Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

Where would you prefer Slaf spend his 23-24 season?


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After his first game against the Leafs this yesr, I cautioned against getting too excited as i expected more peaks and valleys throughout this process.

I said after 10-12 games they need to re-evaluate and so would I.

Speaking right this moment…we’re not quite 10-12 games into it and its down to Laval for me.
 

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After his first game against the Leafs this yesr, I cautioned against getting too excited as i expected more peaks and valleys throughout this process.

I said after 10-12 games they need to re-evaluate and so would I.

Speaking right this moment…we’re not quite 10-12 games into it and its down to Laval for me.
He has to be tried with Monahan first.
 
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He has to be tried with Monahan first.
While I partly agree with that…he’s done very little to have deserve that opportunity.

But the biggest lie is that the NHL and professional leagues are a meritocracy.

Truth is in most other organizations, he’d have already gotten that opportunity whether deserved or not, simply because he's a player the organization invested a 1st overall pick in.

But we do things differently in Montreal so for me, it's down to Laval and not because I think it's going to revolutionize his game but because I think he needs to do something on the ice, that results into something that tangibly good.

And that ain't happening right now. (watch that change tonight lol)
 
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He has to be tried with Monahan first.
I’m very critical of Slaf but he should have been tried with Monahan, with Caufield and Suzuki already. Cooley, Beniers, Bedard and the others were given a chance with the top players off the bat. They were also plugged on the first PP for a long look. Perks of being drafted #1 or close. It never happened in Montreal.

Fast forward to today, Slaf looks like nothing else than an energy player. He’s not the Golden Boy that was drafted #1. In the team’s offensive pecking order he’s dead last or close to it. Now, players on the team will wonder why this guy gets rocketed to the top of the lineup when he shows less offence than everybody else. I even think there must be rumblings among players why he still deserves PP time.
 
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It’s inherently flawed to argue that what someone saw cannot be right because a summary statistic suggests otherwise. In the big picture, I hypothesize this is exactly why professional clubs employ both conventional scouting and statistical-based scouting approaches.

An interesting exercise would be to ask the posters here after each game to score their overall opinion of a player’s game on a scale of 1-10, and then plot that against the players GAR/xGAR. If you did this for all 82 games in a season, would you expect to see an R^2 of 1.0? I doubt it.

Are there any situations a player could have good moments in a game but have a poor GAR and xGAR score? I ask that from a genuine curiosity, because I respect you as a poster, and suspect you’re knowledgeable enough in this area that you can probably provide an interesting opinion.

From the 20 minutes of research I have done, it seems that GAR/xGAR, while being highly regarded as a valuable statistic, still has multiple limitations. In my research, there were two limitations that stood out to me. First, the model has a difficult time measuring the impact linemates have on the score if those linemates spend almost all of their time together. Second, the score is heavily reliant on plays that actually happen in a game, versus what should have happened, and this is particularly true for passing plays.

I highlight those two limitations because the majority of the comments I have read from the eye test crowd have focused on two things: (a) he is making passes to his linemates that they are failing to convert on, and (b) his entire line, which has played together since Dach went down, is struggling right now for reasons that are beyond Slafkovsky alone. Interestingly, both of those critiques would not be captured well by GAR/xGAR.

Bottom line, is I think this reenforces a part of the opinion in my post you quoted. Slafkovsky should be moved onto a line with different players (Monahan in this writers opinion) and be given a period of time to see if he looks better AND has better results. If that’s not happening after 10 games, then considering the entire body of work over the last 1.5 years, it’s time to have a rethink of the development approach.
I agree with all of this. Mostly.

Theres swings extreme and then theres 10 games sample too. One game isnt the same, its not a trend. 10 game starts being a trend. 50 is valuable as a statistical analysis. Slafkovsky has no statistics in which he even looks like a decent NHL player /the sportlogic nitpick they used 4 games ago (5 games sample).

The linemate argument works until you realize Dvorak, Anderson and Newhooks xGar and Gar are all 50th percentile to Slafs....

After his first game against the Leafs this yesr, I cautioned against getting too excited as i expected more peaks and valleys throughout this process.

I said after 10-12 games they need to re-evaluate and so would I.

Speaking right this moment…we’re not quite 10-12 games into it and its down to Laval for me.
Good enough for me. Didnt need another 10 games to know on my part, but its better late than never? Would it be better to just have started him in the AHL?
 
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Hey I wanted Cooley but what can you do? Hopefully Slaf just shuts me up so anyone that supports him right now can laugh at me and call me an idiot. I sincerely hope that happens
I’m fine with us taking him in hindsight, esp after that stupid display by Wright. I think people are far too critical of him and once again this board has shown it has zero patience as a whole.

All that being said, I totally agree with him being sent down. If Dach were here maybe it’s a different story but not now.
 
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Give the kid some time, he will be an important piece once he puts it all together. His body size with skating ability will be needed in playoff games in the future. Sucks that he was taken 1st because he will never live up to most others picked before and after him.
 
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I’m fine with us taking him in hindsight, esp after that stupid display by Wright. I think people are far too critical of him and once again this board has shown it has zero patience as a whole.

All that being said, I totally agree with him being sent down. If Dach were here maybe it’s a different story but not now.

Try him with Monahan, it worked nicely for a short time last year.
 
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I don't understand... 80% of people here wanted Shane Wright. Why I keep seeing everyone wanting Cooley now. Only 10% voted for Cooley in the pool (before the draft).
He scored a spinorama goal in the pre-season against AHLers.

