Player Discussion K'Andre Miller

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't base anything off a bunch of schitzophrenic toolbags on TBL GDTs. Score a goal we're awesome, give one up, it's the end of the world. I am telling you, there is alot to think about on KAM. You go lock him up long term theres a good chance he never takes that next step and then you're stuck with a guy making bank off of potential he never realized. I don't dislike him, but I need him to show me that he's made progress to the next step. Until he gets that consistency, IMO, he gets the bridge deal. I will never be on your side saying this kid makes phenomenal reads. That's complete bullshit. He gets by because he is athletic, but he plays the way you would expect someone who's only been playing Defense as long as he has.

LOL yes you do. You made a snap judgement on the kid last year and haven't been able to get over it for whatever reason.

He' already taken that next step. If you don't think he took a massive jump this year you're either biased or blind (and its 10000% the former in this case.) If you don't want to commit to him long term because you think theres another step that needs to be taken before that happens, fine, thats fair.

But to act like hes getting by on nothing but athletic ability is just wrong. He made some phenomenal reads the 2nd half of the season and in the playoffs. Was it spotless? No, but no defenseman is. I could cut a reel of Makar looking like a clown using just this playoff run.

f*** I could do the same for Fox too.

 

[QJL]

Miller is a guy you lock up long term. No bridge deal for him. He is a player you sign for 6, 7 or 8 years. Drury should not mess this up.

Yeah, unfortunately this isn’t going to be close to possible with our current cap situation, especially if we sign Copp.

 

[GAGLine]

Rangers’ K’Andre Miller Becoming a Force on Defense - The Hockey Writers New York Rangers Latest News, Analysis & More

K'Andre Miller’s development has already paid off for the New York Rangers and fans should be excited about the blueliner's future.

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Miller played like a star for the Rangers late in the regular season and during the postseason, as he used his rare combination of size, strength, and speed effectively. He improved dramatically and earned Gallant’s trust.


The Rangers will rely on Miller to continue his strong defensive play next season and he must also consistently play with physicality. Additionally, he has the potential to contribute offensively as he has a heavy slap shot, as well as an accurate wrist shot, and he is becoming more and more confident.

Miller’s development has already paid off for the Rangers and fans should be excited about the growth of the impressive, young blueliner.

 

[mrmovies779]

People on this board would have had Brady Skjei locked up to an 8x8 after his ELC ran put if they had their way. Miller is decent. You don't hand him the bag. There is a good chance he gets passed on the depth chart. His offense is limited and he is a nightmare defending the rush. He's caught so far out of position sometimes that I question his hockey IQ. No way I throw 8 years at him with a high number attached. I don't know WTF all these people who a constantly raving about him are watching. Once we don't have the out that he's only been playing defense for 4 years or whatever, we are going to have to take an honest look at what he is onstead of his potential. Im not paying for potential. Potential doesn't win shit. Sign him to the bridge and if he explodes, you have a chip worth a kings ransom. If he does that well, we won't be able to fit him in at what those guys are getting anyway. Nobody can have 2 9m dmen.

I see what the confusion is,let me help you out...That was Nemeth you were watching.Glad I could help.

 

[Sayba]

Yeah, unfortunately this isn’t going to be close to possible with our current cap situation, especially if we sign Copp.

Then we shouldn’t sign Copp, lock Miller up.

 

[QJL]

Then we shouldn’t sign Copp, lock Miller up.

Absolutely

 

[Brief Candle]

Said it from day 1 with this kid: He's a stud. As much as I like Copper, if it's between him and Key, there's not even a SHADOW of doubt where my money goes: Key 1000000 over. He hasn't even matured as a man OR as a player yet. He still has room to grow, and as we've seen, he's capable of taking those steps. I could see him or Laffy wearing the C one day.

 

[68Forever]

He is playing in "Da Beauty League" right now on Team Bic. Rocking his Rangers gear and looking so smooth.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He is playing in "Da Beauty League" right now on Team Bic. Rocking his Rangers gear and looking so smooth.

