Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[waitin425]

I don’t have any insight into how the Coyotes develop players but it seems they’re much better than the Habs (Keller is one of my favourite players.)

My point is simple: if Slaf was in the exact same position as Cooley, we’d all be happy. So trashing Cooley or Phoenix is a dumb and insecure thing to do.

"Dumb and insecure" then proceeds to trash Mtl and Slaf.

If you think we should model our franchise and player development after the Coyotes, or think they are doing it better than us.....well.....I just don't think I will argue with that. It's funny at best.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Cooley is a rookie and has more points than Slaf did all of last season, in less than half the games. He's scoring at a 57pt pace. Slaf scored at around a 20pt pace last season and c. 22pt pace this season. Cooley has lapped Slaf in terms of scoring.

If Slaf had 12pts in 17gp as a rookie, no matter HOW he got it, we'd all be yipping around like Yosemite Sam thinking we've struck oil.

As the season goes on it's likely Cooley will professionalize his game but reduce his production. The infamous wall that rookies from the NCAA sometimes hit. If he hits 45pts as a rookie, an undersized one, I think everybody will be rightfully satisfied.

So why is it you think he's not tearing it up?

Even strength production is similar. Slaf’s analytical numbers are better.

Cooley has the edge on overall production largely due to PP opportunities that Slaf doesn’t have.

Would you say Cooley’s by FAR the better player at this juncture? To the degree that we made a big mistake taking Slaf over Cooley?

 

[KevSkillz4]

Slaf have 15 points in 57 games so far in his career (not even a full complete season). I just want to said that easily 20-25 games he play on 3-4th line, so not really help his production aswell. So if people watch games and not only stats, Slaf play really good.

This team is in rebuild and he have great progression in all his areas of his game. Points will certainly comes.

Be patient guys, this player will be a two-way physical beast with great skillz. Dach and Slaf are both big skilled monster and they are going to be se good together when Dach will comeback! They have both unique package.

 

[ReHabs]

If you think we should model our franchise and player development after the Coyotes, or think they are doing it better than us.....well.....I just don't think I will argue with that. It's funny at best.

It’s funny you somehow think that’s what I said.

 

[Kennerback]

If Slaf scored at a 12% decent shot percentage, he’d have 3 goals in 18 games. Last night’s 1 goal on 1 shot is smoke and mirror. Someone needs to tell the boy he needs to shoot on net!!! Сontinual low-upside low-percentage passes will take him nowhere.

 

[ReHabs]

Even strength production is similar. Slaf’s analytical numbers are better.

Slaf is in his sophomore season. How do their rookie seasons pair up? Slaf had awful analytics as a rookie didn’t he?

Cooley has the edge on overall production largely due to PP opportunities that Slaf doesn’t have.

We all think Slaf should be fed PP TOI

Would you say Cooley’s by FAR the better player at this juncture? To the degree that we made a big mistake taking Slaf over Cooley?

Nah. That’s TBD. Maybe by end of season we’ll know more.

 

[Mrb1p]

Two points? HE HAS ARRIVED.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Slaf have 15 points in 57 games so far in his career (not even a full complete season). I just want to said that easily 20-25 games he play on 3-4th line, so not really help his production aswell. So if people watch games and not only stats, Slaf play really good.

This team is in rebuild and he have great progression in all his areas of his game. Points will certainly comes.

Be patient guys, this player will be a two-way physical beast with great skillz. Dach and Slaf are both big skilled monster and they are going to be se good together when Dach will comeback! They have both unique package.

By game 24 of last year he was productive in limited minutes. Then we went into a slump where only CC could score and everything crashed. Then of course he got hurt.

This year things looked great in preseason and then Dach went down. We wasted him for ten games with scrubs. So it hasn’t been ideal.

But he’s looked pretty good since being moved up. I just hope they give him more opportunities going forward.

 

[26Mats]

Two points? HE HAS ARRIVED.

We need a big body to play with Nick and Cole, as whe saw yesterday with Newhook not being a fit.

Anderson isn't a fit. So yes, Slaf has arrived as the fit to play with Nick!

 

[sandviper]

I find he’s been playing extremely well. Im surprised he hasnt started to dispel some concerns

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We need a big body to play with Nick and Cole, as whe saw yesterday with Newhook not being a fit.

Anderson isn't a fit. So yes, Slaf has arrived as the fit to play with Nick!

He SHOULD play there but…

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Slaf is in his sophomore season. How do their rookie seasons pair up? Slaf had awful analytics as a rookie didn’t he?


We all think Slaf should be fed PP TOI


Nah. That’s TBD. Maybe by end of season we’ll know more.

I mean he has 40 games on him.

What if Cooley started his rookie season at the same age? You’d have to think Cooley would look far worse in his rookie season had it started without a full year of development behind him, no?

The point is that they’re roughly at the same level now when you account for all the variables.

 

[Kennerback]

Reality is Cooley, Slaf and Wright look like a circus sideshow compared to what the top 2023 forwards are already doing this season.

 

[ReHabs]

The thing is, if the coaches continue to refuse to give him PP TOI (or give him garbage TOI), and he continues to not produce. What are they really trying to accomplish?

