Kadri

[Avs71]

That's f***ing horse shit. Wilson gets a $5k fine, and Kadri gets 5+ games for basically the same thing.

Kadri deserves every game he gets.

If this was Schenn on Girard, we would all be absolutely losing it.

Similar to how the Avs felt Downie wasn’t worth the hassle, I think Kadri is gone from the Avs this off-season. Be it Seattle or Buffalo, I bet Sakic has seen enough.

 

[Richard88]

That means 5+. Looks like Parros wants to toss the book at Kadri.

Some of the stuff Wilson has done has been way more egregious and had more intent to injure than Kadri's hit, so it would be pretty ridiculous if Kadri got significantly more than Wilson ($5k no games) or Bennett (1 game). Kadri has prior history, but technically no history in the last 2 years so that shouldn't be a factor.

 

[Richard88]

Kadri deserves every game he gets.

If this was Schenn on Girard, we would all be absolutely losing it.

Similar to how the Avs felt Downie wasn’t worth the hassle, I think Kadri is gone from the Avs this off-season. Be it Seattle or Buffalo, I bet Sakic has seen enough.

If we can convert Kadri into Danault or Reinhart that would be ideal. Either we'd have an elite defensive C who can play 2C, or a young C who can move to RW if Newhook claims the 2C spot. Either way Mackinnon + Newhook + Danault/Reinhart + Jost would be excellent depth. Kadri is a 2C but the center depth just doesn't feel as complete with him there given his shortcomings and tendency to float and be a non-factor shift-to-shift too often.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Honestly, I’m considering moving on from Kadri in the off-season and it has nothing to do with his upcoming suspension.

His play just hasn’t been good enough for a long time now. It might be time to move some prospects picks to get another 2C in the off-season.

 

[Islay1989]

We can repeat this he's not a repeat offender spiel until we are blue in the face. His suspensions from the past matter.

What is a "Repeat Offender"?

A Player is considered a repeat offender for 18 months following his most recent incident that resulted in a suspension. His status as a repeat offender in this category is used to determine the amount of salary forfeited should he receive another suspension.
It is important to note that even if a Player is not defined as a repeat offender, his past history may come into consideration when determining future Supplemental Discipline.

How much money does a Player forfeit when suspended?

Non-repeat offenders lose salary based on the number of days in the season. For example, if there are 190 days in a season, a three game suspension would cost a non-repeat offender 3/190ths of his average salary.
Repeat offenders lose salary based on the number of games in a season (82). For example, a three game suspension would cost a repeat offender 3/82nds of his average salary.

 

[redacted]

That's f***ing horse shit. Wilson gets a $5k fine, and Kadri gets 5+ games for basically the same thing.

Some of the stuff Wilson has done has been way more egregious and had more intent to injure than Kadri's hit, so it would be pretty ridiculous if Kadri got significantly more than Wilson ($5k no games) or Bennett (1 game). Kadri has prior history, but technically no history in the last 2 years so that shouldn't be a factor.

The random wheel of justice will continue.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Everyone seems to forget he turned the Puck over in Game 7 vs Dallas to tie the game

So the dude has an incredible post-season and what you take from it is that he turned over the puck once in game 7?

This is the problem here, the good (or at worst, satisfactory) play of Kadri gets completely overlooked because of one or two moments of bad. Kadri can't possibly have been a good player because you know he turned the puck over that one time.

This is the reason this forum always has someone to hate. Compher, Jost, Kadri, Graves, Nemeth, Zadorov, etc. One false step and they are public enemy #1.

Has Kadri been good? He's not been great, that's for sure. Is he a liability every time he is on the ice? No, not at all.

I'm not defending the hit, the hit was really bad and if he gets a suspension he earned it. But to act like the guy is a waste of a roster spot is letting emotions get on top of you. Thank goodness we didn't lose the game last night because the Kadri pitchforks would be out in full force.

 

[Ararana]

Kadri could use a good sit, he's been pretty lackluster for a while now. Unlike the Leafs I don't see this impacting the series too much. MacKinnon - Jost - Newhook - Soderberg.

 

[redacted]

Simply put for this postseason, the Avs can't do anything about the Kadri spot. It simply can't be solved right now other than some players massively stepping up. For the Avs to get past the Carolina/Tampa/Boston/Toronto/Pitts of the world... the Avs need Kadri to play well and get going. The Avs don't have the center depth to contend with an Aho-Trocheck-Staal rotation and win 2/3 of those battles consistently without Kadri playing well.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Simply put for this postseason, the Avs can't do anything about the Kadri spot. It simply can't be solved right now other than some players massively stepping up. For the Avs to get past the Carolina/Tampa/Boston/Toronto/Pitts of the world... the Avs need Kadri to play well and get going. The Avs don't have the center depth to contend with an Aho-Trocheck-Staal rotation and win 2/3 of those battles consistently without Kadri playing well.

