Kadri player discssion thread.

[dimi78]

And Babcock's system teaches players to be responsible on D first.Which most forwards only do because they are told to do so.Take a look at the last Olympic team,so much firepower held back to be responsible in all areas of the ice.And guess what,they won.

Babcock system is to be responsible with the puck. It's not a defense 1st system. It's about puck possession which is what the Canadian Olympic did to win. They dominated the puck and barely had to play defense. Another words he used the players skill levels to there strengths. You think they would have been so successful trapping?

When it comes to Los Angeles Kings coach Darryl Sutter, he’s usually viewed as a coach who will opt to have his team defend the puck at all costs, even at possible detriment to his offense.

In speaking about new acquisition Marian Gaborik with Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal, he turns that notion on its ear with his thoughts on what he feels the NHL is like now.

“The game’s changed. They think there’s defending in today’s game. Nah, it’s how much you have the puck. Teams that play around in their own zone they they’re defending but they’re generally getting scored on or taking face-offs and they need a goalie to stand on his head if that’s the way they play,” said Sutter.

We won’t go digging into advanced statistics and scare you away with numbers, but it boils down to a basic thought that Red Wings coach Mike Babcock got known for when they won the Stanley Cup in 2008. If you have the puck, the other team won’t and that means they can’t score.

Seems like a simple plan, but it’s one that works and when it’s played to perfection it’s a stifling, dominating way to play hockey. Just look at Team Canada in the Olympics who ran Babcock’s ideal kind of game to the letter.

So next time you think a team is being “trapped” to death or they’re “sitting on a lead” they might just be playing keep-away and making you pull your hair out just the same.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2014/03/10/kings-coach-sutter-says-teams-dont-defend-they-possess-the-puck/

 

[Gary Nylund]

Perhaps he is misremembering:

http://tipofthetower.com/2014/10/22...adri-thinks-will-develop-tavares-like-player/

I wonder if all the best players hit their peak earlier, of if an older player can still elevate their game into that level? First thought was Benn, but even at 22 he had 63 points. Voracek had 50 points as a 20 year old.

Yes I suppose it's possible that according to his memory, that article mentioned Zetterberg instead of Tavares and was written by me, who the hell knows.

As far as hitting their peak goes, yes it seems like that's happening earlier these days. As far as Kadri goes, I don't expect him to ever reach the level of say Benn, I do think he hasn't been in an ideal situation to thrive, he can and will be better this year - yes I think he can elevate his game. He's already a good #2C IMO, if he improves to the point where there only say 30 centres in the league who are better, I'd be thrilled.

 

[Ovate]

LA Kings-- Kopitar and Carter

Blackhawks-- Toews and ____

Ducks-- Getzlaf and Kesler

Detroit-- Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Brad Rirchards

Pittsburgh-- Crosby and Malkin

NYR-- Stepan and Brassard

TBL-- Johnson and Stamkos

Really, the only spot there is behind Toews, and that works only because they have Patrick Kane on the wing, a generational talent. Facts are that Kadri would not be a #2 center on any of those teams.. And he certainly wouldn't be the #2 center on Chicago with a 6 million dollar plus year contract. He's a #3 center on pretty much every contenders roster.

Not exactly sure how you chose the teams. Detroit's far from a contender, and LA missed the playoffs.

Plus, Kadri is already better than Richards, who is Detroit's #2 in the likely scenario that Z and Datsyuk play on the same line (if they're ever healthy at the same time).

I'd even say he could be as good as Carter and Kesler are currently. Those are 50-60 point guys with good defensive play. We'll see if Kadri can do that this year.

What about the other teams that made the playoffs last year and are very likely to make it this year too.

Islanders - Tavares and Nielson
Capitals - Backstrom and Kuznetzov
Senators - Turris and Zibanejad
Wild - Granlund and Koivu
Predators - Ribeiro and Fisher
Blues - Backes and Stastny/Lehtera

I'd take Kadri over any of those #2s and a couple of those #1s. He can absolutely be a #2 on a cup winning team.

 

[HockeyCA]

Not exactly sure how you chose the teams. Detroit's far from a contender, and LA missed the playoffs.

Plus, Kadri is already better than Richards, who is Detroit's #2 in the likely scenario that Z and Datsyuk play on the same line (if they're ever healthy at the same time).

I'd even say he could be as good as Carter and Kesler are currently. Those are 50-60 point guys with good defensive play. We'll see if Kadri can do that this year.

What about the other teams that made the playoffs last year and are very likely to make it this year too.

Islanders - Tavares and Nielson
Capitals - Backstrom and Kuznetzov
Senators - Turris and Zibanejad
Wild - Granlund and Koivu
Predators - Ribeiro and Fisher
Blues - Backes and Stastny/Lehtera

I'd take Kadri over any of those #2s and a couple of those #1s. He can absolutely be a #2 on a cup winning team.

