Confirmed with Link: July 1st - Free Agent Extravaganza Part II

[The Lunatic Fridge]

Eric Staal is a shell of his former self. Stay away. Far far away.

 

[Zil]

Oh snap you didn't trade stepan

But for consistency's sake he still murdered our center depth and managed to dump our highest rated prospects at the same time. Who needs young cost controlled assets when you can have "star" power like Eric Staal.

 

[TheTakedown]

77, please cut the "trade stepan" debate.. My goodness...

Dan Boyle was a good signing... It makes sense, and the guy left both MONEY AND YEARS on the table to come play here. that should be enough for you guys to be convinced he wants to win.

I love stralsy but we already have 3 rock ssolid defensemen, and only one is producing more than 10 points per year... That has to change. Boyle accomplishes that.

As for glass, give him a chance... I'm seriously wondering if Bylsma just misplayed him making him look worse than he actually is. Worst case that isn't a terrible contract and is easily tradable in the event he does not work out... Reclamation projects always have these risks..

 

[Zil]

Looking over the Tampa board to see their reactions to adding Stralman and Boyle it becomes apparent just how few people actually give a **** about that team. Stamkos is wasted on a fanbase that tiny.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I'm excited about D.boyle and I believe that Miller will step up to the plate and take that #3 center spot

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

But for consistency's sake he still murdered our center depth and managed to dump our highest rated prospects at the same time. Who needs young cost controlled assets when you can have "star" power like Eric Staal.

A lot of teams got better today, despite some of the ludicrous contracts given out.

Stepan-Brassard can't compete with some of the center depth out there now. Neither one is a legit 1C. That's an issue.

 

[theJUMPER]

There has to be more to the whole stralman thing. People need to calm down and stop getting so defenseive about him. I'm sure if the contracts were indeed exactly the same stralman would already be signed. Hell they could have signed stralman and (dan) boyle and deal someone to have both if they were after boyle too from the get go.

Stralman turned into a God because nbcsports drooled over him in the finals.

He's a 15 pt/year player that was good within the system, on a defensively responsible team.

Paying 4.5 for that type of player is insane. He makes Girardi look like Phil Housley.

 

[Zil]

A lot of teams got better today, despite some of the ludicrous contracts given out.

Stepan-Brassard can't compete with some of the center depth out there now. Neither one is a legit 1C. That's an issue.

The husk of Eric Staal doesn't do much about that. Your plans have Lindberg, Haggerty, and Glass in the bottom six and zero wiggle cap-wise. That team gets eaten alive. Depth wins championships, not stars and scrubs rosters. That goes double when you're counting Eric Staal as a star.

 

[Alluckks]

I still want to replace one of our defenseman with Conner Allen

 

[Zil]

I still want to replace one of our defenseman with Conner Allen

Guys like Allen and McIlrath are more primed to steal someone's spot mid-season. If either proves ready and deserving we can flip a member of our current third pairing for an asset.

 

[mike14]

So I don't really get the whole 'advanced stats' thing but it seems to say that Stralman is much better then Klein, which I found weird as they looked much of the same to me while watching.

Using the CF% (it's attempted shots to work out time in position right?) to compare Stralman to Klein, assuming that Klein got the same ATOI that anton had this season and his CF% reverts back to his career avg (I used 46.5) while Stralman's stays at his current seasons (56.5), it works out to the opposition having the puck for an extra 2 min 54 sec, which means that if Klein was to spread that ATOI over the same avg shift # that Stralman had the opposition would have the puck for just under an additional 7 secs per shift.

Using the attempted shots per minute stat it works out to 4.5 shots a game (just over 1 attempted shot per period).

I guess my question is: who gives a ****? 7 seconds and one and a bit attempted shots? For $1.5m per year difference that seems more than reasonable...

 

[Zil]

So I don't really get the whole 'advanced stats' thing but it seems to say that Stralman is much better then Klein, which I found weird as they looked much of the same to me while watching.

