39 pts or 0.53 ppg is rather low for a second line center.Bozak at 0.6 ppg is barely second line territory.There were over 125 forwards with more points last season.
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39 pts or 0.53 ppg is rather low for a second line center.Bozak at 0.6 ppg is barely second line territory.There were over 125 forwards with more points last season.
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He certainly had a down year (and deserves criticism for it) - but a 43 point pace is still top six territory in today's low scoring NHL.
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And there are 180 "top six" forward jobs it today's NHL.
He had a down year yet still out up middle of the pack top six numbers.
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hes not much of a finisher, but he can really create chances...and hes created the most offense and dangerous chances for us so far this year imo
so a player like this would benefit from better wingers, and their games would be enhanced too...so after 2 games of being our best offensive forward, he gets to play with grabner? hes been treated like this his entire time here
man this team isn't gonna score much, even with so many good chances...most of our guys are hustle players with stone hands...we have butchered so many point blank scoring chances already lol
so a player like this would benefit from better wingers, and their games would be enhanced too...so after 2 games of being our best offensive forward, he gets to play with grabner? hes been treated like this his entire time here
man this team isn't gonna score much, even with so many good chances...most of our guys are hustle players with stone hands...we have butchered so many point blank scoring chances already lol
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Yeah this sensibility is on full display here:
Statements like Kadri's a third line centre (as if that's a fact).
Kadri will at best be Ribeiro (as if someone can see the future).
"Analysis" based only on points and ice-time only looking at Kadri's worst year ignoring the others which for some reason limits itself to at 5 players.
Yadayadayada. But god forbid anyone poke holes in this ridiculous statements, then they're pegged as "fanboys" who are pumping up Kadri.
Same old, same old ...
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Incomplete, superficial and cherry-picked analysis. Other than that, well done.
Clearly the words cherry picking would not fit the quick exercise that i did. Cherry picking picking would me going through all 30 teams and picking only the teams that fit the criteria. Not my fault the alphabet starts with the letter "A".
Just in case you have any doubt what a word may mean http://www.merriam-webster.com/ ... you're welcome.
Yeah this sensibility is on full display here:
Statements like Kadri's a third line centre (as if that's a fact).
Kadri will at best be Ribeiro (as if someone can see the future).
"Analysis" based only on points and ice-time only looking at Kadri's worst year ignoring the others which for some reason limits itself to at 5 players.
Yadayadayada. But god forbid anyone poke holes in this ridiculous statements, then they're pegged as "fanboys" who are pumping up Kadri.
Same old, same old ...
Do you think a team will ever win a Stanley Cup, be it the Leafs or some other team, with Kadri as a top 6 forward on their team? I don't. But I think you do.
What's really funny is how some posters on here can only cling to a shortened season from 2 or 3 years ago to support their position. That leads them to comparing the player to some of the very very best in the game, including Zetterberg, a future hall of famer (if only we could go back further into a posters history, but alas).
I'm not sure why some people on here have decided to argue so vehemently that an otherwise average marginal player is anything different, but I can tell you what's coming next, and that is the "surprise" in their posts when they see what Kadri is ultimately traded for and how the rest of the league views his "elite" level production.
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Its a what have you done for me lately league, by all measures a kid his age should see an upward statistical trajectory as he learns the league. I don't doubt his skill I doubt his commitment to be consistent.
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Clearly the words cherry picking would not fit the quick exercise that i did. Cherry picking picking would me going through all 30 teams and picking only the teams that fit the criteria. Not my fault the alphabet starts with the letter "A".
Just in case you have any doubt what a word may mean http://www.merriam-webster.com/ ... you're welcome.
What I said was "Incomplete, superficial and cherry-picked"
The fact that you only used a couple of teams - incomplete.
The fact that you zeroed in on the season that was Kadri's worst by far in terms of point production - cherry picked.
Perhaps you can figure out superficial without my help?
You're welcome.
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See this is the kind of mindless post I've been reading here for ages now.
Will a team ever win the cup with KAdri blah blah blah - I can't predict the future, apparently you can.
Do you think there has never been a team that won the cup with a top 6 forward who wasn't better than Kadri? Really?Your use of the word "elite" is telling. Also this Zetterberg nonsense. It's you aren't capable of anything but building up strawmen and then knocking them down, why even post here? You're only making yourself look foolish.
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What I said was "Incomplete, superficial and cherry-picked"
The fact that you only used a couple of teams - incomplete.
The fact that you zeroed in on the season that was Kadri's worst by far in terms of point production - cherry picked.
Perhaps you can figure out superficial without my help?
You're welcome.
Defined sample size, use the link I sent you ...
The reason why I picked the most recent season is its is the most recent season, no other reason... tin foil?
If you want a statistical analysis complied by Ernst and Young.. fill your boots but on a forum you get what you pay for .
See this is the kind of mindless post I've been reading here for ages now.
Will a team ever win the cup with KAdri blah blah blah - I can't predict the future, apparently you can.
Your use of the word "elite" is telling. Also this Zetterberg nonsense. It's you aren't capable of anything but building up strawmen and then knocking them down, why even post here? You're only making yourself look foolish.
If your embarrassed for your own words from 6 months ago, that's not my problem. You would be better off continuing to try and support your previous arguments versus now backtracking by saying you never made them.
And, yes, I'm able to watch hockey and know what great teams look like. They don't have players like Kadri playing prominent positions on their hockey club, i.e., one dimensional lazy hockey players who thinks the game at a below average level. You can't win a Stanley Cup with those players playing big minutes for you. Judging by your previous posts, though, I doubt you would agree.
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Which words were those? I suspect your memory resides in some fantasy realm. To use your words - that's not my problem. Have a nice day.
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It's quite a change in opinion from page 1 of this thread until now, just read page 1 and the only voice of reason was Mess
I bet the Hawks couldn't win a cup with Kadri as their #2C, he would embarrass himself alongside classy winners like Patrick Kane.
In theory there are 180 top 6 forwards in the NHL, so those numbers are absolutely top 6.
You realize that there are technically 90 first line players in the league?
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since a team will never win a stanley cup with nazem kadri as a top 6 forward on its roster the leafs will be closer to winning a stanley cup after trading nazem kadri. can't wait!
Prove that.
Chicago just won two Stanley Cups without another center other than Toews putting up points at a rate Kadri did last season.
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it's the most puzzling 'argument'/projection/prediction - 'he will never be a top-6 player on a cup winning team'
like this statement would have been true of Sundin, do you recognise that? like someone on a 1995 analogue to this god forsaken place could have been like, mark my words, this guy might look like he's alright but he will never be a top six player on a cup winning team
andthat person would have been technically correct
as if that would have kept good teams from wanting Sundin to play for them.
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like this statement would have been true of Sundin, do you recognise that? like someone on a 1995 analogue to this god forsaken place could have been like, mark my words, this guy might look like he's alright but he will never be a top six player on a cup winning team
andthat person would have been technically correct
as if that would have kept good teams from wanting Sundin to play for them.
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I don't know how you can call him one dimensional - even the eye test shows he plays Defense. And I'm really not sure what you mean about "thinks the game at a below average level".
As for the second half, I haven't seen anything tangible that suggests that Kadri can't be part of a contending team. I get that you don't think he can - but this is just a subjective opinion at this point.
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