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I have a big, big problem with that chart. Stralman didn't come onto the team until 2011. He never played with Tyutin as a Ranger. From 2009-2011, the team was nowhere near the quality that it was 2011-2014. The numbers are just not comparable. It's like taking the temperature in Bali and the temperature in Boston and using them to find an average global temperature. Using that chart to evaluate Staal also doesn't address who Staal's partners were during that time. Staal-Girardi was an excellent partnership, but one destined not to show great possession numbers because both players are off-puck players. It's why the pair got broken up as soon as possible. Beyond that pairing, I seem to remember Staal being with Rozy and MDZ most of the time. Hardly partners conducive to good possession numbers, either.

The chart was just to figuratively compare Stralmans dominance relative to previous Rangers dmen as well his ability to drastically improve their play vs. without their play. I know it'll be brushed aside as having no competition, but performing better than MDZ, Staal, Girardi, Tyutin, Roszival, etc who were all top 4 dmen for the majority of their Rangers tenure speaks volumes of his skill level.

The chart clearly points out that Stralman has been Staal's best defense partner and the Rangers decide to let go off that after 1 full season with the pair together. What's worse is that they sign an aging Dan Boyle who is utterly incapable of handling the same ES minutes with dominance as he used to be. This is quite inexcusable.
 
A dozen steps. That's a lot for one player.

They lost three very good possession players in Stralman, Pouliot, and Boyle. They replaced them with an aging powerplay specialist and one the worst handful of players in the league (Glass). There's no way I would've given Pouliot that deal, but Stralman and Brian Boyle should've been kept at the terms they got.
 
A dozen steps. That's a lot for one player leaving, yeesh.

Yeah, the opportunity was there to safely secure the best dcore in the league. If we are to believe Brooks, then Stralman would've returned to the Rangers at the same contract with the Lightning - truly a bargain for a player of his stature.

I'd let it go if Stralman was adamant on leaving, but this wasn't the case. He didn't leave money off the table. He wanted to be a Ranger.
 
They lost three very good possession players in Stralman, Pouliot, and Boyle. They replaced them with an aging powerplay specialist and one the worst handful of players in the league (Glass). There's no way I would've given Pouliot that deal, but Stralman and Brian Boyle should've been kept at the terms they got.

Brian Boyle was not an option to keep. I'm really miffed as to why posters who spend a lot of time on this site seem to be missing that. He didn't want to sign somewhere where he was guaranteed to not be anything more than a 4th liner. Speaking of which, his possession numbers at 10 minutes of ES per game don't really have a major impact when he's only putting up 6 goals. Mostly, we will miss his PK and his locker room presence, both of which can be replaced.

Pouliot's loss is a little harder to take, but they actually still have plenty of time to bring in a replacement.
 
Brian Boyle was not an option to keep. I'm really miffed as to why posters who spend a lot of time on this site seem to be missing that. He didn't want to sign somewhere where he was guaranteed to not be anything more than a 4th liner. Speaking of which, his possession numbers at 10 minutes of ES per game don't really have a major impact when he's only putting up 6 goals. Mostly, we will miss his PK and his locker room presence, both of which can be replaced.

Pouliot's loss is a little harder to take, but they actually still have plenty of time to bring in a replacement.

The three of them had a large net positive effect on our possession game. It's a big step back, especially if we don't add anything else of significance. Also:

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord · 5h

Told Rangers made minimal contact with Brian Boyle's reps prior to today.

I don't think they really tried to keep him.
 
Sucks to lose Stralman but oh well. Losing Boyle hurts as well, he was a gamer. Surely we could've matched the offer Tampa gave him. Bringing back Moore was a very good move. Bringing in D. Boyle was another solid move. Risky but a solid move. Glass signing was horrible. Not upset at losing Poo at all. I mean I'll miss him but he got a crazy contract offer that was too hard to knock back. He got the term and cash.
 
There has to be more to the whole stralman thing. People need to calm down and stop getting so defenseive about him. I'm sure if the contracts were indeed exactly the same stralman would already be signed. Hell they could have signed stralman and (dan) boyle and deal someone to have both if they were after boyle too from the get go.
 