Using the CF% (it's attempted shots to work out time in position right?) to compare Stralman to Klein, assuming that Klein got the same ATOI that anton had this season and his CF% reverts back to his career avg (I used 46.5) while Stralman's stays at his current seasons (56.5), it works out to the opposition having the puck for an extra 2 min 54 sec, which means that if Klein was to spread that ATOI over the same avg shift # that Stralman had the opposition would have the puck for just under an additional 7 secs per shift.

Using the attempted shots per minute stat it works out to 4.5 shots a game (just over 1 attempted shot per period).

I guess my question is: who gives a ****? 7 seconds and one and a bit attempted shots? For $1.5m per year difference that seems more than reasonable...

Who gives a ****? Seriously? Do you like watching the Rangers hemmed into their own zone for extended periods?

 

[mike14]

Who gives a ****? Seriously? Do you like watching the Rangers hemmed into their own zone for extended periods?

For an extra 7 seconds every few shifts (and not necessarily in their zone as CF% can't track that) it really doesn't worry me.

 

[Ola]

The NMC could have been a critical issue for Stralman.

He said security first in interviews, and it was especially pointed out in Swedish Media that he got a NMC from Tampa. He was also disappointed he couldn't stay in NY, he said that we "preferred" someone else.

What do I know, but from my horizon I wouldn't have liked to lock up a top 4 for 4-5 years with as little offense as McD-G and Staal-Stralsy. I would have matched Tampas offer save for the NMC because Stralsy could always have been traded. But with a 5 year NMC? I don't fear the play of Stralman in 5 years, but the team as a whole could need adjusting...

 

[Ola]

The three of them had a large net positive effect on our possession game. It's a big step back, especially if we don't add anything else of significance. Also:



I don't think they really tried to keep him.

See the comment from Slats stating that you want players to know their role or you will get a lot of problems.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Did Berm change his user name to SeventySeven?

Good to read that Zipay report that Rangers aren't done. Most of us knew this and assumed it would be by trade.

As for Zucc I think who ever reported he wants $5 million per year are basing that off old information. Wasn't there an a European news outlet claiming Zucc was looking for $5 million per like a week or two ago? Then the new report came out a couple of days ago he was willing to sacrifice money to help keep core of team together.

I don't think this new report that he's now asking for $5 million is correct.

 

[Vitto79]

Pouliout is not a 4M player.
Stralman is not a proven 4.5M player
Boyle is worth 2M, but shouldn't be in a position to dictate his role.
Richards cap recapture liability is a no brainer.

Given some of the contracts that were handed out today, Sather & Co. should be commended for not getting involved in frenzy. Miller at 6M per? Pouliout at 4M per? ****ing Orpik at 5.5M per? Statsny 7M per? Even Bolland got crazy money. Thank god we didn't get involved in some of that idiocy.

Most questionable thing is Tanner Glass. I would've preferred Car Bomb at roughly 1/2 the hit. Maybe we can pick up a guy like Roy or Setoguchi (who I really like) at a reasonable cap hit going forward. The pieces we lost are replaceable.

Hoping the plan is a righty shooting winger for the PP and a line w hagelin and miller
Setogucci or stempniak if they take under 2 million

Still think Nash to lw w brassard and zuccarello a pouliott gone

 

[StepansLabyrinth]

What do I know, but from my horizon I wouldn't have liked to lock up a top 4 for 4-5 years with as little offense as McD-G and Staal-Stralsy.

That's a very good point. Vigneault's system absolutely relies on puckmoving defenseman. With Staal and Girardi, you're not going to get it (even though they're both fantastic defensive players) and placing all of the responsibility on McDonagh is a little reckless. We DO have the talent to cover for Boyle's weakness but we didn't have the talent to cover for our lack of puckmoving defenseman without Boyle.

As an aside, it's weird to mention the name Boyle without referring to our favorite big goof, who I sincerely hope plays well in Tampa... I mean, not in games against us, but in games against Philly, Pitt, etc.

 

[Zil]

Stralman is a puck moving defenseman. People are confusing puck moving defenseman with offensive defenseman. They're two different things.

