Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[Kennerback]

Any body else cringe when some body uses "on pace" In an argument to discredit a raw 19 yearolds play. When the entire organization isn't even focusing on it?

I don’t cringe. It serves as a good wake up call for the team. Why is he killing his offense by donating his own scoring opportunities to players in a worse position? Is Slaf really the Mother Teresa of hockey? Does his shot suck?

 

[NORiculous]

YET...
Rantanen first 50 games in the NHL don't look that much different than the other guy. (But somehow the sky is falling in Slaf case)
I guess I'll keep going after all!

That's the neat thing, I don't need to do any of that. Why? Because 1) I'm not comparing PLAYERS, I'm comparing first 50 games in the NHL. 2) The whole premise of starting in the AHL is the players will be older, more experienced and more likely to hit the ground running once they are the NHL.

After 50 games in the NHL Patch and Rantanen produced comparable results to a guy who played most of his games in the NHL as a 18 years old with Evans and Pezzetta. That's the reality. Patch/Rantanen first 50GP were not representative of what they would become, that's also the reality. It is unknown if Slaf first 50GP are representative of what he will become, time will tell.

I don’t think you are comparing players. You are comparing paper of players.

Rantanen looked good in his first 50 games. He made crazy (good) passes that a lot weren’t being converted (among other things).

He didn’t skate with his head down, like Slafkovsky has done.

He didn’t look out of place in a game too fast for him, like Slafkovsky has.

So you can look at the paper and say they are the same. But they are far from it.

Now. I was a HUGE Rantanen fan in those years. But no one thought he would bring it to this lvl.

I remember there were polls on this board (poll section) to classify all the players. I participated in the ones with Rantanen because he was relatively unknown to most but some of us had seen the potential and flashes.

Needless to say that Rantanen lost to Alex Steen that year. I mean Alex was a solid player but those of us who followed Rantanen knew it should not have been close.

All this to say that Slafkovsky has not shown anything close to what Rantanen was showing at the time.

That doesn’t mean Slafkovsky won’t be as good or better… but I don’t think it started in the right direction. I don’t think they are comparable at all so far.

 

[Jaynki]

Nobody mentioned Roy. You did. You keep saying path to great player and can’t bring up a reason why other then you like the guy. Your entire posts rely upon putting blind faith and gabbling that a player will end up like YOU think.

Blind faith? Nothing more than me liking the player? He fooled the entire hockey world, has no skill and was drafted 1st overall by mistake right?

What do i think he will end up?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Based on becoming one of the 1/1000 examples who succceed compared to the ones that fail with his level of talent as a teenager? He cashed in on those lame non best on best tournaments.

Not even Crosby, Lindros or McDavid played against the best NHL'ers at age 17 so I have no idea what you are worried about.

 

[HuGort]

Hayton is 23. Had 43 points last year. Tell me you don't take Tourigny's word when he has in mind Slaf and apply it to Hayton? Hayton needs waivers anyway.

Hayton was never that good. He's third liner max. I don't know what Phoenix was doing picking him that high. Passed on a lot of talent

 

[JuJu Mobb]

I'm gonna call him Waze from now on.

 

[Mrb1p]

Hayton was never that good. He's third liner max. I don't know what Phoenix was doing picking him that high. Passed on a lot of talent

The same thing they did this year by picking fkn Simashev and But in the top 12 lmao.

Joke franchise.

Simashev has 2 points combine in 25 games of play.

 

[HuGort]

The same thing they did this year by picking fkn Simashev and But in the top 12 lmao.

Joke franchise.

Simashev has 2 points combine in 25 games of play.

Hayton probably a Matt Stajan type. It was an odd pick.

Simashev I have no idea why they passed on Michkov or Leonard. Michkov you get a Kane/Kaprizov type. Leonard you get a Tocchet type. The next draft loaded with top peiring defensemen.

 

[Jaynki]

Simashev I have no idea why they passed on Michkov or Leonard.

It makes you wonder why they passed on Michkov for another Russian nonetheless.

 

[ReHabs]

Slafkovsky’s time to shine

 

[OnTheRun]

I don’t think you are comparing players. You are comparing paper of players.

Rantanen looked good in his first 50 games. He made crazy (good) passes that a lot weren’t being converted (among other things).

He didn’t skate with his head down, like Slafkovsky has done.

He didn’t look out of place in a game too fast for him, like Slafkovsky has.

So you can look at the paper and say they are the same. But they are far from it.

Now. I was a HUGE Rantanen fan in those years. But no one thought he would bring it to this lvl.

I remember there were polls on this board (poll section) to classify all the players. I participated in the ones with Rantanen because he was relatively unknown to most but some of us had seen the potential and flashes.

Needless to say that Rantanen lost to Alex Steen that year. I mean Alex was a solid player but those of us who followed Rantanen knew it should not have been close.

All this to say that Slafkovsky has not shown anything close to what Rantanen was showing at the time.

That doesn’t mean Slafkovsky won’t be as good or better… but I don’t think it started in the right direction. I don’t think they are comparable at all so far.

