Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[admiralcadillac]

He was not consensus number 1. Famously and notably for 2022 there was no consensus.

Nail Yakupov was number 1 in his year as well.


He’s demonstrating a very stinky attitude with his efforts the last two games.

Ok so he’s both not the consensus number 1, and even if he was it wouldn’t matter because he’s basically Nail Yakupov?

 

[NORiculous]

He's not shown a lack of effort. He's just not NHL ready, its as simple as that.


If you want to place blame though, you could look at the clowns that mentionned the whole Slaf living by himself at 15, charismatic and being able to hold it in this market. Its clear hes feeling the pressure of Montreal.

A lot of professional put the pressure on themselves. I’d guess he isn’t stupid ans he knows he isnt up to par right now.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Hasn’t Michkov been playing poorly lately in the KHL?

He has 18pts in 19 games. Had a 2 points night and scored his 9th yesterday in their last game.

 

[NORiculous]

Hasn’t Michkov been playing poorly lately in the KHL?

Based on? I haven’t seen his games but he is leading his team in pts with 5 less games played.

It doesn’t give the whole picture but it says that he can play in the offensive zone and doesn’t need anyone to help him make space or create plays. He is a driver. But everyone knew that already.

 

[ReHabs]

Hasn’t Michkov been playing poorly lately in the KHL?

Has he? I don’t hate-follow him. I see the occasional highlight, such as his recent goal posted today, and I’m happy for him. Not my prospect, not my problem. (Mod)

Ok so he’s both not the consensus number 1, and even if he was it wouldn’t matter because he’s basically Nail Yakupov?

Yes exactly. It’s a poor argument because he was not a consensus pick and even if he was, it is a meaningless qualifier because consensus picks can be world class busts all the same. It’s not worth mentioning that he was the top expected 1OA pick.

Yakupov had a much better prospect profile tbh and a much better D-1. Incomparable NHL careers so far.

 

[rahad]

What if the eye test is true, and Slaf really doesn't have much hockey sense and his skillset looked great playing against farmers, mechanics and drama teachers because of the lack of pro participation in the olympics? Is Kent really that afraid to send him to the AHL? Will the truth be revealed? Has my negativity worn off on everyone?

What do you do, if he does not perform in the AHL?

 

[admiralcadillac]

Has he? I don’t hate-follow him. I see the occasional highlight, such as his recent goal posted today, and I’m happy for him. Not my prospect, not my problem. Something the character assassinate crew need to understand.


Yes exactly. It’s a poor argument because he was not a consensus pick and even if he was, it is a meaningless qualifier because consensus picks can be world class busts all the same. It’s not worth mentioning that he was the top expected 1OA pick.

Yakupov had a much better prospect profile tbh and a much better D-1. Incomparable NHL careers so far.

If it’s a meaningless qualifier why would you care about whether he was labelled a consensus number one?

I think the question begs the answer.

 

[ReHabs]

If it’s a meaningless qualifier why would you care about whether he was labelled a consensus number one?

I think the question begs the answer.

Consensus has a meaning, not a very complicated one imo, which you can be easily found. Correcting the record is a way of avoiding fake narratives from taking hold.

There was no consensus first overall pick in 2022.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Its not about culture. Its just being a bad team, stop with the nonsense.

Being a bad team covers many aspects including culture. Assertion without argumentation, such a valuable input.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Consensus has a meaning, not a very complicated one imo, which you can be easily found. Correcting the record is a way of avoiding fake narratives from taking hold.

There was no consensus first overall pick in 2022.

It’s a fake narrative that doesn’t even matter according to your logic, because it’s a meaningless designation. You’ve stopped a meaningless designation from taking hold as a narrative.

Am I doing this correctly?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

What if the eye test is true, and Slaf really doesn't have much hockey sense and his skillset looked great playing against farmers, mechanics and drama teachers because of the lack of pro participation in the olympics? Is Kent really that afraid to send him to the AHL? Will the truth be revealed? Has my negativity worn off on everyone?

Do you know how many times I heard it about Carey Price?

“Silver spoon! Overrated! Stupid pick!”

Guy went into be a top player in the league and a HOFer.

Let’s save the eye test for when he’s 25.

 

[ReHabs]

It’s a fake narrative that doesn’t even matter according to your logic, because it’s a meaningless designation. You’ve stopped a meaningless designation from taking hold as a narrative.

Am I doing this correctly?

Well, yes.

Because there are two common incorrect assumptions that can impact the discourse and give excessive cover for the bozos running the Habs.

Slaf was consensus and consensus means we can’t criticize the bozos running the Habs

It’s worth pushing back against commentators who work super hard and super free to do PR for the current Habs GM.

Let’s save the eye test for when he’s 25.

Why not 35? Or 45?

Eye test saved for the career retrospective montage.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Even if he was the consensus 1st overall, that doesn't excuse the scouting department. Their job is not to follow the consensus: if it was, we wouldn't need them. They messed up by falling in love with what they wanted Slaf to be, which is something he isn't. He isn't a power forward, he isn't a beast in front of the net or in the corners, he's a playmaker who doesn't have the hockey IQ or processing speed to think the game quickly enough to make plays.

