Speculation: Keeping Ck

[bernmeister]

So you think Smith and Staal are not problems and DeAngelo and Skjei are? Shattenkirk, again, is hot garbage.

Respectfully I think you are mischaracterizing what I have actually said.

Staal is a problem, we have no solution, we are screwed there, best chance is compliance buyout is available early. I had hoped we could do him at half for Marleau at full pop, but that didn't happen.

Smith is a problem, and I want to get rid of him. Almost zero takers. MAYBE since his brother is a stud F for Vegas, IF they are getting cap relief now up front they think about it. The numbers speak for themselves, but they have other options.

We have no good options on Shatty except to hope he rebounds big time from injury. But however he performs, with Trouba, he is too expensive. We can't really move him tho.

In a vacuum, neither the improved Deangelo or Skjei are a problem. However, we do need cap relief -- the costs of Trouba, Panarin, and just in case $ if opportunity knocks.

As others noted, Namest does not move easy, we likely have to full retain for a mid pick, and don't expect takers for him w/zero retention.
Strome - not enuf
Buch not enuf

elcs Chytil, Nieves, Andersson, Howden you keep, even if you traded, does not move the cap needle.
Georgiev for a pick is small help, and with Shesty he is surplus.

But who else ya wanna move? Fast? Lemieux.

Process of elimination
just hoping somehow magically we can move Shatty-Smith instead of DeAngelo-Skjei is not gonna make it happen, and buyouts have consequences.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

They should probably trade him because of the cap, but his size, speed, and physicality would be greatly missed in the Top 6.

 

[Larrybiv]

I don't think they'll keep him but I'd like to see them try. Would love to know what his camp is asking for. He brings a different element to the top 6. I'd move Buch and Names before Kreider if I could.

Yes, me as well. Would love to keep Kreids, but seems the writing is on the wall. Not so easily replaced either.
He sees the very real possibility of this team blossoming really soon. If he should EVER take a big discount to stay, (with Captaincy?) Then, would love to keep him. Unfair to ask this of him, he deserves more than what we would be willing to give him. Unfortunate that those bad contracts are gonna force us to do part with him. Yeah, I am looking at you Shatty and Smith. Not so much Marc.
Oth, we would get MORE now as opposed to the deadline......correct?

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Yes, me as well. Would love to keep Kreids, but seems the writing is on the wall. Not so easily replaced either.
He sees the very real possibility of this team blossoming really soon. If he should EVER take a big discount to stay, (with Captaincy?) Then, would love to keep him. Unfair to ask this of him, he deserves more than what we would be willing to give him. Unfortunate that those bad contracts are gonna force us to do part with him. Yeah, I am looking at you Shatty and Smith. Not so much Marc.
Oth, we would get MORE now as opposed to the deadline......correct?

Those contracts have nothing to do with not resigning Kreider. They expire in like 2 years. It's a matter of if they think it's smart paying Kredier something like 7 x 7 going forward period.

 

[bernmeister]

Those contracts have nothing to do with not resigning Kreider. They expire in like 2 years. It's a matter of if they think it's smart paying Kredier something like 7 x 7 going forward period.

sweet spot is 6.2 x 5 with lots generous NTC, no NMC, lots of both player protection and team flexibility

If production is constant or increases
a contract with added term is worth more than one with less,
other things being =.

If we deal him at all, CK 2 or 3 yrs from now > than currently.

Of course, everybody eventually breaks down, but it is reasonable to think he has at least 4-5 min good years left before that happens.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

sweet spot is 6.2 x 5 with lots generous NTC, no NMC, lots of both player protection and team flexibility

If production is constant or increases
a contract with added term is worth more than one with less,
other things being =.

If we deal him at all, CK 2 or 3 yrs from now > than currently.

Of course, everybody eventually breaks down, but it is reasonable to think he has at least 4-5 min good years left before that happens.

I wish, but no chance in hell I see this happening when teams would likely line up to give him around 7 x 7. He'd have to really, really want to stay a Ranger to take a deal like that.

 

[Leonardo87]

Our Top 6 would be a lot scarier with Panarin and Kreider in it. Can get the net front presence and dirty goals while also getting those great set ups and space created by Panarin. I mean Kreider is a proven 50 point player, and 20 goal scorer, and brings that speed, grit, and size on the boards and around the net, and is also a leader in the room. I don’t want to give that up. If we can move Namesnikov and one of the D contracts can get by this year and see how things go before next summer.

