Proposal: JVR + Nylander for Ekblad

[Gentle Man]

I already answered that Matthews will be worth that so I'm not sure what else I can say.

Your answering WILL be worth that.

Are you admitting he isnt worth that now then?

 

[spacemanatee]

lol wrong thread

florida says no

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Florida definitely says a big fat NO.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Your answering WILL be worth that.

Are you admitting he isnt worth that now then?

Your hypothetical doesn't make any sense because you don't seem to comprehend how the market affects prices.

If Matthews was a free agent available to all teams, I would go way over 8/64 to get him. I'd go $10 AAV because the demand for his services would be insane.

If Matthews was Leafs property and demanded 8/64 or he'd go back to Switzerland, yeah I'd pay it.

Matthews worth changes on market principles like anything else so I find your hypothetical illogical. You seem to think this question if the holy grail of proving Ekblad is more valuable, it's adorable.

 

[Starat327]

I'd point to the can't miss trust in Matthews as a 1st OA prospect and Ekblad was in play and seen as a weak 1st OA pick going into the draft. Clearly Ekblad's stock has skyrocketed but let's be honest the burden of 1D proving him year in year out is more suspect than a 1C.

Pronger was traded twice, Weber and Subban traded, Phaneuf (who at Ekblad's point in his career was a Norris runner up)... there is an exception, PMDs are safe bets to have longevity but there was only one Chris Pronger and who knows how he'd be in today's speed game.

There are plenty of 1 OA that are touted as the next greatest thing that never make it. There are plenty of 1 OA that are considered weak who end up doing very well. I don't see how draft position or draft 'weakness' should dictate the value or upside of a player who has become pretty damn near elite at his position in two years.

Again, Matthews is a phenomenal prospect, and should do exceptionally well at the NHL Level. I'd be super excited if he was in the Flyers system as well. But pump the breaks a bit with the expectations. Let the kid play some NHL ice before we tout him as the 2nd best player in the league. Most aren't so naïve to believe that playing in the NHL automatically makes you more valuable than a prospect. But a player that is playing in the NHL at an exceptional level will most times have more value than one who isn't, and this is one of those cases. Especially when you consider that the Panthers have no reason to acquire another center (again, as good as Matthews should be), at the expense of their only 1D.

 

[tony d]

Yeah, Florida's not trading their best defenseman to a division rival.

 

[gwh]

Come on people, funny thread:

1. Lots of laughing

2. Lots of "hanging up and losing number"

3. Zero reasons for above

4. Zero comparison trade, attempts to fix the valuation or anything of value.

5. Neither team at page 6 doesn't even know the other party's needs.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Some of these replies... I did literally say 'obviously this deal won't happen' so more discussing value than making a proposal but I get that some people just log on here to get offended.

Nylander + JVR project to be a safe bet to combined for 60 goals a year, Nylander (although I personally prefer him on the wing) might just end up being a 1C. Also can't think of any 1D that has brought more return back in a trade.

I get that Florida doesn't make this deal but the counter of 'it's takes Matthews....' lol, Matthews looks to be the 1st elite C drafted 1st OA in Leafs history, his value eclipses Ekblad's. Defensemen like Ekblad play a game that can fall off at any point in his career, i.e. Tyler Myers, Shea Weber (to a lesser degree but his shine is wearing off), 1Cs though? Horses you be on all day.

To the leafs it does, not to the Panthers though.

Again overrating, until Nylander puts up 30 goals he is not a safe bet to do so, come on man.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Your hypothetical doesn't make any sense because you don't seem to comprehend how the market affects prices.

If Matthews was a free agent available to all teams, I would go way over 8/64 to get him. I'd go $10 AAV because the demand for his services would be insane.

If Matthews was Leafs property and demanded 8/64 or he'd go back to Switzerland, yeah I'd pay it.

Matthews worth changes on market principles like anything else so I find your hypothetical illogical. You seem to think this question if the holy grail of proving Ekblad is more valuable, it's adorable.

I think his point is that Ekblad has already proven at an NHL level that he can produce and already looks in the mold of a #1 Dman. Mathews once again has not played a game at the NHL level, there for he hasn't proven a damn thing. Other than being a very good prospect. Key word being prospect.

 

[Halla]

I think his point is that Ekblad has already proven at an NHL level that he can produce and already looks in the mold of a #1 Dman. Mathews once again has not played a game at the NHL level, there for he hasn't proven a damn thing. Other than being a very good prospect. Key word being prospect.

