Speculation: Keeping Ck

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Do you want to keep Chris Kreider?

  • Yes, hes my captain

    Votes: 25 11.0%
  • Yes, if we can afford him

    Votes: 93 41.0%
  • No, he will bail as a UFA

    Votes: 32 14.1%
  • No, hes replacable

    Votes: 77 33.9%

  • Total voters
    227
  • Poll closed .
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I think our chances of keeping Kreider into the 20-21 season are about at 5%. We'd almost need someone to take Shattenkirk off our hands without us taking salary back.....and maybe even then Chris would have to give us a discount to sign back up.

The thing is we don't know what Kreider would want to stay beyond next year and there's a pretty decent chance the Rangers aren't all that sure either--so we could trade a bunch of guys off like Namestnikov or Buchnevich--maybe DeAngelo or Strome and Kreider ends up leaving us anyway because he decides he wants to test the market. We have $9 mil or so (subtract half of Beleskey) to work with and the priority isn't Chris---it's Trouba who I would guess is going to take $7.5 of it.

For Kreider--it's business--life as a hockey player to get moved at least once during your career. For fans--anyone who has been a fan should know by now that players move on--even favorite players. It's not great but it's not quite as bad as losing your pet dog. People should put some perspective to it. We traded Brian Leetch ffs. The world didn't end.

mostly agree, but if we are not casual about moving the vet deadwood, we can manage to extend Chris sooner than later and that avoids the scenario described.
However, if we wait to the last min, then yes, we are putting more power in the player's hands.

He can tell us extending is moot if we don't have the cap space, and we can live with flipping the guys indicated for a decent return, or less in case of undesirables, so do that and we'll know sooner than later if he'll extend.
And if he won't commit to a reasonable deal with us once we have cap space, then we have balance of this year to move him.
 
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Again, were assuming that contract will be north of say 7 based off what others received. If #20 wants to get paid, he will. Teams will pony-up. If #20 wants to be a part of the long term here in NY he might take less. Looking at how this club is shaping up, he might want to stay.
I agree with this. People are discounting Kreider taking something around $6.5 to remain a part of the franchise.
 
We spent Kreider's next contract money on Panarin and Trouba, it's not happening.
By that thinking, you can say the same thing about Buch. Even if he gets bridged to a 2 year deal, what are the chances that he is not looking for similar dollars after that?
 
I agree with this. People are discounting Kreider taking something around $6.5 to remain a part of the franchise.
Still too much.
By that thinking, you can say the same thing about Buch. Even if he gets bridged to a 2 year deal, what are the chances that he is not looking for similar dollars after that?
It's unlikely he will put up numbers that command anywhere near 6M but if he does then we do what we do with Kreider this year, we trade him.
 
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You can't just keep trading everyone. Eventually you need a support cast.
True but we aren't trading everyone. We still have players signed to long contracts..Trouba (well soon?), Panarin, Skjei, Zib. It's unfortunate, but sometimes because cap management we can't keep everyone. We have to think about the future when our young stars will be looking for their 2nd contracts. Would hate to lose a Kratsov/Kakko/Shestsorkin/Miller etc because we signed Kreider and Buch to 6M+ contracts.
 
True but we aren't trading everyone. We still have players signed to long contracts..Trouba (well soon?), Panarin, Skjei, Zib. It's unfortunate, but sometimes because cap management we can't keep everyone. We have to think about the future when our young stars will be looking for their 2nd contracts. Would hate to lose a Kratsov/Kakko/Shestsorkin/Miller etc because we signed Kreider and Buch to 6M+ contracts.

While you are certainly correct about salary cap management, Buchnevich won't cost $6 million (yet). Kreider also only costs $4.6 million next season, that is still a major asset to the organization. We also don't know what all those players will need long term. For all we know, maybe Lias, Chytil and Howden don't ever make significant jumps, but rather become good support players. See Colorado: Kerfoot, Jost, Compher, etc.

They're projected to have $40+ million in cap space in two seasons, and if the cap jumps again, more. They should be OK. The priority should be bridging Buch/Deangelo/Lemieux to fair contracts ($7-8 million), signing Trouba long term, and then figuring out what they need to do on top of trading Namestnikov to get under for next season. I would attach an asset or two to get rid of Smith's contract; sacrificing a 2nd/3rd + prospect, redundant assets which they have PLENTY of now, is worth it (would do the same thing to retain on Shattenkirk).

