Player Discussion K'Andre Miller

[n8]

I’d resign Braun although the defense really needs to get quicker as a whole top 6. Braun has been good enough that Im sure most would take him back as a 6th or 7th. Jones should get games with Schneider and be given a chance to make the team full time.

If we are going with a vet over a youngster, I'd like to se Gudbranson. 227 minutes on the PK for Calgary with a really good 5.53 PPGA/60. That puts him just under Lindgren/Fox in PPGA/60 but he has lie 30% more SH TOI 174 & 166 min). He was also 37th in the league in hits at 145 which is more than Lindgren. At 6'5" 217 lbs, he's also a big body who will be hard to play against. Calgary had him on a 1 year $1.95M contract last year. I'm sure he'll garner more but if we could dump Nemeth and get him on an affordable short term contract, I think he'd be a good addition. Trading Nemeth might be a tall task. Maybe a team losing a UFA will bite?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I feel like we'd get huge value if we can extend him to a 7 year $30M contract extension. It's a pretty big jump initially but that AAV in his prime would be huge.

He would be absolutely INSANE to sign that deal. You would have to be somewhere in the ball park of 5.5 per for him to even consider a 7 year deal.

 

[GAGLine]

Miller is a guy you lock up long term. No bridge deal for him. He is a player you sign for 6, 7 or 8 years. Drury should not mess this up.

Drury may not have a choice. Cap space will be limited and there will be other players who need new contracts. And even if we can afford to give him a long term contract, that doesn't mean Miller will sign it. He and his agent might prefer a bridge deal and then a much better contract in 2 years when the cap goes up.

 

[RangersFan1994]

If we are going with a vet over a youngster, I'd like to se Gudbranson. 227 minutes on the PK for Calgary with a really good 5.53 PPGA/60. That puts him just under Lindgren/Fox in PPGA/60 but he has lie 30% more SH TOI 174 & 166 min). He was also 37th in the league in hits at 145 which is more than Lindgren. At 6'5" 217 lbs, he's also a big body who will be hard to play against. Calgary had him on a 1 year $1.95M contract last year. I'm sure he'll garner more but if we could dump Nemeth and get him on an affordable short term contract, I think he'd be a good addition. Trading Nemeth might be a tall task. Maybe a team losing a UFA will bite?

I'd love EG. I would gladly take him but I can see some team paying him more than the Rangers can afford.

 

[haohmaru]

Cooper gets a +1 from me for this

 

[SML2]

Miller is a guy you lock up long term. No bridge deal for him. He is a player you sign for 6, 7 or 8 years. Drury should not mess this up.

You win the Norris, you skip the Bridge. Everyone else gets the bridge. This is a team culture thing they have to stick to or this window is going to close before it ever really opens.

 

[GAGLine]

You win the Norris, you skip the Bridge. Everyone else gets the bridge. This is a team culture thing they have to stick to or this window is going to close before it ever really opens.

If that's your rubric for whether or not players should get a long term deal coming out of their ELC, we aren't going to be giving out many long term deals.

The truth of the matter is that we can't give out long term deals if we don't have the cap space to fit them. It remains to be seen whether or not we'll have enough cap space next summer to give either Miller or Laf a long term deal. Either player could prove to be worthy of one, yet still end up getting a bridge deal due to limited cap space.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You win the Norris, you skip the Bridge. Everyone else gets the bridge. This is a team culture thing they have to stick to or this window is going to close before it ever really opens.

I don't fully agree. Yes 90% of 2nd contracts should be bridged, but that isn't always the smartest thing to do with all top young players. What if he explodes to another level next year? Then the bridge looks pretty dumb by us and we are paying him 7M-8M when the bridge expires.

 

[rangers1314]

An 8 year offer should be made to Miller this summer.

 

[17futurecap]

I don't fully agree. Yes 90% of 2nd contracts should be bridged, but that isn't always the smartest thing to do with all top young players. What if he explodes to another level next year? Then the bridge looks pretty dumb by us and we are paying him 7M-8M when the bridge expires.

@Ola talks about this all the time, Gorton bridged way too many guys, the guy he didn’t in Brady, he didn’t work out, but still had good value because he was signed long term.

Big positive as well is you don’t get any movement clauses or no trade clauses for the years you would have been an RFA.

See the Adam Fox deal, his clauses don’t kick in until 2025.

 

[Crease]

A long-term deal (as opposed to a bridge deal) makes the Rangers near-term cap woes even more problematic. I like Miller and think he’s a good long term investment, but the Rangers need to pinch pennies for the next couple seasons.