These damn D contracts are really hurting now. None of them are playing even close to their contacts. Shattenkirk is the better of the 3 when it comes to that but that’s not saying much.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Our Top 6 would be a lot scarier with Panarin and Kreider in it. Can get the net front presence and dirty goals while also getting those great set ups and space created by Panarin. I mean Kreider is a proven 50 point player, and 20 goal scorer, and brings that speed, grit, and size on the boards and around the net, and is also a leader in the room. I don’t want to give that up. If we can move Namesnikov and one of the D contracts can get by this year and see how things go before next summer.

These damn D contracts are really hurting now. None of them are playing even close to their contacts. Shattenkirk is the better of the 3 when it comes to that but that’s not saying much.

Kreider is going. Sooner everyone accepts it the better off you'll be when he's traded.

 

[bernmeister]

I wish, but no chance in hell I see this happening when teams would likely line up to give him around 7 x 7. He'd have to really, really want to stay a Ranger to take a deal like that.

It depends if, like Hayes, he took max $.
But there is a lot going on and this is an emerging club.

Depending on how fast we trim the vet fat, and how fast the kids shine, we have enuf in all 3 basic areas - G, D, and F -- to win it all. Doing that all and being comfy in NY is a factor.

Also, don't forget the unwritten golden parachute opportunity that comes here with retirement for Rangers, but esp and significantly, for those who do mutual back scratch.

An extra 2 yrs he may seek later anyway and an extra couple mil per + a mil per for all 5 yrs, say that is upwards of 10 mil

Upon retirement, there are all kinds of commercials, endorsements, club gigs, etc, he can seek, and the more beloved he is for doing us a solid, the more his worth then.
Plant that seed, CK.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Our Top 6 would be a lot scarier with Panarin and Kreider in it. Can get the net front presence and dirty goals while also getting those great set ups and space created by Panarin. I mean Kreider is a proven 50 point player, and 20 goal scorer, and brings that speed, grit, and size on the boards and around the net, and is also a leader in the room. I don’t want to give that up. If we can move Namesnikov and one of the D contracts can get by this year and see how things go before next summer.

These damn D contracts are really hurting now. None of them are playing even close to their contacts. Shattenkirk is the better of the 3 when it comes to that but that’s not saying much.

I'm not sure they'd extend him even if they were with out the contracts of the 3 S's.

Is this a guy you want to commit 7x7 to starting with his age 29 season? I didn't think Panarin was a necessary risk, but now that he's here they can't be taking another one.

 

[Leonardo87]

I'm not sure they'd extend him even if they were with out the contracts of the 3 S's.

Is this a guy you want to commit 7x7 to starting with his age 29 season? I didn't think Panarin was a necessary risk, but now that he's here they can't be taking another one.

Yeah I look at the numbers like his age, the salary and it’s a risk. I am being too optimistic thinking they can keep him after signing Panarin. I just hate to lose a player like Kreider this coming season and be stuck with Namestnikov. I figured have the entire year to see what happens with the cap and roster then worry about his extension next year .

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah I look at the numbers like his age, the salary and it’s a risk. I am being too optimistic thinking they can keep him after signing Panarin. I just hate to lose a player like Kreider this coming season and be stuck with Namestnikov. I figured have the entire year to see what happens with the cap and roster then worry about his extension next year .

They may move them both so there is that.

Waiting is a risk in it self though. What if he gets hurt or sucks next year? I don't think they want to have another potential Mopearello situation either. Not saying that Kreider would pout, but hes prone to being distracted.

 

[Leonardo87]

They may move them both so there is that.

Waiting is a risk in it self though. What if he gets hurt or sucks next year? I don't think they want to have another potential Mopearello situation either. Not saying that Kreider would pout, but hes prone to being distracted.

Yeah I hear ya. I also look at the need for another top 6 center and will be very hard to acquire if we have like 6.5-7 locked up with Kreider.

 

[ZestyMest]

We've probably seen his best hockey already, keeping him probably involves a contract that will give us cap issues down the line. We benefit most from just trading him now.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Kreider is going. Sooner everyone accepts it the better off you'll be when he's traded.

Agreed.

I mean, if he's willing to take $2MM and 2 years less than he should receive on his next contract, sure, you can revisit the conversation – but otherwise, it simply doesn't work given the team's construction and timeframe.

 

[bernmeister]

I'm not sure they'd extend him even if they were with out the contracts of the 3 S's.

Is this a guy you want to commit 7x7 to starting with his age 29 season? I didn't think Panarin was a necessary risk, but now that he's here they can't be taking another one.

