Speculation: Keeping Ck

[charliemurphy]

Kreider will go... and its just a matter of time before Gorton pulls off another Jedi mind trick and walks away with a top center prospect in the deal.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

The whole no room for CK thing is the of no fault to the player. Its the fault of the other contracts handed out preventing the team from keeping the more valueable asset.

Except that has nothing to really do with it. Those contracts end in 2-3 years (most in 2). If they want to resign Kreider, they will.

It's a matter of if it's smart to pay Kreider what he'll likely want.

 

[Lion Hound]

Except that has nothing to really do with it. Those contracts end in 2-3 years (most in 2). If they want to resign Kreider, they will.

It's a matter of if it's smart to pay Kreider what he'll likely want.

It has everything to do with it. The money already on the books is preventing them from keeping him. Money already on the books has been invested in players that do NOT carry value. #20 Carries value.

We got a good GM. Good GM's make deals happen. If Gorton paints the right picture he gets him to stay for the less. Were all assuming the cost will be too much based off what other players have received in Free Agency. The reality of it is you can't put a price tag on piece of mind. He might take less.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

It has everything to do with it. The money already on the books is preventing them from keeping him. Money already on the books has been invested in players that do NOT carry value. #20 Carries value.

We got a good GM. Good GM's make deals happen. If Gorton paints the right picture he gets him to stay for the less. Were all assuming the cost will be too much based off what other players have received in Free Agency. The reality of it is you can't put a price tag on piece of mind. He might take less.

Those contracts end in 2 years, and Shatty's ends in 3 years. Believe me, those don't have anything to do with resigning or not resigning Kreider. Even if those contracts didn't exist, Kreider would still have a good chance of being traded and not resigned.

It has everything to do with Kreider being worth the contract he'll want at his age and the way he plays the game.

 

[Lion Hound]

Those contracts end in 2 years, and Shatty's ends in 3 years. Believe me, those don't have anything to do with resigning or not resigning Kreider. Even if those contracts didn't exist, Kreider would still have a good chance of being traded and not resigned.

It has everything to do with Kreider being worth the contract he'll want at his age and the way he plays the game.

Again, were assuming that contract will be north of say 7 based off what others received. If #20 wants to get paid, he will. Teams will pony-up. If #20 wants to be a part of the long term here in NY he might take less. Looking at how this club is shaping up, he might want to stay.

If the club didnt overpay for the 3 players that aren't producing to what their pricetag suggests, it's no longer in question. If Shatty was moved, Fox slides in. Is there even a question about signing #20 long term with the money free'd up? If Staal retired and Hajek or Rykov slides in would #20 contract be so unafforadble?


I stoked with the new talent coming aboard. But the new talent is all skill. There isnt much bite there. Need some bite.

 

[Pizza]

Kreider may not have the "bite" of some other players better known for it, but he is most certainly a physical presence. And not having ever heard anything to the contrary, he's also an asset in the room as well.

Here is the main thing for me:

He is a lot easier to pay and keep than replace thru trade, FA, draft & development.

Guys like Kreider just don't grow on trees and his experience is also he can share with all the younger players. As he ages, he could be a very useful 3rd even 4th line player.

Gorts and JD will need to figure this out but Chris Kreider needs to remain a New York Ranger.

 

[charliemurphy]

Kreider may not have the "bite" of some other players better known for it, but he is most certainly a physical presence. And not having ever heard anything to the contrary, he's also an asset in the room as well.

Here is the main thing for me:

He is a lot easier to pay and keep than replace thru trade, FA, draft & development.

Guys like Kreider just don't grow on trees and his experience is also he can share with all the younger players. As he ages, he could be a very useful 3rd even 4th line player.

Gorts and JD will need to figure this out but Chris Kreider needs to remain a New York Ranger.

A bunch of players would NEED to be moved first and Chris Krieder's contract NEEDS to be $6m if not less per year for it to work long term. IMO, I don't think it can happen. Gorton will make a move and he knows as good as anyone what Kreider's value is whether its with the Rangers long term or not.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Speaking only for myself, I've never quite been sure that Chytil even is a center. That goes back to before he was drafted.

So it's not so much me giving up on Chytil as the second line center, so much as not really being all-in on the concept of him being a center to begin with.

In all fairness, the over the top posts about Chytil from just before pre-season until 20 something games into the regular season were f***ing hilarious, and in most circumstances [not this site obviously] would ruin a poster's credibility.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

The whole no room for CK thing is the of no fault to the player. Its the fault of the other contracts handed out preventing the team from keeping the more valueable asset.

Keeping him gives the NY Rangers a rediculous top 6 that in time will give teams fits trying to defend against. Combo of size and speed that to i think would win Championships.

He plays half a season at best. That's why he got bridged his contract year instead of getting the life time contract, and that's why he's being shopped.

 

[True Blue]

If he is too far gone, I think he considers it if upper mgmt reaches out.