 

[SML2]

People on this board would have had Brady Skjei locked up to an 8x8 after his ELC ran put if they had their way. Miller is decent. You don't hand him the bag. There is a good chance he gets passed on the depth chart. His offense is limited and he is a nightmare defending the rush. He's caught so far out of position sometimes that I question his hockey IQ. No way I throw 8 years at him with a high number attached. I don't know WTF all these people who a constantly raving about him are watching. Once we don't have the out that he's only been playing defense for 4 years or whatever, we are going to have to take an honest look at what he is onstead of his potential. Im not paying for potential. Potential doesn't win shit. Sign him to the bridge and if he explodes, you have a chip worth a kings ransom. If he does that well, we won't be able to fit him in at what those guys are getting anyway. Nobody can have 2 9m dmen.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

People on this board would have had Brady Skjei locked up to an 8x8 after his ELC ran put if they had their way. Miller is decent. You don't hand him the bag. There is a good chance he gets passed on the depth chart. His offense is limited and he is a nightmare defending the rush. He's caught so far out of position sometimes that I question his hockey IQ. No way I throw 8 years at him with a high number attached. I don't know WTF all these people who a constantly raving about him are watching. Once we don't have the out that he's only been playing defense for 4 years or whatever, we are going to have to take an honest look at what he is onstead of his potential. Im not paying for potential. Potential doesn't win shit. Sign him to the bridge and if he explodes, you have a chip worth a kings ransom. If he does that well, we won't be able to fit him in at what those guys are getting anyway. Nobody can have 2 9m dmen.

Nobody is saying sign him for 8-9M on a long term deal?

But yes you are right, if he explodes then we will never be able to keep him. So I guess you are ok with that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

People on this board would have had Brady Skjei locked up to an 8x8 after his ELC ran put if they had their way. Miller is decent. You don't hand him the bag. There is a good chance he gets passed on the depth chart. His offense is limited and he is a nightmare defending the rush. He's caught so far out of position sometimes that I question his hockey IQ. No way I throw 8 years at him with a high number attached. I don't know WTF all these people who a constantly raving about him are watching. Once we don't have the out that he's only been playing defense for 4 years or whatever, we are going to have to take an honest look at what he is onstead of his potential. Im not paying for potential. Potential doesn't win shit. Sign him to the bridge and if he explodes, you have a chip worth a kings ransom. If he does that well, we won't be able to fit him in at what those guys are getting anyway. Nobody can have 2 9m dmen.

LOL wtf?

This is probably his biggest strength.

 

[GAGLine]

Nobody is saying sign him for 8-9M on a long term deal?

But yes you are right, if he explodes then we will never be able to keep him. So I guess you are ok with that.

That's false. If he explodes, he'll cost more on his next contract. It doesn't mean we won't be able to keep him. Miller isn't even due a new contact until next summer, and if he's bridged for 2 years, that's a total of 3 years before we have to worry about it. Both Kreider and Trouba will be off their NMCs and the cap should be significantly higher by then.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

That's false. If he explodes, he'll cost more on his next contract. It doesn't mean we won't be able to keep him. Miller isn't even due a new contact until next summer, and if he's bridged for 2 years, that's a total of 3 years before we have to worry about it. Both Kreider and Trouba will be off their NMCs and the cap should be significantly higher by then.

We still have to hope we can trade one or both of them. A lot of players will be getting hefty raises in a few years.

 

[Machinehead]

That's false. If he explodes, he'll cost more on his next contract. It doesn't mean we won't be able to keep him. Miller isn't even due a new contact until next summer, and if he's bridged for 2 years, that's a total of 3 years before we have to worry about it. Both Kreider and Trouba will be off their NMCs and the cap should be significantly higher by then.

"The cap should be significantly higher" is starting to sound like Grand Theft Auto 6. Any year now.

 

[GAGLine]

"The cap should be significantly higher" is starting to sound like Grand Theft Auto 6. Any year now.

The cap is currently artificially low to allow the players to pay back what they owe. Once they pay it off, the cap will return to where it should be. New TV deals. Higher revenues. Unless something else happens to stop them from playing hockey, the cap will go up significantly.

 

[Machinehead]

The cap is currently artificially low to allow the players to pay back what they owe. Once they pay it off, the cap will return to where it should be. New TV deals. Higher revenues. Unless something else happens to stop them from playing hockey, the cap will go up significantly.

It was stagnant before covid.

It's gone up 13 million in the last nine seasons, an 18% increase.

In the ten seasons prior, it went up 30 million. A 76%(!!!) increase.

You know what has gone up 76% since 2014? Salaries.

Miller could easily get 9.5 (Fox's contract). In 2012, Karlsson got 6.5 coming off of a historic Norris season. Salaries outstripping the cap fourfold isn't a covid thing.