Slaf is meant to have a ton of tools. Keep them sharp.

 

[ReHabs]

I mean he has 40 games on him.

What if Cooley started his rookie season at the same age? You’d have to think Cooley would look far worse in his rookie season had it started without a full year of development behind him, no?

The point is that they’re roughly at the same level now when you account for all the variables.

I didn’t want Slaf in the NHL last year or this year. I don’t think Cooley is physically mature. Slaf also, despite his size, is physically immature I find.

I think them being roughly at the same level is contentious — from what little it is I know, I feel it’s far likelier the one player develops more strength and balance than the other develops a high-level playmaking game. But that’s neither here nor there.

So what is it you think— do you disagree that if Slaf had the exact stats and analytics as Cooley does, we wouldn’t be satisfied?

 

[morhilane]

Slaf is in his sophomore season. How do their rookie seasons pair up? Slaf had awful analytics as a rookie didn’t he?

Advanced stat wise (taken from this Player Usage Chart - Frozen Tools):
- Cooley is currently a struggling sheltered bottom six forward
- Slaf was an average bottom six forward last year
- Slaf is currently an average top six two-way forward

 

[ReHabs]

Advanced stat wise (taken from this Player Usage Chart - Frozen Tools):
- Cooley is currently a struggling sheltered bottom six forward
- Slaf was an average bottom six forward last year
- Slaf is currently an average top six two-way forward

Bottom6 forwards don’t produce at a 57pt pace. What is this

 

[Andy]

In the month of November so far
Cooley: 2 goals, 6 points, 2 points at ES
Slaf: 2 goals, 4 points, 3 points at ES

everyone just needs to chill.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I think the people that wanted Cooley would be satisfied. The ones who didn’t would likely nitpick.

I don’t think you can say ‘I don’t care how he got the points’ and disregard usage. That doesn’t really sound objective to me anyways.

It just doesn’t appear at the moment that Cooley’s leaps and bounds better at this point. Certainly not to the degree where we made this huge error.

This ‘whole season’ that Slaf has on Cooley was allegedly one that didn’t do him any good from what I’ve heard.

He was in the wrong league and Cooley was in the right league, right? So I’m not too sure that this season can be used as a handicap when said season was bad for his development

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Above comment was a reply to @ReHabs. Don’t know why that didn’t go through

 

[morhilane]

Bottom6 forwards don’t produce at a 57pt pace. What is this

Bottom6 forwards usually don't get PP1 minutes.
Cooley is 10th in TOI at 5v5 on his team, but 4th on PP TOI among the Coyotes.
9 of his 12 points are from the power play.

 

[ReHabs]

I think the people that wanted Cooley would be satisfied. The ones who didn’t would likely nitpick.

I don’t think you can say ‘I don’t care how he got the points’ and disregard usage. That doesn’t really sound objective to me anyways.

I didn't bring up Cooley right now but it's plain to me that if the shoe was on the other foot we'd all be bragging, bleating, and yipping about our horse lapping their 1OA. A rookie who's half the size of the sophomore has more than double his points. We'd be ecstatic and have high hopes and optimism for more sustainable success to come. Do you disagree with that?

It just doesn’t appear at the moment that Cooley’s leaps and bounds better at this point. Certainly not to the degree where we made this huge error.

This ‘whole season’ that Slaf has on Cooley was allegedly one that didn’t do him any good from what I’ve heard.

He was in the wrong league and Cooley was in the right league, right? So I’m not too sure that this season can be used as a handicap when said season was bad for his development

Not sure about this argument. Not at all. Pick some metrics and compare the players. This coy game with false-handicaps and whatnot is not easy to follow. Slafkovsky has had a year of NHL coaching and conditioning on Cooley, right? Do you think Slaf, the sophomore, should be producing more than Cooley, the rookie? Yes or no?

Bottom6 forwards usually don't get PP1 minutes.
Cooley is 10th in TOI at 5v5 on his team, but 4th on PP TOI among the Coyotes.
9 of his 12 points are from the power play.

Coyotes seem to be doing a good job bleeding a skill rookie into their roster. Remember when Habs fans wanted Galchenyuk to get PP time, some even wanted Eller to get PP time, just so they can flex their skill and playmaking. I guess that's lost on us today.

 

[waffledave]

Two points? HE HAS ARRIVED.

Two points but he took a dumb penalty that resulted in a goal and another time gave up on the play which led to a 2 on 1 and a goal. I still think he isn't close to ready.

 

[morhilane]

Coyotes seem to be doing a good job bleeding a skill rookie into their roster. Remember when Habs fans wanted Galchenyuk to get PP time, some even wanted Eller to get PP time, just so they can flex their skill and playmaking. I guess that's lost on us today.

So far, producing on the power play doesn't seems to have helped Cooley at 5v5 and the Habs have always preferred competent 2-way players over PP specialists.

 

[ReHabs]

Habs have always preferred competent 2-way players over PP specialists.

A rookie skill player being given PP time does not mean they'll turn out to be MA Bergeron. Strange framing! So I guess you don't want Slafkovsky to get PP time? What about when Roy is called up, should he also not get PP time until he plays a two-way game?