Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[le_sean]

Posters mention that he obviously looks better, then the naysayers come in and say that the advanced stats don’t match.

He has multiple good games by advanced metrics, then the naysayers come in and say “nah, he needs to put up points”

He leads the team in points last night and now it’s “but he made a mistake”

You just can’t win. It’s an obvious agenda. They want him to fail so they can again regurgitate that they were right about the pick being bad or right about Habs development being bad.

“We just want what’s right for him”. No you don’t, you just want to win a meaningless online argument.

 

[Miller Time]

Posters mention that he obviously looks better, then the naysayers come in and say that the advanced stats don’t match.

He has multiple good games by advanced metrics, then the naysayers come in and say “nah, he needs to put up points”

He leads the team in points last night and now it’s “but he made a mistake”

You just can’t win. It’s an obvious agenda. They want him to fail so they can again regurgitate that they were right about the pick being bad or right about Habs development being bad.

“We just want what’s right for him”. No you don’t, you just want to win a meaningless online argument.

 

[ReHabs]

Posters mention that he obviously looks better, then the naysayers come in and say that the advanced stats don’t match.

He does look better. How much better -- care to say? Is he as good as Kotkaniemi was in his rookie season?

He has multiple good games by advanced metrics, then the naysayers come in and say “nah, he needs to put up points”

He has to put up points, that's not negotiable. A 1OA winger has to put up points. Maybe not today or tomorrow but he has to make plays and produce and it should happen as soon as possible. He's not a 5th rounder long-shot feel-good story. He's played for his NT and hockey historians are watching him closely, he's on their radar.

He leads the team in points last night and now it’s “but he made a mistake”

That's one game, the topic is his overall trendline. He's still making terrrrrrrible plays. The question is these plays are one-offs like every player makes or he's still not an NHL-quality top6 player. I think it's the latter, do you think he's an NHL quality top6 player?

You just can’t win. It’s an obvious agenda. They want him to fail so they can again regurgitate that they were right about the pick being bad or right about Habs development being bad.

“We just want what’s right for him”. No you don’t, you just want to win a meaningless online argument.

Is Habs player development good - Yes or no?

 

[417]

Posters mention that he obviously looks better, then the naysayers come in and say that the advanced stats don’t match.

He has multiple good games by advanced metrics, then the naysayers come in and say “nah, he needs to put up points”

He leads the team in points last night and now it’s “but he made a mistake”

You just can’t win. It’s an obvious agenda. They want him to fail so they can again regurgitate that they were right about the pick being bad or right about Habs development being bad.

“We just want what’s right for him”. No you don’t, you just want to win a meaningless online argument.

The fact he got 2pts bothered some folks last night, it was so obvious from their posts.

Wild stuff…even the idea that there would be naysayers for a teams 1st overall pick from just over a year ago is incredibly sad if you ask me.

 

[ReHabs]

He's improving at the NHL level.

Has he improved sufficiently?

So many commentators still see the same mistakes, the same bad plays, the same misreads. So many neutral commentators across the hockey world are puzzled about this whole situation. It's not as simple as saying just claiming that he's improved. We heard "he's improving" every game last season even though today many take it for granted that last season was a big mistake.

 

[Mrb1p]

Has he improved sufficiently?

So many commentators still see the same mistakes, the same bad plays, the same misreads. So many neutral commentators across the hockey world are puzzled about this whole situation. It's not as simple as saying just claiming that he's improved. We heard "he's improving" every game last season even though today many take it for granted that last season was a big mistake.

He has improved a lot. Especially when compared to the few first games.

To me his offensive game is still not where I would want for a guy that should be a first liner in his prime but it is what it is and we have to hope he develops those in the NHL.

 

[Andy]

The fact he got 2pts bothered some folks last night, it was so obvious from their posts.

Wild stuff…even the idea that there would be naysayers for a teams 1st overall pick from just over a year ago is incredibly sad if you ask me.

There was a group of posters in the GDT that tried to downplay his goal by saying it was type journeymen players score. It’s gotten to be absurd

 

[417]

He has improved a lot. Especially when compared to the few first games.

To me his offensive game is still not where I would want for a guy that should be a first liner in his prime but it is what it is and we have to hope he develops those in the NHL.

Can we at least get to a place where we acknowledge that he's not required to improve at a pace that you or I think he needs to and rather, he needs to
Improve at a pace that he and the coaching staff want?

You don't judge the development progress of a player based on your own clock of where you *think* he should be.

 

[tazsub3]

Can we at least get to a place where we acknowledge that he's not required to improve at a pace that you or I think he needs to and rather, he needs to
Improve at a pace that he and the coaching staff want?

You don't judge the development progress of a player based on your own clock of where you *think* he should be.

Oh well if this is a journeyman goal , then I can name you a ton of players that got in the hall of fame by being such journeyman

 

[Mrb1p]

Can we at least get to a place where we acknowledge that he's not required to improve at a pace that you or I think he needs to and rather, he needs to
Improve at a pace that he and the coaching staff want?