111% no for 7x7

but less $ and esp less term, with min restriction to move if you must, then yes.
better return than his 1 yr expiring

IMO, Rangers will push 6.25 x 4
he will want 1 mo yr
they settle at 6.2 x 5

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

111% no for 7x7

but less $ and esp less term, with min restriction to move if you must, then yes.
better return than his 1 yr expiring

IMO, Rangers will push 6.25 x 4
he will want 1 mo yr
they settle at 6.2 x 5

I don't think there is any way he settles for that.

 

[bernmeister]

I don't think there is any way he settles for that.

why?

conventional wisdom # ballparks 7x7.
5 yrs is not like 2 yrs where term is too short.
And, after his pound of 5, he can then
do a fresh contract, if not here, elsewhere

maybe, with the way he plays, he realizes it could make sense to
do the 5
and then see what shape he is in

if he is not especially banged up
despite the way he plays
then maybe instead of the 2 yrs he passed on
he extends for 3 or 4 somewhere
or,
more practical, go 1 yr at a time

on the other hand, if he is banged up
I could see him sayin
let's be smart here
we don't want to wind up an invalid or crippled
i made my $
retirement makes sense
esp with a cushy post career job

so 4-5 yrs term may well work

as to $,
certainly there has to be enuf, but for the guys like pro athletes who have an ample amount, once they go over a certain level, it is surplus.

So given that, intangibles may come into play.
We'll see

and you may be right, I may indeed be too optimistic here, but I think there's a reasonable chance it plays out this way.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I know Kreider has to go, but man... keeping him on the PP with Panarin, Trouba, Kakko & Fox coming in wouldve made the units even more dangerous.

Thats one area of his game that he really developed and improved upon. His first few seasons he didnt quite master the art using his big frame to screen the goalie.

Then he figured out the timing and has become one of the best in the league at getting deflections and rebounds on and into the net.

He will be missed there and thats definitely one area the Rangers will have a tough time parting with.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I know Kreider has to go, but man... keeping him on the PP with Panarin, Trouba, Kakko & Fox coming in wouldve made the units even more dangerous.

Thats one area of his game that he really developed and improved upon. His first few seasons he didnt quite master the art using his big frame to screen the goalie.

Then he figured out the timing and has become one of the best in the league at getting deflections and rebounds on and into the net.

He will be missed there and thats definitely one area the Rangers will have a tough time parting with.

Facts.

I wish there was some way to keep him, but don't see it as of now.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Trouba has a bomb but can also throw soft accurate wristers at the net. Panarin may have one of the most lethal one timers from anywhere on the ice on the PP. Fox is very good at getting pucks through traffic. Someone will have to be at the net if Chris isnt there. Kappo?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Trouba has a bomb but can also throw soft accurate wristers at the net. Panarin may have one of the most lethal one timers from anywhere on the ice on the PP. Fox is very good at getting pucks through traffic. Someone will have to be at the net if Chris isnt there. Kappo?

Ya the PP is gonna be tough to figure out. We may have to separate guys like Mika/Panarin from Kakko/Kravstov. Kaapo is a beast on the right half wall, I feel like he may be wasted standing in front of the net. I don’t know if I want a guy who facilitates like Kakko does in that role.

Honestly, without Kreider, we don’t really have a guy who fits particularly well in that role. We may have to experiment with Lemmy/Howden, maybe Chytil. I think Lemmy could develop into a hell of a net front presence, hopefully that’s what’ll happen. Otherwise, we’re kinda beat there atm.

 

[Thordic]

I think it's highly unlikely we keep him for this season and I don't see any scenario where we re-sign him.

I don't dislike him but we no longer have room, and his next contract is going to be a bad one for whoever signs it. Plus in a couple years we're going to need our cap space to start signing our rookies to second contracts.

 

[Lion Hound]

The whole no room for CK thing is the of no fault to the player. Its the fault of the other contracts handed out preventing the team from keeping the more valueable asset.

Keeping him gives the NY Rangers a rediculous top 6 that in time will give teams fits trying to defend against. Combo of size and speed that to i think would win Championships.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The whole no room for CK thing is the of no fault to the player. Its the fault of the other contracts handed out preventing the team from keeping the more valueable asset.

Keeping him gives the NY Rangers a rediculous top 6 that in time will give teams fits trying to defend against. Combo of size and speed that to i think would win Championships.

And in time we wont have money to sign all our young players. so yea...bye Chris.