Player Discussion K'Andre Miller

[HFBS]

I still don't understand why he gets a pass from so many here being as horrendous defensively as he is. He's a turnover machine and is often out of position. His 'great plays' are almost always making up for his own mistakes. I don't care how big, strong and talented he is. He's either stupid, lazy or both. I don't want him on my team.

 

[Chytilmania]

I still don't understand why he gets a pass from so many here being as horrendous defensively as he is. He's a turnover machine and is often out of position. His 'great plays' are almost always making up for his own mistakes. I don't care how big, strong and talented he is. He's either stupid, lazy or both. I don't want him on my team.

Then who are we replacing him with? We’ll kill the next guy who’s in.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I still don't understand why he gets a pass from so many here being as horrendous defensively as he is. He's a turnover machine and is often out of position. His 'great plays' are almost always making up for his own mistakes. I don't care how big, strong and talented he is. He's either stupid, lazy or both. I don't want him on my team.

I keep circling back to Tom Poti with Key.

And I wasn't a fan of him either.

I don't hate either one, but not my cup of tea if I were looking to build a team.

Twist my arm and I have no choice, he's an over achieving 3rd pair guy for me. And I sure would not be paying him bank going forward. Some GM of a middling team would find him valuable as a top minute player and pay him as such. I wouldn't. Personal preference.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

To me he's back on trading block as of now. Needs to show more, or we package him for an upgrade on D.

 

[CasusBelli]

I keep circling back to Tom Poti with Key.

And I wasn't a fan of him either.

I don't hate either one, but not my cup of tea if I were looking to build a team.

Twist my arm and I have no choice, he's an over achieving 3rd pair guy for me. And I sure would not be paying him bank going forward. Some GM of a middling team would find him valuable as a top minute player and pay him as such. I wouldn't. Personal preference.

Wonder what it would cost to get Guhle and Dach from Montreal. Miller, Othmann and at least one rust rounder is my guess. Doubt they want Kakko, but there more than welcome to have him.

Not that Montreal would sell those players. They’re likely untouchables, along with Juraj.

 

[CasusBelli]

Then who are we replacing him with? We’ll kill the next guy who’s in.

A bona fide top-two with a cap friendly contract in his mid 20s. They grow on trees, I hear. Maybe Dallas will take Kakko for 50% retention on Heiskanen.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Miller is serviceable, but you will lose with him in the playoffs. Trade him with + to Anaheim for Gudas......

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Miller is serviceable, but you will lose with him in the playoffs. Trade him with + to Anaheim for Gudas......

Gudas is a dawg and certainly could help any team, that wants to win a Cup.

iirc he's a RHD though, we'd have way too many of those with him.

He's also good for dumb ass penalties. Which I'm not sure if that matters really, our defense took bunch of dumb penalties.

Is there a LHD Gudas?

 

[Peltz]

I agree we only extend if we could do so at low cost. But I do like how Fox looks with him at times.

 

[GunkWinger]

He's still young and dmen typically reach their peak after 25. Have patience and stick with him. Too many on here always want to give up on him.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

He's back off of the trading block, really liked what I saw these past games. He's still finding his game and there is upside.

 

[doomscroll]

Separating Lindgren and Trouba from the best two D-men on the team has done wonders for the latter - Miller and Fox have been phenomenal analytically, and their play-styles complement each other beautifully. Miller can carry the puck through the neutral zone very well, and his skating ability allows Fox to cheat toward the slot offensively.

Miller has had some visible gaffes this season, but that is to be expected from a puck-carrying skater logging 1D minutes. The many good plays he makes on a game-by-game basis have so far outweighed his mistakes handsomely, and his ability to carry the puck deep has been instrumental in developing the PP2 into more than a novelty unit.

Hopefully Miller can continue to build on this early success - he’s been one of the more underrated players on the roster this season.

 

[bobbop]

I’ve never been a big Miller guy.

Nothing has changed.

 

[ReddestRum]

I'm a simple man. As long as Miller stays on the + side of +/- and can help generate offense then I'm good with him. He's still a young D that's on the offensive side of the puck, and his stats with Fox shows this. I think team defense as a whole always needs work, but Miller gets singled out more for some reason like he should be starting in the AHL. Ah well. It is what it is.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'm a simple man. As long as Miller stays on the + side of +/- and can help generate offense then I'm good with him. He's still a young D that's on the offensive side of the puck, and his stats with Fox shows this. I think team defense as a whole always needs work, but Miller gets singled out more for some reason like he should be starting in the AHL. Ah well. It is what it is.

Rangers fans get triggered when a guy is 6'5 and not Scott Stevens.

 

[Rempe73]

I don’t mind having Miller on the team, but I am almost certain he’s going to be overpaid. Too many mistakes. How are his analytics?

 

[Machinehead]

I don’t mind having Miller on the team, but I am almost certain he’s going to be overpaid. Too many mistakes. How are his analytics?

He and Fox are the best pair in the league.

That being said, I don't think that requires K'Andre Miller specifically. It just requires a good NHL player.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don’t mind having Miller on the team, but I am almost certain he’s going to be overpaid. Too many mistakes. How are his analytics?

Since paired with Fox he’s looked fantastic.
Those mistakes are there, but they are 1-2 times a game. And then there’s the 7-8 great plays, and the rest of his shifts are quiet.


So his analytics look fantastic. Exactly what the eye test says.

 

[NYR Viper]

He and Fox are the best pair in the league.

That being said, I don't think that requires K'Andre Miller specifically. It just requires a good NHL player.

I mean, he's a 24 year old, great skating d-man who, after this year assuming things stay the same, would have proven chemistry and results with the teams best player (that's Fox). I'd give him a long term deal in the $6-6.5m range and not think twice. Like 8 years x $6m. That's barely top-pairing money and he's easily a top-4 d-man who is still growing.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

he's a guy who really fails the eye test lol but i can believe he's a good partner for Fox, his skating and reach are great, and although he hasn't been putting up points yet he's more of an offensive threat than Lindgren

 

[Rempe73]

Damn. Now I’m conflicted.

Miller - Fox
Lindgren - Mancini
Jones - Schneider

That’s my ideal lineup, but I don’t think we’ll be able to afford it

 

[leetch99]

he's a guy who really fails the eye test lol but i can believe he's a good partner for Fox, his skating and reach are great, and although he hasn't been putting up points yet he's more of an offensive threat than Lindgren

I think he could be an offensive guy....but he lacks confidence in himself and instead of skating it up ice he panics along the boards and make a blind pass right into the hands of the opposition.....much like Kreider does when he feels /hears blades coming near him....he throws it in the corner rather than working the puck along the boards like hard working forwards do and battle ! Kreider as a rule wants NONE of that .