You don't judge the development progress of a player based on your own clock of where you *think* he should be.

I don't really care about whatever "the pace" means. I just care about the end goal.

I also do not give two shits about the coaching staff, lmao. Have you tuned in to a game lately ? Its a clown show. Ill trust a coaching staff when it has actual results, until then, Ill stay hating on them.

(Friendly reminder that everyone here bought in the Bergeplan in 2012. We were all in love with him.)

 

[Adam Michaels]

Has he improved sufficiently?

So many commentators still see the same mistakes, the same bad plays, the same misreads. So many neutral commentators across the hockey world are puzzled about this whole situation. It's not as simple as saying just claiming that he's improved. We heard "he's improving" every game last season even though today many take it for granted that last season was a big mistake.

That is a gross exaggeration.

 

[417]

I don't really care about whatever "the pace" means. I just care about the end goal.

Ditto

I also do not give two shits about the coaching staff, lmao. Have you tuned in to a game lately ? Its a clown show. Ill trust a coaching staff when it has actual results, until then, Ill stay hating on them.

Do you trust the coaching staff in Laval?

Mind you, your trust is irrelevant here as is mine. Whether I trust them or not, they're in charge of his development and its up to them and the player to track the progress of his development.

That was my point, it had nothing to do with whether or not trust them.

(Friendly reminder that everyone here bought in the Bergeplan in 2012. We were all in love with him.)

This really has nothing to do with anything…who cares if I like Hughes/Gorton/MSL, I'm not looking to add them as Facebook friends.

 

[Goldenhands]

He does look better. How much better -- care to say? Is he as good as Kotkaniemi was in his rookie season?

He has to put up points, that's not negotiable. A 1OA winger has to put up points. Maybe not today or tomorrow but he has to make plays and produce and it should happen as soon as possible. He's not a 5th rounder long-shot feel-good story. He's played for his NT and hockey historians are watching him closely, he's on their radar.

That's one game, the topic is his overall trendline. He's still making terrrrrrrible plays. The question is these plays are one-offs like every player makes or he's still not an NHL-quality top6 player. I think it's the latter, do you think he's an NHL quality top6 player?

Is Habs player development good - Yes or no?

A guy slowly but surely starting to lose it. Its only the begining sir, the fall will be brutal.

 

[Mrb1p]

Ditto

Do you trust the coaching staff in Laval?

Mind you, your trust is irrelevant here as is mine. Whether I trust them or not, they're in charge of his development and its up to them and the player to track the progress of his development.

That was my point, it had nothing to do with whether or not trust them.

This really has nothing to do with anything…who cares if I like Hughes/Gorton/MSL, I'm not looking to add them as Facebook friends.

No I don't.

Slaf is his own man, he gets to play more, practice more, use skills more in the AHL. I don't GAF about St-Louis or JFH. Any of the management really, they suck until proven otherwise.

 

[417]

No I don't.

Slaf is his own man, he gets to play more, practice more, use skills more in the AHL. I don't GAF about St-Louis or JFH. Any of the management really, they suck until proven otherwise.

Debatable.

But fair enough.

 

[Mrb1p]

Debatable.

But fair enough.

Whats debatable ? Juraj plays 14 mintues on average. He shoots the puck about 3 times a game towards the net and he gets less practice days (More travel + more games.)

Literally nothing is debatable about this. To compare, Roy shot ON NET 53 times, he plays on the top line and while they don't track this, you'd have to expect he plays 15-20 minutes, which is more than Slaf and he practices more often since he's not on a NHL schedule.

You can debate who gets more development if you want, you can debate the "value" of this because I guess the NHL has the mystical aura. But no, what I said isn't debatable.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

Posters mention that he obviously looks better, then the naysayers come in and say that the advanced stats don’t match.

He has multiple good games by advanced metrics, then the naysayers come in and say “nah, he needs to put up points”

He leads the team in points last night and now it’s “but he made a mistake”

You just can’t win. It’s an obvious agenda. They want him to fail so they can again regurgitate that they were right about the pick being bad or right about Habs development being bad.

“We just want what’s right for him”. No you don’t, you just want to win a meaningless online argument.

Our fanbase is garbage sometimes, for real.

The ego makes people miserable.

 

[417]

Whats debatable ? Juraj plays 14 mintues on average. He shoots the puck about 3 times a game towards the net and he gets less practice days (More travel + more games.)

Who says he would play more? You know this for sure?

Maybe he would shoot more in the AHL, but that doesn't really translate to the NHL.

As far as practice time…i don’t know what the AHL practice schedule is like for Laval.

But I have a difficult time believing that practice time is more valuable than NHL practice time.

But I'm biased towards the NHL, I know there are a lot of AHL fans here.

Literally nothing is debatable about this. To compare, Roy shot ON NET 53 times, he plays on the top line and while they don't track this, you'd have to expect he plays 15-20 minutes, which is more than Slaf and he practices more often since he's not on a NHL schedule.

