Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

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Where would you prefer Slaf spend his 23-24 season?


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Trying him out with Caufield and Suzuki could flush out what he needs to work on. They’re good offensive players, and if he can’t work well with them, we’ll see why. They’re good at finding space, supporting, going to the middle of the ice … and how they time it all, which is key.

Defensively- tougher competition, perhaps. Again, it will flush out what he needs to work on. How’s his positioning, how’s he using his body, how does he react to switches or high rolls … those types of things.

They might find he has to work on A, B and C. … and maybe the best place to work on them is a mix of 1st line, 3rd line and AHL.
Regarding the bolded: the semi-breakaway he got was a direct result of greatly improved positioning in his own zone, reading a switch, blocking a shot and then moving forward with some confidence.

On the 2-on-1 play his shot might have been three inches below the open space, but he made the right decision to not force a pass through the defender and take a high percentage shot.
 
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Rocket? Howe? John Ferguson? Phil Esposito? Clark Gillies? Mark Messier? Shanahan? Kevin Stevens? Tocchet? Franzen? Lucic? Ovy? etc
Most of the guys you listed predate the power forward term though they would probably be counted retrospectively. My point is it became an obsession/craze in the 90s after Neely who won nothing. Tkachuk won nothing. Most of the guys except Ovy since then were passengers on their teams cup wins. None of the modern dynasties had one unless you're lowering the bar to andrew ladd or Dustin brown. Franzen was more of a Gallagher front net presence than a power forward. Pens and hawks won three without one. Tampa won two straight without one. It's not part of the recipe for success, just a luxury.
 
I would have started him in the AHL as well. Him and Roy on the same line would be good at long term.
Besides that Slaf appears to have a roster spot and is progressing nicely in the NHL, there is the additional consideration that if he is demoted, his cap hit will be $4,450,000 if/when he comes back up. That can have a huge negative effect on what moves the club can make for the rest of the year.
 
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Leo Carlsson is healthy scratched by the Ducks.

They want to ease him in the NHL.

He should not be better served playing top minutes in the SHL or the AHL dominating instead?

There are major upside with being eased and developed in the NHL.
This is using other teams potential failures to justify our own. Nobody should care what a Mickey Mouse franchise like Anaheim is doing with their prospect, we should be concerned with our own. That said, Slafkovsky has looked good so far. He earned his place on the roster in camp and deserves to be here so far. But it’s early.
 
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Agree , missing on a 1st overall for the new management would be a big oof.
Laval team have some good young players , they could make it far
To miss out on a 1OA can only be determined by comparing to the plausible alternatives, especially when the player selected was the pick of half the pro scouts polled, and neither of the other two players some scouts had first have done any better so far.

Furthermore, if the 1OA has an impact on his team, but someone drafted 68th happens to have a bigger one, I would not call that 'a big oof'.
 
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This is using other teams potential failures to justify our own. Nobody should care what a Mickey Mouse franchise like Anaheim is doing with their prospect, we should be concerned with our own. That said, Slafkovsky has looked good so far. He earned his place on the roster in camp and deserves to be here so far. But it’s early.

Agree with most of your post.

But how is Carlsson a failure?
 
Most of the guys you listed predate the power forward term though they would probably be counted retrospectively. My point is it became an obsession/craze in the 90s after Neely who won nothing. Tkachuk won nothing. Most of the guys except Ovy since then were passengers on their teams cup wins. None of the modern dynasties had one unless you're lowering the bar to andrew ladd or Dustin brown. Franzen was more of a Gallagher front net presence than a power forward. Pens and hawks won three without one. Tampa won two straight without one. It's not part of the recipe for success, just a luxury.
Landeskog & Rantanen, and for the record Dustin Brown led his team in playoff scoring (Tied with Kopitar) in 11-12 so it's strange to say he was a passenger. But seems like the reason not many teams have what you consider a PWF is because you have a very narrow view of who counts and who doesn't.
 
If Slaf had scored the goal Pearson scored, that would have been talked about here for a month by some..

Because scrub Pearson scored it though, it's meh.

If Slaf has 1 shot in the next 3 games and happens to score, it’s great but unsustainable. His shot totals this season are way insufficient for a Top-6 forward which he’s aspiring to be.
 
It could be the case that the organization entrusted the development of the highly problematic 1OA to a rookie coach who’s only coached peewee but that doesn’t make it a good decision.

How much did you trash Kotkaniemi? Don’t preach patience. It’s not about patience but rather being honest.
Well they trusted him enough to take over as coach of the franchise so clearly they see something you’re unaware of.

And yeah, I trashed KK. He was entitled and didn’t really show much room for improvement. But I guess Therrien and Ducharme could have been the reason for that.
 
Trying him out with Caufield and Suzuki could flush out what he needs to work on. They’re good offensive players, and if he can’t work well with them, we’ll see why. They’re good at finding space, supporting, going to the middle of the ice … and how they time it all, which is key.

Defensively- tougher competition, perhaps. Again, it will flush out what he needs to work on. How’s his positioning, how’s he using his body, how does he react to switches or high rolls … those types of things.

They might find he has to work on A, B and C. … and maybe the best place to work on them is a mix of 1st line, 3rd line and AHL.
Buddy needs to work on a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z.
 
serious question for all the people who think Slaf look great, at what point is it important to you that his play translate to points? Will you change your mind at 1-3 points in 20 games? 5 points in 40? Just wondering
Haven’t read too many “looks great” comments I can remember, but lots of “looks like improving lots” for sure which many value in regards to re: Ahl or Nhl

To throw numbers out there for fun I hope he gets a look at at least 10-15 goals and 30 pts as a pace just for his confidence. But I’m not telepathic.