Bern, at least on this point please live in the real world. Shattenkirk is not retiring and becoming a coach.

 

[bernmeister]

Bern, at least on this point please live in the real world. Shattenkirk is not retiring and becoming a coach.

just to be clear what I said was:
- remote outside chance
- depends where he is physically
- def not happening this year, MAYBE he does this for us final season
- assumes MSG gives him a golden parachute to get back cap

Granted, that's still a tough inside straight trying to be drawn in poker
but
I suspect stranger things have happened.

 

[True Blue]

just to be clear what I said was:
- remote outside chance
- depends where he is physically
- def not happening this year, MAYBE he does this for us final season
- assumes MSG gives him a golden parachute to get back cap

Granted, that's still a tough inside straight trying to be drawn in poker
but
I suspect stranger things have happened.

When you say remote, that means that there is a much greater chance of him being MVP this year. That is a much greater possibility than him retiring and being a coach.

Like I said, the universe must be a very happy place where you are from.

 

[NYRangers0723]

He plays half a season at best. That's why he got bridged his contract year instead of getting the life time contract, and that's why he's being shopped.

bullshit

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

bull****

Then he got bridged in his contract year and is being shopped because of the Russian bias in AV's System?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We spent Kreider's next contract money on Panarin and Trouba, it's not happening. The best thing we could do is trade Kreider for a 1st in next years draft and lose his salary totally.

 

[bernmeister]

We spent Kreider's next contract money on Panarin and Trouba, it's not happening. The best thing we could do is trade Kreider for a 1st in next years draft and lose his salary totally.

no best is to remove other salary, extend CK
keep and if nec deal him later when worth mo b'c added term

Namest is 4, Gettinger is elc
we are not moving Namest w/o retention, but still, a few moves and we have 6ish for ck
we are not yet in cap hell

 

[Shesterkybomb]

no best is to remove other salary, extend CK
keep and if nec deal him later when worth mo b'c added term

Namest is 4, Gettinger is elc
we are not moving Namest w/o retention, but still, a few moves and we have 6ish for ck
we are not yet in cap hell

Trouba and Buchnevich are gonna take the better part of 12 mill. Then we still need to sign Lemieux and DeAngelo. Sitting st around 8 mill cap space now before all that.

 

[bernmeister]

Trouba and Buchnevich are gonna take the better part of 12 mill. Then we still need to sign Lemieux and DeAngelo. Sitting st around 8 mill cap space now before all that.

keep kreider
Namest Strome and Skjei/Buch as needed.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Honestly Namestikov should be dumped before Kreider. Im telling you its gonna be very difficult to replace what he does. Its not just goal its his screens which has helped guys like mika with that big shot of his. Backing down defense and creating with his speed/strength is what he brings too

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Honestly Namestikov should be dumped before Kreider. Im telling you its gonna be very difficult to replace what he does. Its not just goal its his screens which has helped guys like mika with that big shot of his. Backing down defense and creating with his speed/strength is what he brings too

I don't think anyone has denied this outside of his usual haters.

Still isn't worth keeping around. Too many things can go wrong between now and the TDL.

 

[will1066]

 

[Edge]

In all fairness, the over the top posts about Chytil from just before pre-season until 20 something games into the regular season were ****ing hilarious, and in most circumstances [not this site obviously] would ruin a poster's credibility.

You’ll have to refresh my memory. Half of what happens on here is a blur, and the other half is mentally blocked to preserve what’s left of my sanity.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

As he ages, he could be a very useful 3rd even 4th line player.

.

As Marc Staal ages, he can be a useful bottom 6 dmen.

For 5.7M!

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

You’ll have to refresh my memory. Half of what happens on here is a blur, and the other half is mentally blocked to preserve what’s left of my sanity.

His elite points per 60 in the second period on odd number days made him the first player since Wayne Gretzky to tie his shoes at the garden.

something like that. just think typical jive turkey talk on here.

 

[eco's bones]

I think our chances of keeping Kreider into the 20-21 season are about at 5%. We'd almost need someone to take Shattenkirk off our hands without us taking salary back.....and maybe even then Chris would have to give us a discount to sign back up.

The thing is we don't know what Kreider would want to stay beyond next year and there's a pretty decent chance the Rangers aren't all that sure either--so we could trade a bunch of guys off like Namestnikov or Buchnevich--maybe DeAngelo or Strome and Kreider ends up leaving us anyway because he decides he wants to test the market. We have $9 mil or so (subtract half of Beleskey) to work with and the priority isn't Chris---it's Trouba who I would guess is going to take $7.5 of it.

For Kreider--it's business--life as a hockey player to get moved at least once during your career. For fans--anyone who has been a fan should know by now that players move on--even favorite players. It's not great but it's not quite as bad as losing your pet dog. People should put some perspective to it. We traded Brian Leetch ffs. The world didn't end.