Lindgren is also playing in the league, he's got 2 goals in 2 games

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Dear Gerard,

Let K'Andre skate the puck out of his own end on the regular next year. He did this more in the playoffs and it was awesome. We want to see awesome.

Love,

All of HFNYR.

 

[chosen]

LOL yes you do. You made a snap judgement on the kid last year and haven't been able to get over it for whatever reason.

He' already taken that next step. If you don't think he took a massive jump this year you're either biased or blind (and its 10000% the former in this case.) If you don't want to commit to him long term because you think theres another step that needs to be taken before that happens, fine, thats fair.

But to act like hes getting by on nothing but athletic ability is just wrong. He made some phenomenal reads the 2nd half of the season and in the playoffs. Was it spotless? No, but no defenseman is. I could cut a reel of Makar looking like a clown using just this playoff run.

f*** I could do the same for Fox too.

Last season, I was one of Miller's biggest critics here.

A couple months ago, I wrote here that I've never seen a Rangers defenseman improve more in one season. He is already easily their 2nd best and might be good enough to play on any top pairing in the NHL. It's been an astoundingly quick rise.

 

[McRanger92]

Last season, I was one of Miller's biggest critics here.

A couple months ago, I wrote here that I've never seen a Rangers defenseman improve more in one season. He is already easily their 2nd best and might be good enough to play on any top pairing in the NHL. It's been an astoundingly quick rise.

Been saying it awhile but theres a very good chance were talking abut K'Andre as our best player by this time next year. Outplaying Jaccob Slavin in a head to head playoff series was eye opening. Love this kid

 

[bl02]

Still probably a year too early but right now he goes either 1st, 2nd or 3rd overall in that 2018 Draft. His ability to cover the ice and use his length/speed are just too much to pass up. Also we saw him get a little more physical/nasty late in the season and in the playoffs. Maybe Dahlin has had a tough go of it because of the environment in Buffalo but it's a toss IMO between Dahlin/Svech/Miller/Tkachuk. People love Hughes but give me Miller and his size plus speed.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

"The defensive instincts he showed in a pretty tough spot were highly encouraging, especially considering that he's still just a 22-year-old defender who has less than two full seasons of pro-level hockey under his belt. He faced 170 zone entry attempts and gave up a controlled carry-in on just 44.1 percent of them. Even better is the rate at which he forced turnovers, with his 21.8 clip putting him behind just Slavin, Victor Hedman and Toews. "

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The New York Rangers put a significant amount of responsibility on his shoulders, with literally no other player in the league playing more 5-on-5 minutes than he did in their three rounds of action. In those whopping 429:25 minutes, he matched up head-to-head with the following forwards:

• 53:42 vs. Sidney Crosby
• 46:10 vs. Sebastian Aho
• 44:25 vs. Yevgeni Malkin
• 43:46 vs. Nikita Kucherov "

How defencemen defended their blue line against zone entries in the 2022 Stanley Cup Playoffs

Dimitri Filipovic uses tracking data from this year's playoffs to look at which defencemen defended their blue line against zone entries most effectively, and why it's such an important skill in today's game.

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But hes a nightmare at defending the rush, LOL.

Lindgren has that dog in him, but Miller-Fox should be a thing maybe as early as next season and certainly after Lindgren is moved because the cap is stupid.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Miller - Fox gonna be the best pairing in hockey soon.

 

[pblawr]

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"The defensive instincts he showed in a pretty tough spot were highly encouraging, especially considering that he's still just a 22-year-old defender who has less than two full seasons of pro-level hockey under his belt. He faced 170 zone entry attempts and gave up a controlled carry-in on just 44.1 percent of them. Even better is the rate at which he forced turnovers, with his 21.8 clip putting him behind just Slavin, Victor Hedman and Toews. "

"
The New York Rangers put a significant amount of responsibility on his shoulders, with literally no other player in the league playing more 5-on-5 minutes than he did in their three rounds of action. In those whopping 429:25 minutes, he matched up head-to-head with the following forwards:

• 53:42 vs. Sidney Crosby
• 46:10 vs. Sebastian Aho
• 44:25 vs. Yevgeni Malkin
• 43:46 vs. Nikita Kucherov "

How defencemen defended their blue line against zone entries in the 2022 Stanley Cup Playoffs

Dimitri Filipovic uses tracking data from this year's playoffs to look at which defencemen defended their blue line against zone entries most effectively, and why it's such an important skill in today's game.

eprinkside.com

But hes a nightmare at defending the rush, LOL.