Riight. They don't have a true 2C that will drive offense for the line. They have to cobble it together with effective line combinations. Honestly, it was kind of there before this.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Simply put for this postseason, the Avs can't do anything about the Kadri spot. It simply can't be solved right now other than some players massively stepping up. For the Avs to get past the Carolina/Tampa/Boston/Toronto/Pitts of the world... the Avs need Kadri to play well and get going. The Avs don't have the center depth to contend with an Aho-Trocheck-Staal rotation and win 2/3 of those battles consistently without Kadri playing well.

I disagree here.

I understand it hasn’t been against strong centre ice teams, but the Avs have been rolling along with Kadri as a passenger for a long time now.

Talent for talent they can match any of those teams aside from Tampa even with Kadri playing like crap.

 

[Richard88]

Simply put for this postseason, the Avs can't do anything about the Kadri spot. It simply can't be solved right now other than some players massively stepping up. For the Avs to get past the Carolina/Tampa/Boston/Toronto/Pitts of the world... the Avs need Kadri to play well and get going. The Avs don't have the center depth to contend with an Aho-Trocheck-Staal rotation and win 2/3 of those battles consistently without Kadri playing well.

What's your solution? Who do you play with Kadri to get him going? Move Saad back with Kadri and Burakovsky? Put Nichuskin with Kadri and reduce the effectiveness of the Jost line? Fortunately we have several options, but in the last 2 months or so Kadri has struggled regardless of who he's been played with. Maybe going back to Newhook at C with Kadri on the wing would work.

Maybe something like the lineup below would work?

Landeskog -- Mackinnon --- Rantanen
Kadri ---------- Newhook ---- Burakovsky
Nichuskin ------- Jost -------- Saad
Compher ------ Bellemare --- Donskoi

Donskoi would get PP1 time to help him get some more minutes, and could also slide into the top 9 if anyone is having an off night, or even in place of Nichuskin if we are trailing and need a goal rather than just shutting it down defensively.

 

[Ararana]

Simply put for this postseason, the Avs can't do anything about the Kadri spot. It simply can't be solved right now other than some players massively stepping up. For the Avs to get past the Carolina/Tampa/Boston/Toronto/Pitts of the world... the Avs need Kadri to play well and get going. The Avs don't have the center depth to contend with an Aho-Trocheck-Staal rotation and win 2/3 of those battles consistently without Kadri playing well.

At least Kadri pulled it in a series that's half won and already lopsided. Maybe a sit will get his head on right and get him ready for Vegas - Tampa/Carolina.

 

[redacted]

Riight. They don't have a true 2C that will drive offense for the line. They have to cobble it together with effective line combinations. Honestly, it was kind of there before this.

When Kadri is playing well, he's a good to even great 2C... he's just inconsistent because he's a talented dummy.

 

[Richard88]

I disagree here.

I understand it hasn’t been against strong centre ice teams, but the Avs have been rolling along with Kadri as a passenger for a long time now.

Talent for talent they can match any of those teams aside from Tampa even with Kadri playing like crap.

They've been rolling along with Kadri as a passenger, that's true, but the West division doesn't have a single team that has great C depth. Neither Vegas or Minnesota have high end C's, and though St. Louis have O'Reilly he's more elite defensively rather than prolific offensively. Once the Avs face teams with strong depth at C their own lack of C depth will be far more glaring - unless Kadri can improve to playing at a decent 2C level.

 

[redacted]

What's your solution? Who do you play with Kadri to get him going? Move Saad back with Kadri and Burakovsky? Put Nichuskin with Kadri and reduce the effectiveness of the Jost line? Fortunately we have several options, but in the last 2 months or so Kadri has struggled regardless of who he's been played with. Maybe going back to Newhook at C with Kadri on the wing would work.

Maybe something like the lineup below would work?

Landeskog -- Mackinnon --- Rantanen
Kadri ---------- Newhook ---- Burakovsky
Nichuskin ------- Jost -------- Saad
Compher ------ Bellemare --- Donskoi

Donskoi would get PP1 time to help him get some more minutes, and could also slide into the top 9 if anyone is having an off night, or even in place of Nichuskin if we are trailing and need a goal rather than just shutting it down defensively.

I'd have moved Saad with Kadri right at the beginning of the series. Kadri's success is critical to the Avs' Cup chances and I think Saad is the best chance to get him going. If that didn't work, I'd put Nuke with him. This hurts the Jost line, but frankly the Jost line isn't as important. After that, I'd put Newhook on Kadri's wing. If that doesn't work, the Avs have probably lost a series and you're looking at next season.

Center depth is critical in the NHL, and I know Jost has done well in his role lately... but the best teams have an elite 3C in that spot who are actually capable of picking up slack when a 2C goes cold. Jost is going to get his shot to prove or disprove that he's that guy. Only time will tell.

 

[John Mandalorian]

When Kadri is playing well, he's a good to even great 2C... he's just inconsistent because he's a talented dummy.