Matthews has also proven he can not only compete against the best in the world, but he is one of the best on a team littered with the young talent of the league.

oh but a few good games against Carolina, Buffalo and New Jersey will "prove" he is good. LOL

 

[Halla]

There are plenty of 1 OA that are touted as the next greatest thing that never make it. There are plenty of 1 OA that are considered weak who end up doing very well. I don't see how draft position or draft 'weakness' should dictate the value or upside of a player who has become pretty damn near elite at his position in two years.

Again, Matthews is a phenomenal prospect, and should do exceptionally well at the NHL Level. I'd be super excited if he was in the Flyers system as well. But pump the breaks a bit with the expectations. Let the kid play some NHL ice before we tout him as the 2nd best player in the league. Most aren't so naïve to believe that playing in the NHL automatically makes you more valuable than a prospect. But a player that is playing in the NHL at an exceptional level will most times have more value than one who isn't, and this is one of those cases. Especially when you consider that the Panthers have no reason to acquire another center (again, as good as Matthews should be), at the expense of their only 1D.

No one is saying Matthews is the 2nd best player. Does he have the 2nd most value? maybe. leafs trade him for mcdavid and mcdavid only at this point.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Matthews has also proven he can not only compete against the best in the world, but he is one of the best on a team littered with the young talent of the league.

oh but a few good games against Carolina, Buffalo and New Jersey will "prove" he is good. LOL

So proven means playing well with a team full of basically most of the best players under 24 in the world?

Proving you can play hockey at an NHL level day in and day out on a team that doesn't look like an allstar team yah that is proving your worth, can't understand why this is a difficult concept to grasp.....

 

[Starat327]

No one is saying Matthews is the 2nd best player. Does he have the 2nd most value? maybe. leafs trade him for mcdavid and mcdavid only at this point.

I'm sure Florida feels the same way about Ekblad.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

No one is saying Matthews is the 2nd best player. Does he have the 2nd most value? maybe. leafs trade him for mcdavid and mcdavid only at this point.

Your basically stating what every fan of every team would say about their best young player(s)

 

[Kardi]

Is 3 years of EK really worth more than Ekblad??

depends how many times Ekblad gets a concussion

 

[Torontonian]

Matthews for Ekblad.. 1 for 1 seems fair.. would it ever happen... very unlikely

 

[Man Bear Pig]

To get Ekblad its Matthews +

Which is crazy to me. #1 D vs #1 C. I don't care if Matthews isn't NHL proven, they have very similar value to me as a Leafs fan and quite frankly, I wouldn't even do it based on the fact that it fills one hole and leaves another. There's no guarantee that Nylander becomes a center and Marner is likely a winger. Outside of Matthews we don't have that no doubt about it young center.

 

[jacks*]

No one is saying Matthews is the 2nd best player. Does he have the 2nd most value? maybe. leafs trade him for mcdavid and mcdavid only at this point.

The Oilers wouldn't even return your call which is understandable.Like the rest of us the Oilers would probably still be laughing.

 

[LondonKendrick]

To the leafs it does, not to the Panthers though.

Again overrating, until Nylander puts up 30 goals he is not a safe bet to do so, come on man.

Nit pick, not in his rookie year but he has all the makings of being a 30 goal center in the making year in, year out.

 

[LondonKendrick]

There are plenty of 1 OA that are touted as the next greatest thing that never make it. There are plenty of 1 OA that are considered weak who end up doing very well. I don't see how draft position or draft 'weakness' should dictate the value or upside of a player who has become pretty damn near elite at his position in two years.

Again, Matthews is a phenomenal prospect, and should do exceptionally well at the NHL Level. I'd be super excited if he was in the Flyers system as well. But pump the breaks a bit with the expectations. Let the kid play some NHL ice before we tout him as the 2nd best player in the league. Most aren't so naïve to believe that playing in the NHL automatically makes you more valuable than a prospect. But a player that is playing in the NHL at an exceptional level will most times have more value than one who isn't, and this is one of those cases. Especially when you consider that the Panthers have no reason to acquire another center (again, as good as Matthews should be), at the expense of their only 1D.

