't make an extra two million a year work until all the bad contracts come off the books in two seasons, I think they kinda screwed up.
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I think they KNOW exactly what they are going to do already. Its just that WE don't know. They knew grabbing Panarin would present certain issues. They have to have a contingency plan. Otherwise they wouldn't have done it. Again, its just that we don't KNOW what they are going to do. I wish someone would let the cat out of the bag already. Shit or get off the pot.
If they indeed are going to trade him......they had better do it in this off season. Main reason is that they need not be faced with potential PO's AND being forced into keeping him. (Like above said)
 
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RGY said:
I am all for starting the season with him.

I think he will increase his trade value by playing with the talent we have in this top 6. That is my belief.

I would rather move him at the deadline.
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Agree to disagree. Regardless of what he brings this season with better talent surrounding........the league knows what he brings, whether he has a good season or not. In fact, what if he doesnt produce? Injury? Could only go down, we saw what we DIDN'T get for Zuccha and even Hayes for that matter. Sell high now, and dont risk injury.......if we absolutely are going to trade him.
Or, just sign him now and avoid it being any type of distraction.
 
so most think Kreider for prospects or resign?...............not a trade for a 2nd line C?

I proposed RNH who has 2 yrs left so won't be protected at expansion..........they can resign him if they want after ..............Kreider and Names only have 1 yr left but the Oilers can use McDavid and Draisaitl at C and they could use wingers more even if they are on 1 yr deals.........its only a yr and its a 2 good players for 1 deal
 
I can't see Kreider coming into camp with out a contract extension.

Hes either traded (most likely) or Buch is traded and Kreider is extended.

Vitto79 said:
so most think Kreider for prospects or resign?...............not a trade for a 2nd line C?

I proposed RNH who has 2 yrs left so won't be protected at expansion..........they can resign him if they want after ..............Kreider and Names only have 1 yr left but the Oilers can use McDavid and Draisaitl at C and they could use wingers more even if they are on 1 yr deals.........its only a yr and its a 2 good players for 1 deal
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Ew.

This is not a hole that we need to rush to fill.
 
Larrybiv said:
I think they KNOW exactly what they are going to do already. Its just that WE don't know. They knew grabbing Panarin would present certain issues. They have to have a contingency plan. Otherwise they wouldn't have done it. Again, its just that we don't KNOW what they are going to do. I wish someone would let the cat out of the bag already. **** or get off the pot.
If they indeed are going to trade him......they had better do it in this off season. Main reason is that they need not be faced with potential PO's AND being forced into keeping him. (Like above said)
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For sure. Things can always change but they definitely have a plan.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I can't see Kreider coming into camp with out a contract extension.

Hes either traded (most likely) or Buch is traded and Kreider is extended.



Ew.

This is not a hole that we need to rush to fill.
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So play Chytil, Howden, Andersson and hopes one does well and move Kreider out for a 1st and prospect like Hayes? ..........I am ok with that but not sure Kreider is moved in the offseason and if the team does well they risk him beign an own rental and walking at yrs end.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Guys, it's simple. Kreider is a good and valuable player with a skillset that is unique on this team. Were he signed at his current cap hit, or even at Zibanejad's, for 3-4 more years, you'd have to pry him from Gorton's cold, dead hands.

Unfortunately, he's not. Rather, he's going into the final year of his contract, after which he'll require a significant increase in both AAV and term, carrying him into very dangerous territory in the life of an NHL player, and in particular one who plays his style.
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Well said.

I have 2 soft spots for Kreider. First, he'd probably be a good veteran presence for this young team. Secondly, we'll miss his speed (when he actually decides to use it) and miss his net front presence.

Neither of these things come close to justifying the money and term he'll command.
 
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Kreider is a good player and if I could keep him I would.

I just feel like re-signing him is a very risky move that will likely contribute to one of the kids becoming a cap casualty, like half of Chicago’s younger players.
 
Vitto79 said:
so most think Kreider for prospects or resign?...............not a trade for a 2nd line C?

I proposed RNH who has 2 yrs left so won't be protected at expansion..........they can resign him if they want after ..............Kreider and Names only have 1 yr left but the Oilers can use McDavid and Draisaitl at C and they could use wingers more even if they are on 1 yr deals.........its only a yr and its a 2 good players for 1 deal
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how are you fitting his $6 mil salary? and not needing to protect him in the expansion draft isn't a positive in my books, if I'm dealing kreider I want the return to be around longer than 2 years.
 
I dont even see how we can keep Kreider for this season, let alone beyond. Where is the cap space for Trouba, Tony D and Buch???
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Well said.

I have 2 soft spots for Kreider. First, he'd probably be a good veteran presence for this young team. Secondly, we'll miss his speed (when he actually decides to use it) and miss his net front presence.

Neither of these things come close to justifying the money and term he'll command.
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I like Kreider too. I think he's a very good player and a good influence. I don't think he's a leader though. He doesn't have a killer instinct, so to speak. Unfortunately, what makes a good person isn't really what makes a captain in the NHL. Just my sense, of course
 
JT Kreider said:
I dont even see how we can keep Kreider for this season, let alone beyond. Where is the cap space for Trouba, Tony D and Buch???
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we need to clear cap space but it doesn't have to be kreider...there are about 275 pages worth of roster building threads since panarin signed discussion all the possible ways to clear cap space
 
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ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
Self renting Kreider would be the dumbest thing ever.
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Aye. It would be. However, if they’re two points from a playoff spot then do they have the stones to move him for futures pissing off a large portion of the fan base and locker room.

It’s clear that the timing for the Rangers to move him is now, but what if the right deal isn’t available yet... ?
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I can't see Kreider coming into camp with out a contract extension..
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It’s not the NFL. If he’s still on the roster then he’ll be there.

Unless you mean on the teams side of things... in which case you might be disappointed. I do not see him being resigned regardless and if they are fielding garbage offers then they may have to wait it out.

It sounds like they tried and failed to land a 2019 first at the draft. I’m not sold on anyone giving up a 2020 1st prior to the start of the season.
 
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Leetch3 said:
we need to clear cap space but it doesn't have to be kreider...there are about 275 pages worth of roster building threads since panarin signed discussion all the possible ways to clear cap space
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And the majority of them are unrealistic. There is no reason for any other team to take on Namestnikov or Shattenkirk with the league wide cap crunch going on and buying out Staal or Smith is a horrible idea. We would be out from under those contracts in time for any potential big extensions, any dead cap beyond 2021 is so unnecessary
 
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