Maybe he can develop the reaction time or pattern recognition in the AHL, but right now he's trending to be somewhere between Bickell and Pouliot.

 

[Habs]

What do you do, if he does not perform in the AHL?

I think you use your Ace, and use it as a reason to fire some scouts

 

[RationalExpectations]

Do you know how many times I heard it about Carey Price?

“Silver spoon! Overrated! Stupid pick!”

Guy went into be a top player in the league and a HOFer.

Let’s save the eye test for when he’s 25.

I agree that it is way too soon to know what he will be at his prime. However we can use the eye test to say he is not playing well right now, no shame in that.

He was drafted because scouts thought he looked good (i.e. eye test) despite his low production in Liiga, so why would the eye test stop being relevant after he gets drafted ?

 

[Habs]

Do you know how many times I heard it about Carey Price?

“Silver spoon! Overrated! Stupid pick!”

Guy went into be a top player in the league and a HOFer.

Let’s save the eye test for when he’s 25.

I mean, you can't hide talent though, and Pricer was oozing with it in Jr's. You see a ton of talent here? His game doesn't look suited, he doesn't go east-west, just north-south, and I know he's just a kid but you can't teach certain skillsets. I hope he pans out, but if he doesn't I also blame the team for keeping him up here.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Can't wait for him to score 2-3 points tonight so I can start sneering and bleating again.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I agree that it is way too soon to know what he will be at his prime. However we can use the eye test to say he is not playing well right now, no shame in that.

Sure. But the question was “what if the eye test is true…”

He’s 19. The player he is now isn’t who he’s going to be at 25.

He was drafted because scouts thought he looked good (i.e. eye test) despite his low production in Liiga, so why would the eye test stop being relevant after he gets drafted ?

I think the question that should be asked right now is if we’re developing him properly. And I think most people here would agree that the answer to the question would be: no.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Do you know how many times I heard it about Carey Price?

“Silver spoon! Overrated! Stupid pick!”

Guy went into be a top player in the league and a HOFer.

Let’s save the eye test for when he’s 25.

Price looked good from the getgo and had just MVP'd the AHL championship and came in at 20, completely different stories.

KK is a much more fitting comparison.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I mean, you can't hide talent though, and Pricer was oozing with it in Jr's. You see a ton of talent here? His game doesn't look suited, he doesn't go east-west, just north-south, and I know he's just a kid but you can't teach certain skillsets. I hope he pans out, but if he doesn't I also blame the team for keeping him up here.

I’ve seen moments of what could be with him. And honestly I think he’d be having a much better year if Dach were here.

What I see right now is a player with good potential who’s being mishandled.

As for Price - it was endless. Tons of guys would be all over here with glee if he had a bad game. Several posters had names like CareyisScarey or PriceBeachBall. It was a f***ing joke.

As I’ve said from the beginning with this player, I wouldn’t have drafted him. I’d have gone with Wright. But we took this guy. So now we owe him the patience of seeing what he can do. I don’t know any more than you do if this guy’s going to pan out. But the pile on nonsense is so over the top it’s ridiculous.

Let’s put it this way: I’m far more upset with the development side on this player than I am with the pick itself. We are putting him in a bad position and I don’t understand it.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Price looked good from the getgo and had just MVP'd the AHL championship and came in at 20, completely different stories.

That didn’t stop people here from piling on. It was just as bad if not worse here.

KK is a much more fitting comparison.

That works as well. But nobody took more fire than Price did.

 

[habdynasty]

That didn’t stop people here from piling on. It was just as bad if not worse here.

That works as well. But nobody took more fire than Price did.

I remember a lot of the posters that were slagging price with hundreds of posts vanished after a few seasons. Let’s hope that happens again.

 

[Whitesnake]

Do you know how many times I heard it about Carey Price?

“Silver spoon! Overrated! Stupid pick!”

Guy went into be a top player in the league and a HOFer.

Let’s save the eye test for when he’s 25.

Dissing the Price pick was never about his ability to be a goalie. It was about our eternal wish and need for an offensive forward while we thought the goaltending position was set.

Mind you......as I've seen saying all along...WAY TOO SOON to give up on Slaf ability to be a succesful NHL'er.

Later on, being on Price's case was also not entirely directed at Price, I believe. Price was the scapegoat for the management having as sole strategy to have Price....and that's it.

 

[ReHabs]

If Slafkovsky had half the pedigree of Carey Price maybe the comparison would be more sensible.

 

[Whitesnake]

I do not know wny there is outrage over the Habs fanbase. It baffles me everytime. It's really as if I go out and whine that sun shines too much. It is what it is. As a whole, we are not the most brillant bunch of them all. But as a whole....we are f***ing frustrated to be insanely irrelevant for 30 years now while a couple of teams have been shining. Including one of most important rivals, the Boston Bruins.

So as an organization, you have to take that into consideration. And handles yourself accordingly. And if you have to take your f***ing time, take it, AWAY from the NHL.