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Kakko vs Lafreniere Revisted; Who do you have more faith in?
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KirkAlbuquerque
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will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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Yea but I think fans are seeing the production levels from kids like J Hughes, Stutzle, Zegras, etc, and wondering why we're not seeing that from Laf and Kakko.
Those teams suck. Laf and Kakko have been as good if not better, how can you argue with that, need I re-post the record?
EdJovanovski
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I hope this is satire but with how much copium some fans are inhaling I’m not sure. LOL
I'm not arguing one bit. I know what's going on. Just guessing what can possibly be going on amongst the dissatisfied, impatient, and disgruntled. Idk, y are ppl giving up on 20-21 yr olds? Maybe they should share an opium den!!
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Voted Laf. Kakko is the least dynamic player I know. Hopefully it is a mental thing he can overcome.
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Honestly neither. Neither have “it”
Kakko probably maxes out as a winger on a shutdown line. Lafreniere is just a guy remind me of Jimmy Vesey and he is never going to get the linemates that he needs.
Rangers should move Kakko if they get value over the offer sheet that they shouldn’t match for him.
Lafreniere you can give one more chance to because he doesn’t need a raise yet, but there is not a whole lot of reason for optimism with either unless Lafreniere can stick on top line; but that essentially ramrods Kakko so going to have to make some choices.
Kakko probably maxes out as a winger on a shutdown line. Lafreniere is just a guy remind me of Jimmy Vesey and he is never going to get the linemates that he needs.
Rangers should move Kakko if they get value over the offer sheet that they shouldn’t match for him.
Lafreniere you can give one more chance to because he doesn’t need a raise yet, but there is not a whole lot of reason for optimism with either unless Lafreniere can stick on top line; but that essentially ramrods Kakko so going to have to make some choices.
will1066
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I like Lafreniere more as a player, but they both should be fine. Give them the minutes they need and the opportunity and they'll be fine. I'm honestly not nearly as worried as most others are. Why? Because context.
I don't know how many times it needs to be said but they're not on a Detroit or an Ottawa or a Buffalo. That is baptism by fire.
Patience. We have one Cup in 82 years. Our standards are quite low anyway.
I don't know how many times it needs to be said but they're not on a Detroit or an Ottawa or a Buffalo. That is baptism by fire.
Patience. We have one Cup in 82 years. Our standards are quite low anyway.
I agree with remaining patient, but as I said Svechnikov and Lundell were both drafted by good teams. I know there's more examples out there of other players, I just don't feel like looking them up. Pastrnak perhaps, was another first year star in the league who was drafted by an already good team. Then you have first overalls who were drafted by weak teams, and they didn't perform well either (ie, T Hall, RNH, Yakupov for Edmonton).
No clue. Did come out publicly and make a statement. Robin Lehner and Shayne Corson did as well. The case of Derek Boogard is perhaps the saddest, most tragic. The only point I was trying to make in response to your comment is that HIPPA laws protect your rights to confidentiality. Even if u were a minor, yes your parents would obviously know you're in therapy, but they don't have access to what's being discussed in session. When you're 18 yrs of age or older, no one has to know you're in therapy so it's impossible for anyone to track which hockey players are working with a Psychiatrist (or Psychologist, Social Worker, etc) even if for some crazy reason we wanted to know. Aamof, Kakko could already be seeing a therapist, how would u or I know
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Almost every player posted in here as a comparable is a year or two older than our boys. They have been frustrating at times but they need time. Laf should be looking at a big swing next year, not suggesting a finished product but a year in which he takes a big step and starts to assert himself in the league. He also appears to have a dynamic personality that really does have value in a locker rom and within a team game like hockey.
Kakko really should be asserting himself in the league right now but his season has been a bit of a mess. I think it is very important to see how kakko finishes this year when he comes back healthy, he's had spurts this year of really good play and he needs to find the consistency. At this point it is up to him to grab a top 6 role and force the coaches to keep him there.
I think that is something that is lost in some of this, coaches want young players to force them to keep them high in the lineup, it is a challenge from coaches. Neither of these kids walked in here and set the world on fire, and people can bellyache about usage but for the most part when these two have gotten top 6 time they haven't produced consistently. Part of it is their youth and I think kakko would have benefitted greatly from an extra year in europe and laf got affected quite a bit by the covid crap. They are on their professional journey and by this time next year we will know an awful lot about both of them.
Kakko really should be asserting himself in the league right now but his season has been a bit of a mess. I think it is very important to see how kakko finishes this year when he comes back healthy, he's had spurts this year of really good play and he needs to find the consistency. At this point it is up to him to grab a top 6 role and force the coaches to keep him there.
I think that is something that is lost in some of this, coaches want young players to force them to keep them high in the lineup, it is a challenge from coaches. Neither of these kids walked in here and set the world on fire, and people can bellyache about usage but for the most part when these two have gotten top 6 time they haven't produced consistently. Part of it is their youth and I think kakko would have benefitted greatly from an extra year in europe and laf got affected quite a bit by the covid crap. They are on their professional journey and by this time next year we will know an awful lot about both of them.
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Okay I guess the emojis are because you can’t actually articulate what has been shown on-ice to make me think differently. I’m open to having my mind changed, I just have not seen any evidence of why I should expect consistency from either of these players that justify the raises they are going to ask for. The Rangers cap situation is very tight and they cannot overpay guys if they are going to be passengers.
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I was messing around with the emojis but I will articulate my opinion
kakko you may be right, but my opinion on him won’t be completely decided till he’s 24 or so. He’s a power forward with an emphasis on lower body power. Right now he’s still a kid learning how to use his body. You are right that he will probably never be a 100 point player but I can easily see him as a consistent 30-30 guy down the line
laf I disagree with you on. I still see him as huberdeau and honestly the more top minutes he receives and the eventual PP time that will come with is he’s your casual 80 point player who will have season that reach over 90. The kid reminds me of like messier lite. Not afraid to throw the body but will score in bunches. He dominated his peers and I still think he will
None of those players would be getting the icetime or PP time they are getting with their current teams. Hughes and Zegras are not taking time from Strome and Zibanejad. Stutzle would not take icetime from Kreider or Panarin. Anaheim is a decent team, but NJ and Ottawa are awful. Which is the case for most players who make the jump to the NHL as an 18-19 year old.
Well Kakko and Lundell are both second liners on good teams. However only Lundell is standing out thus far. I also mentioned Svechnikov on Carolina. Idk if he's first line, second line, but he's sure contributing a lot to that team's success. Now if one were to argue that Svechnikov gets lots more ice time than Kakko, I understand, but again, the Canes are in first place. Are we to say that if Panarin wasn't here, and Kakko gets more ice time, the Rangers would still be as good as they are with Panarin (just using Artemi as an example)?
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