2024-25 EPL Season

[hatterson]

In 2 years he started 45 games and played 3500 minutes in the league (39 90s). He had 17g + 12a and was MOTM 8 times. That was while he was 20 and 21. That's not too bad.

United clearly overpaid for him and he's been hot trash playing for them, but he definitely was showing promise while at Ajax.

 

[Evilo]

In 2 years he started 45 games and played 3500 minutes in the league (39 90s). He had 17g + 12a and was MOTM 8 times. That was while he was 20 and 21. That's not too bad.

United clearly overpaid for him and he's been hot trash playing for them, but he definitely was showing promise while at Ajax.

That's particularly bad considering the CONTEXT of the league and dominant team.
Geez Haller dominated on that team and barely played. And he was never even "good".

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

That's particularly bad considering the CONTEXT of the league and dominant team.
Geez Haller dominated on that team and barely played. And he was never even "good".

Obviously not the key point here, but Haller has definitely been more than good at points in his career

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Man City sent new 100-point deduction warning in FFP case as Premier League champions told punishment will be 'far harsher' than Everton or Nottingham Forest's | Goal.com UK

Manchester City have been warned that a guilty verdict in their FFP case could lead to a deduction "somewhere in the region of 60 to 100 points".

www.goal.com

 

[Evilo]

Obviously not the key point here, but Haller has definitely been more than good at points in his career

Haller, who brings nothing else to the table but goals, has exactly 1 single season over 10 goals outside the Eredivisie. Heck when he played in the EPL he scored 10 over 48 games.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Haller, who brings nothing else to the table but goals, has exactly 1 single season over 10 goals outside the Eredivisie. Heck when he played in the EPL he scored 10 over 48 games.

Are we talking about the same Haller

Haller sucked in the EPL because West Ham saw “oh tall guy” and tried to use him as a route one target man (similar to their stupidity with Scamacca, an inferior player to Haller), rather than recognizing that he was brilliant at Frankfurt because of how he brought other guys into the play by dropping deep

He was bad in the PL because they thought he provided nothing but goals

He started great for Dortmund and then… well… got cancer

He was the best player on the very good Frankfurt teams from 2017-19

Anyway this is sidetracking, but Haller failing at West Ham was a West Ham thing

 

[hatterson]

Man City sent new 100-point deduction warning in FFP case as Premier League champions told punishment will be 'far harsher' than Everton or Nottingham Forest's | Goal.com UK

Manchester City have been warned that a guilty verdict in their FFP case could lead to a deduction "somewhere in the region of 60 to 100 points".

www.goal.com

If applied this season it would put them at most at -16 points, 33 points from safety with 39 points left to play for.

Borderline guaranteed relegation given that Ipswich and/or Leicester are almost guaranteed to get 6 points between now and the end of the season.

Also, it's never actually happening.

 

[Evilo]

Are we talking about the same Haller

Haller sucked in the EPL because West Ham saw “oh tall guy” and tried to use him as a route one target man (similar to their stupidity with Scamacca, an inferior player to Haller), rather than recognizing that he was brilliant at Frankfurt because of how he brought other guys into the play by dropping deep

He was bad in the PL because they thought he provided nothing but goals

He started great for Dortmund and then… well… got cancer

He was the best player on the very good Frankfurt teams from 2017-19

Anyway this is sidetracking, but Haller failing at West Ham was a West Ham thing

Again, systems and all fine.
But he still hasn't produced much out of the Eredivisie. One single 10 goals season.
Even in Germany, he scored 26 goals in 50 games. And then less at BVB but obviously different.

 

[S E P H]

If applied this season it would put them at most at -16 points, 33 points from safety with 39 points left to play for.

Borderline guaranteed relegation given that Ipswich and/or Leicester are almost guaranteed to get 6 points between now and the end of the season.

Also, it's never actually happening.

If it ever did, that could be the grounds for them leaving and starting a potential superleague.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Again, systems and all fine.
But he still hasn't produced much out of the Eredivisie. One single 10 goals season.
Even in Germany, he scored 26 goals in 50 games. And then less at BVB but obviously different.

Part of my point, though, is that Haller is simply not a “guy who gives you nothing but goals” as you had characterized. You are repeating West Ham’s error. Haller was a terrific forward at dropping in and opening space for his colleagues (not dissimilar to late-Spurs Kane, though obviously not at close to the same level). To focus on his productivity in front of goal is to miss my point altogether.

 

[Evilo]

Part of my point, though, is that Haller is simply not a “guy who gives you nothing but goals” as you had characterized. You are repeating West Ham’s error. Haller was a terrific forward at dropping in and opening space for his colleagues (not dissimilar to late-Spurs Kane, though obviously not at close to the same level). To focus on his productivity in front of goal is to miss my point altogether.

Oh sure I meant in terms of positioning. He's not a midfielder creating and all.

 

[Savant]

If it ever did, that could be the grounds for them leaving and starting a potential superleague.

I actually would love a super league now. I would welcome it.

 

[bluesfan94]

If it ever did, that could be the grounds for them leaving and starting a potential superleague.

Can only start a potential super league if you have other people.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

If applied this season it would put them at most at -16 points, 33 points from safety with 39 points left to play for.

Borderline guaranteed relegation given that Ipswich and/or Leicester are almost guaranteed to get 6 points between now and the end of the season.

Also, it's never actually happening.

It’s also goal . Com a website I don’t think actually works

 

[S E P H]

Can only start a potential super league if you have other people.

You don't think Perez the Great doesn't want it right this second? Omfg, he would hop on in nanoseconds. Man City and Real Madrid are two huge clubs that could start a chain reaction.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

You don't think Perez the Great doesn't want it right this second? Omfg, he would hop on in nanoseconds. Man City and Real Madrid are two huge clubs that could start a chain reaction.