If we want to judge by best play made, the Slaf assist in the opener against Toronto was objectively a better play, over 200 feet, against better players.
 
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I don't understand... 80% of people here wanted Shane Wright. Why I keep seeing everyone wanting Cooley now. Only 10% voted for Cooley in the pool (before the draft).

If we had Shane Wright and Michkov in the system right now like 80% of the fanbase wanted, people would feel a lot better about our chances of assembling a really good forward group. Then there's a lot of D available in 2024.

If Wright was a Hab they'd have rushed him into the lineup as well. He's a smart player though, I'm sure he'd be producing at least a little offense while not having the egregious turnovers.

I don't really get why they can't get Slaf to Laval, it's a close drive from Montreal and it's not like they can't work with him closely there. You're not banishing him to Fredericton or Hamilton and leaving it all to your AHL coach like before. The kid is barely surviving in the bigs and they've subjected him to way more scrutiny with all the eyeballs on his every failing move. I'm very worried we botched this pick badly but I'm all for patience and letting him cook in the AHL for as long as it takes. Just do it already.
 

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Why does it matter who most here wanted? It should be comparing our scouts to other teams' scouts, not our scouts vs HFHabs.
The scouts cannot predict the future, they can only evaluate a player's current talent and dispositions.

They cannot prevent a former GM who is notorious for rushing and ruining high draft picks, a former player agent who looks like a Family Adams' extra and a guy with the mental processing of Marc Bergevin whose coaching resume consists of being a peewee assistant, from f***ing up the player once he is drafted.

You can never completely exonerate a player, who is responsible in great part for his success but in this particular case, he has been completely mishandled. This will be very obvious to most people who have hockey experience. All the people here hanging to the idea of "a plan" are completely deluding themselves. There's very little plan here. They ade a mistake and at this point, they have either known it for a long time but are too afraid of the reaction if they change course, or they are even worse idiots than I feared.
 

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One of my worries with him having a consistent lack of success is, it becomes harder to find that success afterwards AND that can get in your head. I think Slaf is a pretty confident guy and that's one of the reasons the Habs picked him over Wright, but I don't want to see him go down that route and hope he can find success soon, whether that be in the NHL or AHL.

I think if Slaf does stay on that line with Newhook and ends up finding success it will be very beneficial for him, because he has learn to adapt his playstyle to fit his linemates and that will help him understand the game better. I still hope he gets sent down because I want him to get those easier minutes against lesser competition. Rantanen is a good comparable to Slaf and he spent an extra season in Finland and then one in the AHL before making the NHL.
 

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If we had Shane Wright and Michkov in the system right now like 80% of the fanbase wanted, people would feel a lot better about our chances of assembling a really good forward group. Then there's a lot of D available in 2024.

If Wright was a Hab they'd have rushed him into the lineup as well. He's a smart player though, I'm sure he'd be producing at least a little offense while not having the egregious turnovers.

I don't really get why they can't get Slaf to Laval, it's a close drive from Montreal and it's not like they can't work with him closely there. You're not banishing him to Fredericton or Hamilton and leaving it all to your AHL coach like before. The kid is barely surviving in the bigs and they've subjected him to way more scrutiny with all the eyeballs on his every failing move. I'm very worried we botched this pick badly but I'm all for patience and letting him cook in the AHL for as long as it takes. Just do it already.
I'm worried that the team doesnt have confidence in Houle because he's not their guy, and that's one reason why they kept him up. Hope not...
 

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The scouts cannot predict the future, they can only evaluate a player's current talent and dispositions.

They cannot prevent a former GM who is notorious for rushing and ruining high draft picks, a former player agent who looks like a Family Adams' extra and a guy with the mental processing of Marc Bergevin whose coaching resume consists of being a peewee assistant, from f***ing up the player once he is drafted.

You can never completely exonerate a player, who is responsible in great part for his success but in this particular case, he has been completely mishandled. This will be very obvious to most people who have hockey experience. All the people here hanging to the idea of "a plan" are completely deluding themselves. There's very little plan here. They ade a mistake and at this point, they have either known it for a long time but are too afraid of the reaction if they change course, or they are even worse idiots than I feared.

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I'm worried that the team doesnt have confidence in Houle because he's not their guy, and that's one reason why they kept him up. Hope not...

If that's the case why haven't they replaced Houle yet?
 

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I'm worried that the team doesnt have confidence in Houle because he's not their guy, and that's one reason why they kept him up. Hope not...
HuGo hinted in the press conference last year after he was hurt that they were worried Slafkovsky would have too much pressure on him to produce if he got sent to the AHL after being in the NHL. What I think they’re really worried about is that he’s not even good enough to play down there with what he’s shown so far and that would damage both his and their image.
 

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He scored a spinorama goal in the pre-season against AHLers.

If we want to judge by best play made, the Slaf assist in the opener against Toronto was objectively a better play, over 200 feet, against better players.
I would probably take Cooley over the others for tonight. It’s more that Slaf sucks than Cooley blowing me off my chair. Second assists because he took faceoffs. He has one goal. Another end to end goal like preseason. Awesome for highlight reels but not great for long-term goal volume.
 

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HuGo hinted in the press conference last year after he was hurt that they were worried Slafkovsky would have too much pressure on him to produce if he got sent to the AHL after being in the NHL. What I think they’re really worried about is that he’s not even good enough to play down there with what he’s shown so far and that would damage both his and their image.
Well, they're just kicking the can down the road at this point.
 
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