Proposal: JVR + Nylander for Ekblad

[EnforceTheLaus]

Fan.

It's not as if the entire Leaf fanbase collectively came together to make this trade proposal

Disagree I've your guys' forum. You can't hide what goes on in there.

 

[Starat327]

woof.

What a disaster that would have been.

If everything stayed the same, it's have been Vinny, Simmonds and morin. Simmonds tends to get undervalued as PP specialist around here while he is a solid top 30 RW even point specialist, and Morin, while not making an immediate impact, still projects to be a beast. Florida is better off not having made the trade, but I'm sure there were worse offers.

 

[Liferleafer]

Disagree I've your guys' forum. You can't hide what goes on in there.

The bigger question is why are you creeping around in our forum? Closet Leaf fan? Lol

 

[Pablo El Perro]

If everything stayed the same, it's have been Vinny, Simmonds and morin. Simmonds tends to get undervalued as PP specialist around here while he is a solid top 30 RW even point specialist, and Morin, while not making an immediate impact, still projects to be a beast. Florida is better off not having made the trade, but I'm sure there were worse offers.

From what I remember, including Simmonds was a deal breaker for Philadelphia.

 

[Warden of the North]

No way Florida does this. Ekblad is a top pairing D at age 20 and is only going to get better.

 

[JFHockey]

Ekblad walked into the League a top pairing D, has the best 18 y/o season as D since Orr and is currently a #1D at an age when nearly every other defenseman is still in juniors or minors.

if you offered me Matthews or Ekblad for my team. I'd take Ekblad then shove you down a flight of stairs before you could change your mind.

 

[StephenPeat]

Ekblad walked into the League a top pairing D, has the best 18 y/o season as D since Orr and is currently a #1D at an age when nearly every other defenseman is still in juniors or minors.

if you offered me Matthews or Ekblad for my team. I'd take Ekblad then shove you down a flight of stairs before you could change your mind.

Basically this. If Nylander reaches the absolute utmost highest ceiling he projects towards this is only an OKAY trade for Florida. If he doesn't reach that level (which is quite possible) the trade is horrible for Fla. The only reasonable argument against Ekblad as likely the best Dman under 25 is his injury history (concussions are always a concern, some players simply never return to form after a single concussion). 1D under 20 with plenty of room to grow and heights to reach are never traded.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Ekblad walked into the League a top pairing D, has the best 18 y/o season as D since Orr and is currently a #1D at an age when nearly every other defenseman is still in juniors or minors.

if you offered me Matthews or Ekblad for my team. I'd take Ekblad then shove you down a flight of stairs before you could change your mind.

Best post in this thread.

Ekblads not available.

 

[member 157595]

Disagree I've your guys' forum. You can't hide what goes on in there.

What a load of garbage.

The team forums are generally for fans of that specific team. Because we have more English-speaking fans than any other team, you're going to get a lot of varied opinions topped off with a healthy dose of homerism. Both aspects are louder coming from Toronto because there is more of everything.

If you're implying you or your fanbase is/are somehow superior to any other fanbase on this site you are fooling yourself to an incredible degree, but you're not fooling me or probably anyone else.

 

[Gentle Man]

If everything stayed the same, it's have been Vinny, Simmonds and morin. Simmonds tends to get undervalued as PP specialist around here while he is a solid top 30 RW even point specialist, and Morin, while not making an immediate impact, still projects to be a beast. Florida is better off not having made the trade, but I'm sure there were worse offers.

I love Simmonds' game. Dont know much about Morin.

But Lecavelier was on a steep decline to retirement. That's why it would have been a disaster.

 

[bigbabybuda]

Considering Vancouver offered 6, 24, and their previous first round selection and got turned down by the Panthers I doubt your speculation. The top of the draft had a drop off after Ekblad, the Sams, and Draisaitl so in hindsight maybe able to say you wouldn't move JVR + Nylander but not predraft. I wouldn't sleep on Reinhart either that kid is going to be a stud.

As I Leaf fan I would move JVR and Nylander for Reinhart today. Love Nylanders potential but JVR is the most over rated player currently on our roster by our own fans. If he is healthy come the deadline time to get him out of here. Reinhart is the most under rated young center AINEC. Kid is an a stud!

 

[ottawa]

It would take Mathews + Gardiner to get Ekblad

 

[Cleatus]

I can see where your coming from but no way the leafs don't trade a significant piece for Ekblad, if they have a chance. By the way the last concussion was considered mild, as someone who has had more than a few mild concussions due to football and rugby its really not that serious.

You never know with concussions, they affect everyone differently... I wouldn't be worried if this was his first one, and would easily support trading Nylander+JvR for him if that was the case.

I'm honestly curious to see how Ekblad will handle taking big hits over the next while. Not that he'd even be available if he can stay 100% healthy, but if he was, I would trade almost anything on the Leafs for him.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Really not a fan of miving Nylander - I think he's got much higher potential than many assume.