The chain reaction of top clubs is Man City, Real Madrid, Juventus and maybe PSG. Other big clubs will stay away IMO. I think all other big clubs would have no incentive leaving (especially English Clubs with what happened there for the first Super League). Maybe Barcelona because they are broke and will take any money to get out of bankruptcy but then they will basically give their soul to Florentino Perez.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

The chain reaction of top clubs is Man City, Real Madrid, Juventus and maybe PSG. Other big clubs will stay away IMO. I think all other big clubs would have no incentive leaving (especially English Clubs with what happened there for the first Super League). Maybe Barcelona because they are broke and will take any money to get out of bankruptcy but then they will basically give their soul to Florentino Perez.

PSG didnt join last time so something would have to change their mind. Barca aren't broke we are paying refs now as you can see the league table for reference. They'd probably join too as Laporte was made Flo's bitch last time around.

 

[les Habs]

He couldn't even score in Holland.

His scoring record was horrible considering Ajax scored 4+ goals a game


Again context
Ajax scored 100+ goals.

The first post I’m quoting here, the one above, is what you said and what I replied to. He literally has to only score 2 goals for that not to be true. However, taking it as I think you meant it, it’s still wrong.

As for context, and your second post (as well as some of your other posts that I saw earlier today), you’re still wrong and essentially misrepresenting the situation.

—For starters, Ajax didn’t score 4+ goals per match in the 20-21 or 21-22 seasons. Far from it in fact as it was 3 goals per match in 20-21 and 2.88 goals per match in 21-22.
—As for his teammates that you referenced, in 20-21 he was Ajax’s fourth highest scorer in the league, and again that is with the context of playing about 2/3s of the season’s minutes. Actually it’s less than 2/3s and even if I round up it’s 20 of 34 matches worth of minutes. So with 9 goals that’s almost a goal every other match. And for additional context, Tadic was their top scorer with 14 and Klaasen was their second highest scorer with 12.
—In 21-22 it was the same thing. Fourth highest scorer on the team with the same three players ahead of him. More importantly though, it was 8 goals in 20 matches worth of minutes (and that’s round up the minutes again).
—Now you can reasonably extrapolate with that information that in a full 34 match season as a starter he’d have scored about 13 goals.

Whether Antony is a good player, whether he did well in Europe, etc, none of that is relevant based on your original post I quoted. What is relevant is his scoring record which is not only respectable, but it’s good and means that your take on him not scoring in Holland is completely false. I’m not sure why you’re even going down that road.

 

[Evilo]

You can't extrapolate like you're doing because nobody plays 90 minutes of 34 games, especially among forwards. So let's stop the ridiculous madness.
Antony had trouble scoring in a league where every average offensive player can score plenty, on a team that scored 102 goals in the league and in fact as soon as he played European games he scored 1 in 10 further proving he had trouble scoring against half decent defenses.

Now just because he's scoring in la Liga doesn't mean you have to defend him. It's OK. We know how la Liga is.

 

[HeHateMeFrisbee]

I actually would love a super league now. I would welcome it.

Another terrible opinion.

 

[bluesfan94]

You don't think Perez the Great doesn't want it right this second? Omfg, he would hop on in nanoseconds. Man City and Real Madrid are two huge clubs that could start a chain reaction.

Those two clubs tried this before.

 

[Savant]

Another terrible opinion.

I mean, that’s your opinion.

If there is going to be a group of teams that want to follow rules, and group of teams that don’t follow rules, let the ones that don’t want to follow the rules play with themselves.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Rumours out that Qatari royalty are in talks with Spurs regarding a takeover. Levy has always been open to selling, but he drives a hard bargain. Hope this doesn't amount to anything.

 

[HeHateMeFrisbee]

Rumours out that Qatari royalty are in talks with Spurs regarding a takeover. Levy has always been open to selling, but he drives a hard bargain. Hope this doesn't amount to anything.

Hope it means a positive change but I don't believe it'll ever happen. I feel like this is the club pushing bullshit out again because of the protests.

 

[les Habs]

You can't extrapolate like you're doing because nobody plays 90 minutes of 34 games, especially among forwards. So let's stop the ridiculous madness.
Antony had trouble scoring in a league where every average offensive player can score plenty, on a team that scored 102 goals in the league and in fact as soon as he played European games he scored 1 in 10 further proving he had trouble scoring against half decent defenses.

Now just because he's scoring in la Liga doesn't mean you have to defend him. It's OK. We know how la Liga is.

I absolutely can extrapolate as I’ve done and it’s relevant, unlike largely every argument you’ve made on this subject, because you yourself referenced Ajax’s league season goals which they scored in 34 matches. So in essence you held Antony accountable to 34 matches despite the fact that he only played in 20 matches worth of minutes. So extrapolating absolutely makes sense, but you can look at it another way as well.

Without taking the time to inspect that season match by match I’ll just use averages based on the actual numbers. So Ajax scored 102 goals in 20-21 in of course 34 matches. Antony only played in 20 matches worth of minutes though. So based on the average of 3 goals per match that Ajax scored, you get 60 goals in 20 matches. So of those 60 goals, Antony scored 9. Either way, it’s not 9 goals out of 102, it’s more like 9 goals out of 60.

Again, European matches are irrelevant because your original post which I quoted twice was in reference to Holland.

I could care less. I don’t like the player and have already stated that I was embarrassed I drafted him and I don’t really rate the player. Anyway, it’s good that you know that La Liga is a top two league in the World. I’d recommend you watch it.