Lindgren has that dog in him, but Miller-Fox should be a thing maybe as early as next season and certainly after Lindgren is moved because the cap is stupid.

I would bet that Schneider is going to get really good at this as he adjusts to the NHL too. His transition D jumped out to me whenever I watched him in Brandon and Hartford.

 

[Lays]

Can I just say I told you so now? I fought tooth and nail trying to convince this board Miller was better than Nils Lundkvist lol. I know a few had Jones/Robertson over him too. Miller was apparently too dumb to succeed. Look at him now

 

[bl02]

There’s no way we can give this kid 5.5-6 x6 soon?
We need to make sure one of Laf and miller is on a nice long term deal. I don’t wanna bridge both. IMO this guy is already a top 20 D and probably only 2-3 dmen can do what he’s capable with his size skating and reach. And I think we are starting to see he can play with some physicality as well

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I would bet that Schneider is going to get really good at this as he adjusts to the NHL too. His transition D jumped out to me whenever I watched him in Brandon and Hartford.

This is the first data I've seen that tracked how he handled the rush. It was actually better than I expected.

His RS numbers in terms of controlled Exits/Entries were actually pretty solid and again, better than I anticipated they would be. Not a whole lot of attempts, but a decent success rate when he did go for it. I really, really hope that Jones is his partner next year as he can and would take a bulk of those attempts (as he should) and I always loved how he defended in transition before he got to pro hockey (Really aggressive in the NZ, borderline too aggressive given his physical limitations, but it's the right mindset.) They graded out pretty well when they played together at the NHL level last year, though the sample size was tiny. As @Machinehead says, no one has an amazing bottom pair. These 2 could be a good one though.

Can I just say I told you so now? I fought tooth and nail trying to convince this board Miller was better than Nils Lundkvist lol

Yeah this was one of the more baffling narratives to have ever existed here lol.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Can I just say I told you so now? I fought tooth and nail trying to convince this board Miller was better than Nils Lundkvist lol. I know a few had Jones/Robertson over him too. Miller was apparently too dumb to succeed. Look at him now

But he's only been a defenseman for 3 years!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SickNice]

Last season, I was one of Miller's biggest critics here.

A couple months ago, I wrote here that I've never seen a Rangers defenseman improve more in one season. He is already easily their 2nd best and might be good enough to play on any top pairing in the NHL. It's been an astoundingly quick rise.

Agree entirely. I was critical and wasn't buying the hype last year. Huge step forward.

 

[nyr2k2]

The thing with Miller for me was you saw enough great plays to make you think he had the potential, and just needed the reps. I said all along the guy was a BEAST in college at breaking up zone entries--one of the absolute best in the country. So, it's not surprising to see once he adjusted and gained in confidence, that he is showing the same in the NHL. He also really excelled at controlled exits and entries in college, so it's only a matter of time before he takes off there, too (we've already seen some of those rushes that he's so good at with his speed/strength/reach combo).

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

hoping his offense can improve as well. He can skate and shoot very well, just needs to improve his puck movement.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

hoping his offense can improve as well. He can skate and shoot very well, just needs to improve his puck movement.

Pair him with Fox and he will score 40 points next year.

You give Miller the looks Lindgren gets on a nightly basis and you add in his snap shot it would be an immediate boost.

 

[Chaels Arms]

His skating ability gives him room for error other d-men don't have. Reminds me a little bit of early McDonagh when it looked for a time like he was going to be a top defensemen in the league before he suffered some injuries and never seemed to have the same explosiveness.