I'd rather the Leafs build from within than try quick fixes like this anyways. Even though Florida clearly says no to the deal

Quick fix?

Do you know what a quick fix is? Acquiring a potential franchise defenseman who's only 20 is the utter opposite of a quick fix.

 

[Kelly]

Quick fix?

Do you know what a quick fix is? Acquiring a potential franchise defenseman who's only 20 is the utter opposite of a quick fix.

You obviously don't. It's the opposite of drafting and developing your own talent.

Acquiring a 21 year old 36 goal scorer was termed as a quick fix at the time too.

 

[Garthinater]

As I Leaf fan I would move JVR and Nylander for Reinhart today. Love Nylanders potential but JVR is the most over rated player currently on our roster by our own fans. If he is healthy come the deadline time to get him out of here. Reinhart is the most under rated young center AINEC. Kid is an a stud!

I doubt very many leaf fans agree with your trade.

 

[carter333167]

Grade B+ parts for a Grade A+ player (and at the hardest position to find a grade A+ player)----can see why this is going so well.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Quick fix?

Do you know what a quick fix is? Acquiring a potential franchise defenseman who's only 20 is the utter opposite of a quick fix.

I think what that poster meant by quick fix, is the assets that would be required to get Ekblad would be too much for the leafs to give up at this point in their rebuild. It would look like a quick fix tactic.

 

[Starat327]

From what I remember, including Simmonds was a deal breaker for Philadelphia.

You are correct. I believe they tried to move it to B. Schenn, Vinny, and 1st, but florida said no.

 

[Whileee]

Basically this. If Nylander reaches the absolute utmost highest ceiling he projects towards this is only an OKAY trade for Florida. If he doesn't reach that level (which is quite possible) the trade is horrible for Fla. The only reasonable argument against Ekblad as likely the best Dman under 25 is his injury history (concussions are always a concern, some players simply never return to form after a single concussion). 1D under 20 with plenty of room to grow and heights to reach are never traded.

Didn't Nylander have a concussion in the World Juniors last year?

 

[LondonKendrick]

Daigle, E Johnson, Patrik Stefan, Roman Hamrlik, DiPietro - all were touted as game changers upon draft. So...5 in the last 23?

Johnson is still a decent player, and hes no where near 'bust' status, but he isn't they player he was touted as. Either way, you are side-stepping the entire point. Draft pick and class aren't relevant to players who are performing exceptionally well in the NHL.

Im sure the Flames are content to keep Bennett over PoolParty, and the same can be said with Edmonton being ok with keeping Drai over PLD.

Yawn, said 1C, try responding to the actual point, I clearly made the distinction between positions, even went out of my way to point out RNH was considered elite/can't miss in his weak draft year.... oh HF never change

 

[LondonKendrick]

I don't remember the first 8 picks ever being discussed as being on the same tier. Nylander was in the running for 1 OA the year before but the discussion for 1 OA was Ekblad or Reinhart. A few individuals suggested Bennett and then I don't remember him being in discussion for 1 OA after the combine. For some odd reason people soured on him because he only did one pull up or couldn't do one at all. I remember it was heavily favored for Ekblad to be taken first and Reinhart second. Draisaitl was highly regarded but was never on the same tier as the Sams/Ekblad because his footwork. Nylander was placed in that second tier also. I remember seeing rumors on TSn about VAN offering #6, #24, and their 1st round pick the previous year (Shinkaruk) but was turned down by the Panthers. So essentially three first round picks and better position 6OA vs 8OA which may help to get into the first two tiers. Also the Leafs selected 8OA not 7OA.

So making lulz in this post, Nylander was never projected in the top five, Bennett was ranked ahead of Draistail all year but Edmonton passed on Bennett because they had enough vanilla midgets in their top six.

The drop was after Dal Colle who everyone had penciled in at 5th overall. Ekblad then Reinhart were one and two across the league.

It was supposed to be Elhers/Nylander/Ritchie in any given order after that, Fleury was the best D in the draft but not projected top ten and Virtanen/Kapanen were x factors to move up. Kapanen was probably projected higher on draft lists because of his last name and fell in the draft.

 

[Maukkis]

Ekblad is as unavailable as they get. I wouldn't trade him for any two assets from any team, expect for Eichel and Ristolainen.

 

[Brock Radunske]

 

[bigbabybuda]

I doubt very many leaf fans agree with your trade.

I could care less about what most leaf fans would agree with. 75% of fan bases have absolutely no idea how to be objective when evaluating their own teams talent. There is an entire thread on this forum where over 80% of Leaf fans were trying to say that Kessel was better than Ovechkin 3 years ago. This assessment is not restricted to Leaf fans but you get a higher number on here because of the size of our fan base. % is similar Im sure

I like Nylander he is a great talent but Reinhart is a 2 way stud in the making and would fit our team perfect as a 2nd line center. Only players I wouldn't entertain moving for him on our roster are named Reilly and Matthews