I stopped reading after Jeff Carter, who many around the league I'm sure consider to be one of the top centers in the game..

A lot of the other stuff, let's just say I strongly disagree with. If Kadri wasn't on the Leafs, I have a feeling you would have a much different opinion of him.

 

[KrazyKat]

Im not sure where to post this, but as a flyers fan, i was just wondering how you see this team looks in 2-3 years? Which players are the CORE players. Who will stay, who will go. And also do you see someone like stamkos on the leafs anytime soon?

 

[LeafsMonster]

That might also be true. Nowhere to go but up.

Well we could do what we've been doing for so many years now, just not move at all

 

[King85Kong]

Somebody should tell that Carlyle..... FYI a lot of people like to talk about defense but not many know that becoming good defensively for most offensive players like 90% of them it's experience from losing that teaches them how to anticipate that part of the game.

Toews and Bergeron are anomaly's to come into the league with the defensive awareness they have. Heck Gretzky at no time was he a complete player. His strength was so damn above better than anybody else he and his line mates were always in the offensive zone in do to his strength to a puck possession game.

If you want to grow players coaches need to be hands off from youths strengths and PROMOTE THE HECK OF IT AT THE EARLY GOING.

I totally agree. Find what someone is good at and exploit the heck out of it.

Babcock system is to be responsible with the puck. It's not a defense 1st system. It's about puck possession which is what the Canadian Olympic did to win. They dominated the puck and barely had to play defense. Another words he used the players skill levels to there strengths. You think they would have been so successful trapping?

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2014/03/10/kings-coach-sutter-says-teams-dont-defend-they-possess-the-puck/

I really like this style of coaching, defense through offense. Its hard to score if you don't get the puck.

 

[Ovate]

I stopped reading after Jeff Carter, who many around the league I'm sure consider to be one of the top centers in the game..

A lot of the other stuff, let's just say I strongly disagree with. If Kadri wasn't on the Leafs, I have a feeling you would have a much different opinion of him.

Maybe if you didn't stop reading the moment you saw something you disagreed with, you'd learn something.

I'm also talking about Jeff Carter. He's a 30/30 player with possession driving play, although he does benefit from favourable zone starts and matchups. Any team would love to have him, but he's not a #1 on a contender.

It's ok to say you disagree that Kadri is better than #2s on the contenders I listed. But could you explain why you disagree, and what you think Kadri needs to do to improve your opinion of him?

 

[Swayze*]

Im not sure where to post this, but as a flyers fan, i was just wondering how you see this team looks in 2-3 years? Which players are the CORE players. Who will stay, who will go. And also do you see someone like stamkos on the leafs anytime soon?

Honestly. The only core piece on the roster now is Reilly and even he might not turn out as well as many here think. So 1 player lol

Minors, Marner And Nylander are bluechips beyond them who knows. We dont have much so in 2-3 we'll have more high picks but our nhl team will still be a bottom dweller

 

[Ovate]

Honestly. The only core piece on the roster now is Reilly and even he might not turn out as well as many here think. So 1 player lol

Minors, Marner And Nylander are bluechips beyond them who knows. We dont have much so in 2-3 we'll have more high picks but our nhl team will still be a bottom dweller

I would disagree with that. Let's consider 3 years from now, as Lupul, Bozak and Komarov all have their contracts ending then.

Kadri and Gardiner may not be untouchable, but it's unlikely they'll be moved unless their play deteriorates or they have off ice issues. JVR is likely the same way, he has a future here (on a bigger contract). Bernier may or may not become a starting goaltender and Phaneuf may still be around, if his contract is too big to trade, but I wouldn't pencil them in anywhere

Of the players currently on the roster, our future top6/top4 looks something like this:

JVR-?-?
?-Kadri-?
Rielly-?
Gardiner-?

Marner and Nylander will be two of those top 6 spots, likely one at center and the other at RW.

We have a pretty decent forward prospect pool, and it's likely that at least one of Kapanen or Brown can become a 2nd line forward. If not, someone like Bracco, Johnson, or Dzierkals may step up. Another spot may be able to be filled in free agency.

We may be able to get a top 4 defenseman out of Percy, Harrington, Loov, or Marincin, or Phaneuf may get a spot on the second line. We have some more D prospects with top 4 potential (Dermott, Valiev), but I can't say if they'll be ready in 3 years. The spot opposite Rielly is currently without an heir apparent, although Rielly can play RD if we pick up a good LD. Right now, the most likely scenario is it getting filled by our 2016 1st or Gardiner making a big leap this year.

If Bernier isn't our starting goalie, it will be a free agent. Reimer and our prospects won't be a starter in 3 years.

 

[Snow Dog]

lets face it.As it stands we have a team of support players.