Are you sure he's still that, or is that what he once was?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

What's your solution? Who do you play with Kadri to get him going? Move Saad back with Kadri and Burakovsky? Put Nichuskin with Kadri and reduce the effectiveness of the Jost line? Fortunately we have several options, but in the last 2 months or so Kadri has struggled regardless of who he's been played with. Maybe going back to Newhook at C with Kadri on the wing would work.

Maybe something like the lineup below would work?

Landeskog -- Mackinnon --- Rantanen
Kadri ---------- Newhook ---- Burakovsky
Nichuskin ------- Jost -------- Saad
Compher ------ Bellemare --- Donskoi

Donskoi would get PP1 time to help him get some more minutes, and could also slide into the top 9 if anyone is having an off night, or even in place of Nichuskin if we are trailing and need a goal rather than just shutting it down defensively.

Honestly, I go back to the line that worked all season a year ago... Bura/Naz/Nuke. Then I put Saad with Jost and Dong.

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[redacted]

Are you sure he's still that, or is that what he once was?

Yeah, positive. When he's on a heater, he actually plays closer to a 1... he is just terribly inconsistent.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

They've been rolling along with Kadri as a passenger, that's true, but the West division doesn't have a single team that has great C depth. Neither Vegas or Minnesota have high end C's, and though St. Louis have O'Reilly he's more elite defensively rather than prolific offensively. Once the Avs face teams with strong depth at C their own lack of C depth will be far more glaring - unless Kadri can improve to playing at a decent 2C level.

We can’t just completely overlook the rest of the roster here.

Tampa and Carolina have great defences, but Colorado has a clear advantage on D and in goal over a lot of those other teams.

 

[redacted]

We can’t just completely overlook the rest of the roster here.

Tampa and Carolina have great defences, but Colorado has a clear advantage on D and in goal over a lot of those other teams.

I wouldn't say Colorado has a clear advantage on defense against Carolina (I don't think they have one at all), they likely have one in net... but that is becoming less sure by the day. Avs are clearly above Tampa on defense, but Tampa has a huge upgrade in net.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I wouldn't say Colorado has a clear advantage on defense against Carolina (I don't think they have one at all), they likely have one in net... but that is becoming less sure by the day. Avs are clearly above Tampa on defense, but Tampa has a huge upgrade in net.

That’s not what I said, Hench. Reread my post.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Yeah, positive. When he's on a heater, he actually plays closer to a 1... he is just terribly inconsistent.

Maybe...but that's kind of buying lottery tickets.

Burakovsky has been the biggest driver of that line. He creates a lot for himself and isn't really the ideal partner with Kadri. If you look at Tyson Jost as an individual player, his it's hard to imagine him reaching Kadri's ceiling (at least up until fairly recently). But since Burakovsky is kind of a lone ranger anyway, you can feed him chances by either having a linemate with playmaking skills (which Kardi is not) or you can create chaos at the offensive end that lead to a volume of chances. The latter is something that the tandom of Jost and Nichushkin provides at the moment.

The 2nd line is and has largely been the Burakovsky line.

 

[Garavar]

So the dude has an incredible post-season and what you take from it is that he turned over the puck once in game 7?

This is the problem here, the good (or at worst, satisfactory) play of Kadri gets completely overlooked because of one or two moments of bad. Kadri can't possibly have been a good player because you know he turned the puck over that one time.

This is the reason this forum always has someone to hate. Compher, Jost, Kadri, Graves, Nemeth, Zadorov, etc. One false step and they are public enemy #1.

Has Kadri been good? He's not been great, that's for sure. Is he a liability every time he is on the ice? No, not at all.

I'm not defending the hit, the hit was really bad and if he gets a suspension he earned it. But to act like the guy is a waste of a roster spot is letting emotions get on top of you. Thank goodness we didn't lose the game last night because the Kadri pitchforks would be out in full force.

No then point is from Game 7 to present he has sucked. That's enough time to decide to cut the cord.

 

[Richard88]

I'd have moved Saad with Kadri right at the beginning of the series. Kadri's success is critical to the Avs' Cup chances and I think Saad is the best chance to get him going. If that didn't work, I'd put Nuke with him. This hurts the Jost line, but frankly the Jost line isn't as important. After that, I'd put Newhook on Kadri's wing. If that doesn't work, the Avs have probably lost a series and you're looking at next season.

Center depth is critical in the NHL, and I know Jost has done well in his role lately... but the best teams have an elite 3C in that spot who are actually capable of picking up slack when a 2C goes cold. Jost is going to get his shot to prove or disprove that he's that guy. Only time will tell.

Agree completely that center depth is critical. We saw that last year against Dallas as they overran our bottom 6 too often due to our 3rd line being completely dysfunctional. Pavelski-Hintz-Faksa-Dickinson made a big difference for them in that series (though it wasn't the only difference maker obviously, as injuries for the Avs and special teams also helped).