 

[SML2]

LOL wtf?

This is probably his biggest strength.

I disagree. What he's good at is tracking a guy down in a foot race and disrupting a play. What he's bad at is skating backwards into his own zone and reading the play coming at him, especially an odd man rush. Laying out like a starfish doesnt pass as defense in the best league in the world.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I disagree. What he's good at is tracking a guy down in a foot race and disrupting a play. What he's bad at is skating backwards into his own zone and reading the play coming at him, especially an odd man rush. Laying out like a starfish doesnt pass as defense in the best league in the world.

He has one of the highest break up rates in the league and easily the highest on the team.

Don’t let your confirmation bias fool you.

 

[Raspewtin]

People on this board would have had Brady Skjei locked up to an 8x8 after his ELC ran put if they had their way. Miller is decent. You don't hand him the bag. There is a good chance he gets passed on the depth chart. His offense is limited and he is a nightmare defending the rush. He's caught so far out of position sometimes that I question his hockey IQ. No way I throw 8 years at him with a high number attached. I don't know WTF all these people who a constantly raving about him are watching. Once we don't have the out that he's only been playing defense for 4 years or whatever, we are going to have to take an honest look at what he is onstead of his potential. Im not paying for potential. Potential doesn't win shit. Sign him to the bridge and if he explodes, you have a chip worth a kings ransom. If he does that well, we won't be able to fit him in at what those guys are getting anyway. Nobody can have 2 9m dmen.

legit one of the worst takes i’ve ever seen lol

just absolutely nothing correct

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

People on this board would have had Brady Skjei locked up to an 8x8 after his ELC ran put if they had their way. Miller is decent. You don't hand him the bag. There is a good chance he gets passed on the depth chart. His offense is limited and he is a nightmare defending the rush. He's caught so far out of position sometimes that I question his hockey IQ. No way I throw 8 years at him with a high number attached. I don't know WTF all these people who a constantly raving about him are watching. Once we don't have the out that he's only been playing defense for 4 years or whatever, we are going to have to take an honest look at what he is onstead of his potential. Im not paying for potential. Potential doesn't win shit. Sign him to the bridge and if he explodes, you have a chip worth a kings ransom. If he does that well, we won't be able to fit him in at what those guys are getting anyway. Nobody can have 2 9m dmen.

I don't know who you're watching thinking it's K'andre Miller, but just so you know, he wears #79 out there.

Big #79 can be seen using his sublime skating, wingspan, and incredible play reading to break up plays in the neutral zone routinely. Making it look easy. His defending the rush is probably closer to all world than it is a fault or defect in his game.

This last playoff run he also added effortlessly stripping some of the best players in the world in defending corners, breaking pucks out, grinding, playing mean to his game. He had games of pure and utter domination. I remember at least 2 games where I felt like he was the best player on the ice for either team. Other teams fans said the same thing by the way. Go read the Tampa GDT's where theyre absolutely drooling over him.

What he needs to add to his game to perfect it(like all young guys), is more consistency. He dominates, and then he doesn't, and then he dominates again. It will come with time.

 

[n8]

Cooper gets a +1 from me for this

Damnit, Cooper just added $1M to his AAV right there

Does anyone know how fast K'Andre's slap shot is? I get the feeling it's more in the 80-90 range than the 90-100 range.

 

[SML2]

I don't know who you're watching thinking it's K'andre Miller, but just so you know, he wears #79 out there.

Big #79 can be seen using his sublime skating, wingspan, and incredible play reading to break up plays in the neutral zone routinely. Making it look easy. His defending the rush is probably closer to all world than it is a fault or defect in his game.

This last playoff run he also added effortlessly stripping some of the best players in the world in defending corners, breaking pucks out, grinding, playing mean to his game. He had games of pure and utter domination. I remember at least 2 games where I felt like he was the best player on the ice for either team. Other teams fans said the same thing by the way. Go read the Tampa GDT's where theyre absolutely drooling over him.

What he needs to add to his game to perfect it(like all young guys), is more consistency. He dominates, and then he doesn't, and then he dominates again. It will come with time.

I don't base anything off a bunch of schitzophrenic toolbags on TBL GDTs. Score a goal we're awesome, give one up, it's the end of the world. I am telling you, there is alot to think about on KAM. You go lock him up long term theres a good chance he never takes that next step and then you're stuck with a guy making bank off of potential he never realized. I don't dislike him, but I need him to show me that he's made progress to the next step. Until he gets that consistency, IMO, he gets the bridge deal. I will never be on your side saying this kid makes phenomenal reads. That's complete bullshit. He gets by because he is athletic, but he plays the way you would expect someone who's only been playing Defense as long as he has.