 

[Swayze*]

I would disagree with that. Let's consider 3 years from now, as Lupul, Bozak and Komarov all have their contracts ending then.

Kadri and Gardiner may not be untouchable, but it's unlikely they'll be moved unless their play deteriorates or they have off ice issues. JVR is likely the same way, he has a future here (on a bigger contract). Bernier may or may not become a starting goaltender and Phaneuf may still be around, if his contract is too big to trade, but I wouldn't pencil them in anywhere

Of the players currently on the roster, our future top6/top4 looks something like this:

JVR-?-?
?-Kadri-?
Rielly-?
Gardiner-?

Marner and Nylander will be two of those top 6 spots, likely one at center and the other at RW.

We have a pretty decent forward prospect pool, and it's likely that at least one of Kapanen or Brown can become a 2nd line forward. If not, someone like Bracco, Johnson, or Dzierkals may step up. Another spot may be able to be filled in free agency.

We may be able to get a top 4 defenseman out of Percy, Harrington, Loov, or Marincin, or Phaneuf may get a spot on the second line. We have some more D prospects with top 4 potential (Dermott, Valiev), but I can't say if they'll be ready in 3 years. The spot opposite Rielly is currently without an heir apparent, although Rielly can play RD if we pick up a good LD. Right now, the most likely scenario is it getting filled by our 2016 1st or Gardiner making a big leap this year.

If Bernier isn't our starting goalie, it will be a free agent. Reimer and our prospects won't be a starter in 3 years.

We were talking core players not potential 2nd liners and #4 dmen

Kadri and gardiner arent core players. I guess you could say jvr is but we'll see what he does this year without cookie monster

 

[Snow Dog]

I think Kadri scores tonight.He's good vs. the Sens.

 

[Snow Dog]

i must have jinxed him,oops.

 

[Nithoniniel]

He moves well in the offensive zone and transitions well, but once the puck is on his stick he's had some serious tunnel vision. Hopefully he just needs to get some points and a goal or so to get out of that.

 

[Wendelstache]

Getting outplayed by a Plug like Bozak...
was benched during 3on3...

That 1C is pretty much transparent, should use his teammates a bit more.

 

[Snow Dog]

He moves well in the offensive zone and transitions well, but once the puck is on his stick he's had some serious tunnel vision. Hopefully he just needs to get some points and a goal or so to get out of that.

He's got to watch his linemates.Tonight he took a couple of low percentage shots when there was a passing lane open for a better shot from another player.

 

[Snow Dog]

Greeting outplayed by a Plug like Bozak...
was benched during 3on3...

That 1C is pretty much transparent, should use his teammates a bit more.

I never realised he wasn't on for the 3 on 3 until you mentioned it.Not good.

 

[Nithoniniel]

He's got to watch his linemates.Tonight he took a couple of low percentage shots when there was a passing lane open for a better shot from another player.

Yeah, that was exactly what I meant. He's always had good vision, but right now he's not showing it.

 

[Snow Dog]

Yeah, that was exactly what I meant. He's always had good vision, but right now he's not showing it.

I hope he's not getting selfish again.

 

[Wendelstache]

I never realised he wasn't on for the 3 on 3 until you mentioned it.Not good.

Prolly because he was getting crushed on face offs...Babs did give him some ice when we had the 4-3.

But it looked like Babs was leaning on Bozie and Holland for 3on3.

 

[Ovate]

We were talking core players not potential 2nd liners and #4 dmen

Kadri and gardiner arent core players. I guess you could say jvr is but we'll see what he does this year without cookie monster

I guess it depends on how you define core then.

Kadri is as core as Kesler, Spezza, or Carter. Not necessarily as good as them, but as good relative to the team.

 

[Admiring Myself]

Islanders - Tavares and Nielson
Capitals - Backstrom and Kuznetzov
Senators - Turris and Zibanejad
Wild - Granlund and Koivu
Predators - Ribeiro and Fisher
Blues - Backes and Stastny/Lehtera

I'd take Kadri over any of those #2s and a couple of those #1s. He can absolutely be a #2 on a cup winning team.

id take tav/back/kuz over kadri. isles havent made it past the first round and the caps have ovi. senators and wild are bubble teams. predators and blues are western conference afterthoughts that get by playing defensive hockey so unless we plan on winning every game 2-1 idk why we'd set the hurdle that low.

 

[Optimist]

I think Kadri scores tonight.He's good vs. the Sens.

Well, you can be sure of one thing. If Kadri isn't gonna score while in the offensive zone, nobody will. He never ever passes the puck. He's all about himself.

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

Well, you can be sure of one thing. If Kadri isn't gonna score while in the offensive zone, nobody will. He never ever passes the puck. He's all about himself.

Yeah he never passes. Such a selfish player.