Cap.

Just did.

It's cool that Joshua Roy shot on net 53 times, i’m really excited about his progress.

But it is not an indicator for the NHL.

You can debate who gets more development if you want, you can debate the "value" of this because I guess the NHL has the mystical aura. But no, what I said isn't debatable.

This is a NHL forum right? Did I stumble into the wrong page again?!?!

But he's what you said was/is debatable…i am more than capable of debating it, see above.

 

[ReHabs]

That is a gross exaggeration.

Let's revisit this in five games, be sure to tag me if he continues his upward trend. I'd be happy to eat a mini McCrow.

A guy slowly but surely starting to lose it. Its only the begining sir, the fall will be brutal.

If the Habs lose more seasons and have nothing to show for it, I'll really lose it.

If Slafkovsky becomes an impact player in the NHL I'd be ecstatic -- for two reasons: 1) we'd have an impact player and 2) because my big fear that Kent Hughes is a reanimated ostrich egg would be relieved and resolved. Until then keep the potshots to yourself.

 

[HabzSauce]

Has he improved sufficiently?

So many commentators still see the same mistakes, the same bad plays, the same misreads. So many neutral commentators across the hockey world are puzzled about this whole situation. It's not as simple as saying just claiming that he's improved. We heard "he's improving" every game last season even though today many take it for granted that last season was a big mistake.

Maybe not by our standards no lol. I say for Slaf, the improvements he's made is sufficient for now. I'm willing to remain patient for at least the rest of this season. Probably next season too lol.

He's a 1OA pick and he's moving at a snails pace. it's frustrating to watch him sometimes like you said - there are still lots of holes in his game he needs to fix.

Concern is justified and his flaws should not be ignored. However to me he still looks so raw. There's no way any of us actually believe we've already seen his ceiling right? That alone should give us confidence that he has alot more to show. Some guys just take time.

 

[Mrb1p]

Who says he would play more? You know this for sure?

Maybe he would shoot more in the AHL, but that doesn't really translate to the NHL.

As far as practice time…i don’t know what the AHL practice schedule is like for Laval.

But I have a difficult time believing that practice time is more valuable than NHL practice time.

But I'm biased towards the NHL, I know there are a lot of AHL fans here.

Cap.

Just did.

It's cool that Joshua Roy shot on net 53 times, i’m really excited about his progress.

But it is not an indicator for the NHL.

This is a NHL forum right? Did I stumble into the wrong page again?!?!

What, you think he'd be used on the PP2, the third line and would be benched every game in the third period in the AHL too ? Get serious, he'd be used as a top forward like all Farrell and Roy.

Practice is practice and it's the same no matter if its in Nepal or a the bell center, your neurons don't know if it's Martin Saint-Louis teaching you or Narahari Nagarkoti teaching you, if the teachings are good, you're going to get better.

 

[417]

What, you think he'd be used on the PP2, the third line and would be benched every game in the third period in the AHL too ? Get serious, he'd be used as a top forward like all Farrell and Roy.

I've seen weirder things.

Either way, I'm more invested in him developing some chemistry with guys like Suzuki or Monhan or Caufield.

Not Stephens or Condotta

Practice is practice and it's the same no matter if its in Nepal or a the bell center, your neurons don't know if it's Martin Saint-Louis teaching you or Narahari Nagarkoti teaching you, if the teachings are good, you're going to get better.

Hmmm…should I point out the obvious? Or just call it a day? Lol

 

[Kennerback]

You're really running with this Chad Kilger and huh?

It can even be seen as some sort of compliment for Slaf. I see Slaf as a legit NHLer, at least as much Kilger was.

And offensively he’s shown no more than Kilger. Kilger had the hardest shot in the NHL. And Slaf’s 2 goals is wretched this late in the season. Same goes for Cooley, who’s on the bubble between the 3rd and 4th line in goal production for the Coyotes.

 

[Heffyhoof]

What, you think he'd be used on the PP2, the third line and would be benched every game in the third period in the AHL too ? Get serious, he'd be used as a top forward like all Farrell and Roy.

Practice is practice and it's the same no matter if its in Nepal or a the bell center, your neurons don't know if it's Martin Saint-Louis teaching you or Narahari Nagarkoti teaching you, if the teachings are good, you're going to get better.

Does Nagarkoti use a shooter tutor?

 

[Mrb1p]

I've seen weirder things.

Either way, I'm more invested in him developing some chemistry with guys like Suzuki or Monhan or Caufield.

Not Stephens or Condotta

Hmmm…should I point out the obvious? Or just call it a day? Lol

He would be developping chemistry with Roy, Farrell, Mailloux, Trudeau and Struble, all of which he is likely to play with in the future. Again, that's a non-issue.

The obvious is I don't think St-Louis is any better of a coach than JFH and I'm also pretty sure that Adam Nicholas can take the REM between Laval and Brossard.

Does Nagarkoti use a shooter tutor?

No, he has the players shoot at the weird colorful flags they have all over nepal.