Plenty? Other than Daige? RNH was called the head of a weak class... plenty? Come on now

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Which is crazy to me. #1 D vs #1 C. I don't care if Matthews isn't NHL proven, they have very similar value to me as a Leafs fan and quite frankly, I wouldn't even do it based on the fact that it fills one hole and leaves another. There's no guarantee that Nylander becomes a center and Marner is likely a winger. Outside of Matthews we don't have that no doubt about it young center.

Based on needs, I doubt the Panthers would even entertain Matthews (even with a slight +) for Ekblad. At center, they're stocked enough as is and, not knocking Matthews at all, it's a position of strength. A more realistic proposal would include one of Florida's more promising young centers and Toronto's young d-men. Although, realistically, I don't see either team pulling the trigger on that either.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Nit pick, not in his rookie year but he has all the makings of being a 30 goal center in the making year in, year out.

Potential is no guarantee, you claimed he was a safe bet, no he is not a safe bet, he is all potential at this point. Especially in a league where it is very hard to even score 30 goals. Not saying he won't either.

 

[sessiroth]

is NO ONE reading the op?

I for one remember that exact thread. Apparently Florida was willing to trade down from #1 but wasn't willing to drop down further then 8th.

The belief going into the draft was that gap between 1 to 8 wasn't a big one. Leaf fans wanted to package either kadri or phaneuf with the #7 pick to move up to #1.

Nonis did have conversations with Florida and what was leaked was Florida wanted JVR + #7 for #1. I remember EVERYONE in that thread calling nonis a moron for making that trade cause it was reported to be "in the works" saying florida fleeced toronto etc etc

Nonis pulls out, Florida takes Ekblad #1, Leafs take Nylander#7

When asked about it after the fact, Nonis said the price to move up was to high for him to pay. He said if the draft had a bonfire superstar as #1 like Mackinnon was he would be more inclined to make the trade. Nonis felt, as so did the majority of the scouts and teams that it wasn't a strong year when it comes to the #1 overall pick.

hindsight is 20/20. Ekblad has proven to be a stud and worth the #1 selection. The reason for this thread is to talk about the rumor/trade that didnt happen since the op states this trade wouldnt happen today.

Same thing happened in 09, Tampa had pick #2, Toronto had pick #7

Burke wanted to move up for a chance at Tavares etc. It was reported tampa wanted Kaberle + L. Schenn + 7th to move down from 2nd. At the time it was a huge over payment from the leafs cause L. Schenn coming off a great rookie season as a 18 year old and Kaberle being a puck moving beast.

Hindsight is 20/20 again cause Hedman is a BEAST! Then there was the breakdown with Boston about kessel, pick #7 and kaberle.

Back on topic. I loved Ekblad and still do. Florida did the right thing not settling to trade down and taking him #1

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

is NO ONE reading the op?

I for one remember that exact thread. Apparently Florida was willing to trade down from #1 but wasn't willing to drop down further then 8th.

The belief going into the draft was that gap between 1 to 8 wasn't a big one. Leaf fans wanted to package either kadri or phaneuf with the #7 pick to move up to #1.

Nonis did have conversations with Florida and what was leaked was Florida wanted JVR + #7 for #1. I remember EVERYONE in that thread calling nonis a moron for making that trade cause it was reported to be "in the works" saying florida fleeced toronto etc etc

Nonis pulls out, Florida takes Ekblad #1, Leafs take Nylander#7

When asked about it after the fact, Nonis said the price to move up was to high for him to pay. He said if the draft had a bonfire superstar as #1 like Mackinnon was he would be more inclined to make the trade. Nonis felt, as so did the majority of the scouts and teams that it wasn't a strong year when it comes to the #1 overall pick.

hindsight is 20/20. Ekblad has proven to be a stud and worth the #1 selection. The reason for this thread is to talk about the rumor/trade that didnt happen since the op states this trade wouldnt happen today.

Same thing happened in 09, Tampa had pick #2, Toronto had pick #7

Burke wanted to move up for a chance at Tavares etc. It was reported tampa wanted Kaberle + L. Schenn + 7th to move down from 2nd. At the time it was a huge over payment from the leafs cause L. Schenn coming off a great rookie season as a 18 year old and Kaberle being a puck moving beast.

Hindsight is 20/20 again cause Hedman is a BEAST! Then there was the breakdown with Boston about kessel, pick #7 and kaberle.

Back on topic. I loved Ekblad and still do. Florida did the right thing not settling to trade down and taking him #1

Great post.

 

[KingsCourt]

Lol.. Ek is a stud... You don't trade unless for another game changer