Buddy needs to work on a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z.
True ;)
 
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Landeskog & Rantanen, and for the record Dustin Brown led his team in playoff scoring (Tied with Kopitar) in 11-12 so it's strange to say he was a passenger. But seems like the reason not many teams have what you consider a PWF is because you have a very narrow view of who counts and who doesn't.
I would consider Landeskog one but I wouldn't consider Rantanen one, nor would I consider the Avs a dynasty. Hitting and physicality is a big part of being a power forward, not just using your body to protect the puck, and that does not describe a lot of players people consider power forwards. Rantanen doesn't even average a hit per game. The Tkachuks, JT Miller, or Ovy could be considered modern examples. Brown may have led the team in scoring but Quick had the actual best goalie performance in playoff history (even edging out Giguere). They did not win because of scoring and are one of the only examples of a cup winner in recent times who's top player only scored 20 points. There are many examples of players scoring more than that who went out first/second round and ties them for the 55th best performance of the past 11 years.

Anyways, my point is power forwards are not crucial at all. Nor is there an example other than Ovechkin of one driving their team to a cup win. Even Messier's Smythe was voter fatigue for Gretzky who was 9 points up on him. Power forwards are a finishing touch on an already good team. They are not players that carry franchises outside of absolutely generational top 10-15 all-time players.
 
Well they trusted him enough to take over as coach of the franchise so clearly they see something you’re unaware of.

And yeah, I trashed KK. He was entitled and didn’t really show much room for improvement. But I guess Therrien and Ducharme could have been the reason for that.

Mark my words,

They are going to make Slaf entitled by just promoting STRAIGHT-TO-NHL, no questions asked.

I get it... 1st OA....but neither his pedigree nor does his actual play warrant him jumping straight to the NHL, period.

Having him in the AHL for 1, maybe 2 years would have been ideal for his long term development, especially considering he doesn't really know himself as a player yet, IMO.
 
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This is using other teams potential failures to justify our own. Nobody should care what a Mickey Mouse franchise like Anaheim is doing with their prospect, we should be concerned with our own. That said, Slafkovsky has looked good so far. He earned his place on the roster in camp and deserves to be here so far. But it’s early.
Both Carlsson and Fantilli arent having it easy right now in their NHL debuts and both are older than Slaf was last year. It only shows how tough of a league NHL is for kids in their D+1.
 
This is using other teams potential failures to justify our own. Nobody should care what a Mickey Mouse franchise like Anaheim is doing with their prospect, we should be concerned with our own. That said, Slafkovsky has looked good so far. He earned his place on the roster in camp and deserves to be here so far. But it’s early.
We're the Mickey mouse franchise. The fact that we have a big league budget makes it all the more embarrassing

I mean what else can you call it when fans have major influence on the decisions made.
 
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Mark my words,

They are going to make Slaf entitled by just promoting STRAIGHT-TO-NHL, no questions asked.

I get it... 1st OA....but neither his pedigree nor does his actual play warrant him jumping straight to the NHL, period.

Having him in the AHL for 1, maybe 2 years would have been ideal for his long term development, especially considering he doesn't really know himself as a player yet, IMO.
I don’t buy it. Kid has lived alone in another country since the age of 15. KK was the son of a coach and coddled his whole career. They aren’t anything alike.
 
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Most of the guys you listed predate the power forward term though they would probably be counted retrospectively. My point is it became an obsession/craze in the 90s after Neely who won nothing. Tkachuk won nothing. Most of the guys except Ovy since then were passengers on their teams cup wins. None of the modern dynasties had one unless you're lowering the bar to andrew ladd or Dustin brown. Franzen was more of a Gallagher front net presence than a power forward. Pens and hawks won three without one. Tampa won two straight without one. It's not part of the recipe for success, just a luxury.
Kevin Stevens? Tocchet? Lucic? Dustin Brown?

My point being the reason there are so few PWF, wove won Cups is because power fwds are a rare breed to begin with
 
I would consider Landeskog one but I wouldn't consider Rantanen one, nor would I consider the Avs a dynasty. Hitting and physicality is a big part of being a power forward, not just using your body to protect the puck, and that does not describe a lot of players people consider power forwards. Rantanen doesn't even average a hit per game. The Tkachuks, JT Miller, or Ovy could be considered modern examples. Brown may have led the team in scoring but Quick had the actual best goalie performance in playoff history (even edging out Giguere). They did not win because of scoring and are one of the only examples of a cup winner in recent times who's top player only scored 20 points. There are many examples of players scoring more than that who went out first/second round and ties them for the 55th best performance of the past 11 years.

Anyways, my point is power forwards are not crucial at all. Nor is there an example other than Ovechkin of one driving their team to a cup win. Even Messier's Smythe was voter fatigue for Gretzky who was 9 points up on him. Power forwards are a finishing touch on an already good team. They are not players that carry franchises outside of absolutely generational top 10-15 all-time players.
Your changing the goal posts with Brown. First it was PWFs on cup winning teams, then important important roles, and now they have to be the Conn Smythe winner otherwise they don't count and are just after thoughts. It's absurd. The reason power forwards aren't crucial to cup winners is because your definition of power forwards and apparently the word crucial seem to be highly skewed.

And since this is the Slafkovsky thread it's worth noting that he's actually far more likely to be a Rantanen type powerforward then one who is a hitting machine. So your whole argument is kind of pointless to begin with.
 
Slaf was drafted to be a power forward and he plays like he believes he’s a skilled forward like Hughes.
Like Pacioretty, Slaf was drafted to be a skill based big body forward, not a brut strength power fwd like Tkachuk.

Again like Pacioretty, that brut strength / piss & vinegar game was never in his DNA & never will be
 
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