For an extra 7 seconds every few shifts (and not necessarily in their zone as CF% can't track that) it really doesn't worry me.

A) 7 seconds out of a 30-60 second shift is huge.

B) CF% tracks shots on goal. Very few shots on goal are given up outside of your defensive zone.

 

[mike14]

Stralman is a puck moving defenseman. People are confusing puck moving defenseman with offensive defenseman. They're two different things.



A) 7 seconds out of a 30-60 second shift is huge.

B) CF% tracks shots on goal. Very few shots on goal are given up outside of your defensive zone.

I not convinced it's that huge, maybe one more rush every few shifts

CF tracks shots on goal, but only to 'approximate' possession correct (like I said I've only just started looking into this)? ie, Stralman is on the ice for more attempted Ranger shots then opposition shots, therefore it assumes the Rangers have the puck more, even those the shots could have come in a very brief span and then the opposition could have cycled the puck but not generated a shot? Also, what happens when the puck is in dispute, does CF% take this into account?

 

[NewLife]

The NMC could have been a critical issue for Stralman.

He said security first in interviews, and it was especially pointed out in Swedish Media that he got a NMC from Tampa. He was also disappointed he couldn't stay in NY, he said that we "preferred" someone else.

What do I know, but from my horizon I wouldn't have liked to lock up a top 4 for 4-5 years with as little offense as McD-G and Staal-Stralsy. I would have matched Tampas offer save for the NMC because Stralsy could always have been traded. But with a 5 year NMC? I don't fear the play of Stralman in 5 years, but the team as a whole could need adjusting...

I agree. As good as our blue line is it's need some offensive tweaks. Strålman out, Boyle in solves that one on paper, just hope it panes out.

 

[Vitto79]

Booth, kulemin, legwand , setogucci, stempniak still out there

Grabovski, vrbata will get too much

 

[GAGLine]

A lot of teams got better today, despite some of the ludicrous contracts given out.

Stepan-Brassard can't compete with some of the center depth out there now. Neither one is a legit 1C. That's an issue.

An issue we don't have the means to solve right now. Trying to force a solution will only cause problems elsewhere. Sometimes you just have to be patient and make the best with what you have until the right player/deal comes along.

 

[Ola]

That's a very good point. Vigneault's system absolutely relies on puckmoving defenseman. With Staal and Girardi, you're not going to get it (even though they're both fantastic defensive players) and placing all of the responsibility on McDonagh is a little reckless. We DO have the talent to cover for Boyle's weakness but we didn't have the talent to cover for our lack of puckmoving defenseman without Boyle.

As an aside, it's weird to mention the name Boyle without referring to our favorite big goof, who I sincerely hope plays well in Tampa... I mean, not in games against us, but in games against Philly, Pitt, etc.

Absolutely, like Buff has offense from the blueline and in, but can hardly compete with like Girardi with the puck from his own net to the O blueline.

Stralman has been good with the puck, but not great.

Advanced stats are an indication, but far from everything. There are many PMDs <off. blueline better than Stralsy. Those young Swedes, Brodin and Lindholm, for example are on a diffrent planet.

 

[RangerBoy]

Did Berm change his user name to SeventySeven?

Good to read that Zipay report that Rangers aren't done. Most of us knew this and assumed it would be by trade.

As for Zucc I think who ever reported he wants $5 million per year are basing that off old information. Wasn't there an a European news outlet claiming Zucc was looking for $5 million per like a week or two ago? Then the new report came out a couple of days ago he was willing to sacrifice money to help keep core of team together.

I don't think this new report that he's now asking for $5 million is correct.

There was a report out of Norway yesterday. Newport want 4 years/$20M.

TV2 just revealed on the news that Zuccarello's representatives wanted a 4 yr deal worth $20 mill

https://twitter.com/ERWerenskjold/status/484062071060189184

In that report from Monday,Zuccarello said he would listen to the advice of his agency.

Zuccarello won't get $5M but he will get $4M-$4.5M for 3 or 4 years. That's not cheap for a player with one good season.