The quality of play of Player_A, Player_B or Player_C would only matter if the claim was "After 50GP Slaf is on track to become Player_C" or "After 50GP Slaf is on track to have a career similar to Player_B." Unfortunately no such claim were made.

The question was always whether or not what a player has accomplished in his first 50 NHL games will have a significant influence on his future... And the answer is no. 50GP is not a good threshold to plot a player trajectory.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

I really wish Slaf was in Laval.

He's struggling out there and isn't getting better.

As a 1OA he needs to be productive, and he just isn't. This is year two and he has zero offence to his game.

We rushed Kotkaniemi and now we're doing it with Slaf.

 

[Wats]

I really wish Slaf was in Laval.

He's struggling out there and isn't getting better.

As a 1OA he needs to be productive, and he just isn't. This is year two and he has zero offence to his game.

We rushed Kotkaniemi and now we're doing it with Slaf.

Even Bergevin sent Kotkaniemi to AHL even though he showed way more at the NHL level.

 

[Mrb1p]

Only time when he looks NHl quality is when he's on the PP

Send him down plz... play Ylonen instead.

 

[NORiculous]

The quality of play of Player_A, Player_B or Player_C would only matter if the claim was "After 50GP Slaf is on track to become Player_C" or "After 50GP Slaf is on track to have a career similar to Player_B." Unfortunately no such claim were made.

The question was always whether or not what a player has accomplished in his first 50 NHL games will have a significant influence on his future... And the answer is no. 50GP is not a good threshold to plot a player trajectory.

You have all the games before the NHL to which you add the 50 games.

It obviously doesn’t tell the full story of what is to come. As I said, Slafkovsky could end up as good or better than Rantanen. But the odds of that aren’t in his favour based on their track record and the eye test of those games.

Like I said, Rantanen was making really nice palys and passes but MacKinnon, amour others, wasn’t converting.

We could regularly see his vision in action, his skill at executing, etc. So you can’t compare that to what Slafkovsky has shown so far. Not close at all sorry.

So you were saying, in the post I quoted, they were the same (on paper) but what I am saying is they weren’t the same on the ice.

 

[OnTheRun]

You have all the games before the NHL to which you add the 50 games.

It obviously doesn’t tell the full story of what is to come. As I said, Slafkovsky could end up as good or better than Rantanen. But the odds of that aren’t in his favour based on their track record and the eye test of those games.

Like I said, Rantanen was making really nice palys and passes but MacKinnon, amour others, wasn’t converting.

We could regularly see his vision in action, his skill at executing, etc. So you can’t compare that to what Slafkovsky has shown so far. Not close at all sorry.

So you were saying, in the post I quoted, they were the same (on paper) but what I am saying is they weren’t the same on the ice.

There is no such thing said in the post you quoted, or any posts as a matter of fact.

They had produced comparable results at the same NHL milestone (First 50 games). Being the same on paper or on the ice are extra you added on your own. It's also not about what Player_T could have done if X or Y had happened during that stretch, it's about what they did and how much of an influence it had on the rest of their career.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I saw Suzuki/Caufield doing things tonight but once again any RWs can't play on that line

 

[Heffyhoof]

I saw Suzuki/Caufield doing things tonight but once again any RWs can't play on that line

Bah, Slaf is notably better than RHP or Anderson on that line. The worst part is, I'd still send Slaf down to the AHL, that's how bad our team sucks.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Bah, Slaf is notably better than RHP or Anderson on that line. The worst part is, I'd still send Slaf down to the AHL, that's how bad our team sucks.

id send those 3 if i could

 

[Heffyhoof]

id send those 3 if i could

Slaf would benefit from it at this point. 18+ minutes a night on a consistent basis would be great for him, regardless of if it's NHL or AHL competition. RHP is another Pitlick. As for Anderson, hopefully he's traded.

 

[ReHabs]

There is no such thing said in the post you quoted, or any posts as a matter of fact.

They had produced comparable results at the same NHL milestone (First 50 games). Being the same on paper or on the ice are extra you added on your own. It's also not about what Player_T could have done if X or Y had happened during that stretch, it's about what they did and how much of an influence it had on the rest of their career.

Playing a whole damn season in the AHL doesn’t come to mind as a relevant factor in your genius analysis?

 

[calder candidate]

He had a couple of good chances today made a few good plays, he just need to keep is feet moving and stop overthinking.

 

[OnTheRun]

Playing a whole damn season in the AHL doesn’t come to mind as a relevant factor in your genius analysis?

In a way it already show that "a whole damn season in the AHL" doesn't necessary translate in immediate/early success in the NHL.
For the rest you would need to establish that the "whole damn season in the AHL" is what made them the player they became, and it's not exactly straight forward.

 

[Kennedys]

And with the 4th OA pick, the Edmonton Oilers select Jesse Puljujarvi

Habs : Hold my beer

 

[ReHabs]

In a way it already show that "a whole damn season in the AHL" doesn't necessary translate in immediate/early success in the NHL.

Who’s asking for immediate success?

For the rest you would need to establish that the "whole damn season in the AHL" is what made them the player they became, and it's not exactly straight forward.

Yes that’s exactly the discussion we’re having and have been having for a long time.