The Rangers have drafted, traded for, and signed in FA their new "core group" of players -- Zibanejad, Panarin, Trouba, Miller, Kravtsov, Kakko, Lias/Chytil, Shestorkin, etc. Now is the time to make sure they develop properly while retaining the winning environment. Trading Kreider for a 2nd + prospect, while retaining all three of Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk heading into opening night makes competing for a playoff spot tougher, when they have a path to make it happen sooner.
 
I agree with this. People are discounting Kreider taking something around $6.5 to remain a part of the franchise.

The term is more of a concern than the cap hit. 6 mil, 6.5 or 7, it doesn't matter if he wants 7 years.
 
I'd contemplate trading Skjei if it meant keeping Kreider.
I would want another year of data on the younger guys before moving Skjei. We have one good NHL D, Trouba, and he isn’t signed yet. We have another, DeAngelo, who is at least third pairing. Everyone else isn’t in the NHL yet, and I think there’s more volatility than there is with projecting forwards.
 
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Would hate to lose a Kratsov/Kakko/Shestsorkin/Miller etc because we signed Kreider and Buch to 6M+ contracts.
Completely agree. Hard choices will have to be made. At the current juncture, I think there is a way for Kreider to be here and be gone by the time the players you mention will be up for big contracts. Managing the capital structure is very important. It will probably mean that some of the assets gathered will also need to be moved at some point.

The contracts that are due up in two years cannot possibly come off the books quickly enough. I have no hope that any of the 3s can be traded.
 
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The term is more of a concern than the cap hit. 6 mil, 6.5 or 7, it doesn't matter if he wants 7 years.
Agreed. I would say that 7 years is a non starter. That said, IF a Buch & Names can be moved and IF Kreider agrees to a very limited NTC/NMC, 6 years around $6.5 can be manageable.
 
Bear with me...

Trouba 7x7.750
Buchnevich 4x4.625
DeAngelo 2x2.275
Lemieux 2x1.200

Buy-out Staal
Trade Namestnikov for whatever, as long as there is no salary retained
Send Smith to Hartford

This leaves the team a few thousand dollars under the cap.
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Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Panarin - Chytil - Kakko
Andersson - Strome - Kravtsov
Lemieux - Howden - Fast
Nieves

Skjei - Trouba
DeAngelo - Fox
Hajek - Shattenkirk

Lundqvist
Georgiev
 
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I think it's highly unlikely we keep him for this season and I don't see any scenario where we re-sign him.

I don't dislike him but we no longer have room, and his next contract is going to be a bad one for whoever signs it. Plus in a couple years we're going to need our cap space to start signing our rookies to second contracts.
Sorry I am singling you out, many others have said this.
I tend to disagree. Kreider really isnt injury prone (thus far) he will ALWAYS be big and strong and even if he loses a step he will still be fast and still be that net front presence.

At the end of a 7x7 he will be 36 not 40! With rising cap and salaries that might actually become a bargain for what he brings........someday. I personally believe there will be many teams willing to give him that. You don't think the Bruins would have lived to have him on their 2nd line and on PP?

Speaking of the Bruins, what a bad break losing Nasher he might have helped them win it. Waaah friggin waaah. Cry, sob, cry. Lol
 
We spent Kreider's next contract money on Panarin and Trouba, it's not happening. The best thing we could do is trade Kreider for a 1st in next years draft and lose his salary totally.
I am all for keeping him, but "if" we trade him, they need to trade him far away from the East (don't want to see him more than twice a season) a place like Vancouver. Get their 1st, likely to be a good pick.
Better yet, to Edmonton + for Draisatl. That will take care of our hole at center. Lol.
 
True but we aren't trading everyone. We still have players signed to long contracts..Trouba (well soon?), Panarin, Skjei, Zib. It's unfortunate, but sometimes because cap management we can't keep everyone. We have to think about the future when our young stars will be looking for their 2nd contracts. Would hate to lose a Kratsov/Kakko/Shestsorkin/Miller etc because we signed Kreider and Buch to 6M+ contracts.
I get what your saying an you are right to a point. There should still be available money, but we simply cannot afford having bad contracts that we have oh and we are still paying Girardi......correct? This is what is killing us, we need to shed at least one, somehow, some way.
 
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