This obsession with Stralman's possession stats is a little over the top. I hope people who consider Stralman an elite defenseman consider Jake Muzzin the King's best D-man, Nick Leddy the Blackhawks defenseman, and Christian Ehrhoff one of the worst players in the league.

Stralman was what he was, a very stable but unspectacular player. On a good team, he's a 4. 4s don't make or break your team. Especially when you replace them with another really good 4. Dan Boyle logged the most minutes per game out of any player on the Sharks, who were a better team than we were by those same advanced metrics as well as record. How does that equate to him being anything other than a very, very good player?

Literally the only valid argument is "I think he'll decline" but that's also an assumption more than an opinion based on reason.
 
This obsession with Stralman's possession stats is a little over the top. I hope people who consider Stralman an elite defenseman consider Jake Muzzin the King's best D-man, Nick Leddy the Blackhawks defenseman, and Christian Ehrhoff one of the worst players in the league.

Possession stats adore Ehrhoff. In the last two years he posted +8.1% and +4.8% respectively in CF% rel. That means his team's possession game markedly improved whenever he was on the ice. Maybe you should figure out what the stats actually say before judging the people who use them.

Stralman was what he was, a very stable but unspectacular player. On a good team, he's a 4. 4s don't make or break your team. Especially when you replace them with another really good 4. Dan Boyle logged the most minutes per game out of any player on the Sharks, who were a better team than we were by those same advanced metrics as well as record. How does that equate to him being anything other than a very, very good player?

The Sharks being better than the Rangers last year doesn't make Boyle better than Stralman. By that logic every player on the Sharks was better than every player on the Rangers. Stralman's one of the very, very best possession players in the league and we're going to miss him dearly next year.

Literally the only valid argument is "I think he'll decline" but that's also an assumption more than an opinion based on reason.

Boyle is a powerplay specialist. At even strength he is vastly inferior to Stralman. The fact that he's 38 and likely to get worse is just the awful cherry on this sundae of terribleness.
 
@stevezipay: #NYR asst GM Jeff Gorton: Still looking for F, not necessarily UFA. Leaves door open on using summer cap cushion to go over $69 million.

Was this posted?
 
@stevezipay: #NYR asst GM Jeff Gorton: Still looking for F, not necessarily UFA. Leaves door open on using summer cap cushion to go over $69 million.

Was this posted?

I think so. I also think you should change your username to -31-. Complete the effect.
 
Possession stats adore Ehrhoff. In the last two years he posted +8.1% and +4.8% respectively in CF% rel. That means his team's possession game markedly improved whenever he was on the ice. Maybe you should figure out what the stats actually say before judging the people who use them.

No need to be pretentious, I was using CF%, which is usually as far as people go with possession stats. But I'll play your little game. Do you think Niskanen was overpaid? Top D in the Eastern Conference according to CF% rel last season. You also didn't address my point about Muzzin being the Kings best D-Man. Was Mike Green the best D-Man on Caps? Was Shattenkirk the best D-Man on the Blues? According to your logic, those teams were all at their best with those players on the ice. Same with Anton "More Possession than Poltergeist" Stralman.

Hopefully the Blues don't find out your secret formula, they clearly need to stop playing Pietrangelo less and play Shattenkirk more. Same with the Blackhawks, who need to play Leddy over Seabrook and Keith.

My point is that stats like CF% rel need to be taken with more than a grain of salt. At some level, you have to address the fact that hockey comes down to putting the puck in the net. Not only is Boyle at better scoring (like infinitely better) but he puts the people around him in better positions to score, which is why his assist totals dwarf Stralmans. Stralman was a great possession guy, which shouldn't be downplayed, by possession isn't everything. If it was, his classic stats would be better than they were.

Also, super funny at your implication that Boyle's numbers were only because he was on a good team, even though he was physically on the ice more than any other player on that team. Logically speaking, his impact was greater than the guys that played less.

Numbers are fun but watching hockey is better. Stralman in person is nowhere as good as Stralman the stat entity.
 
No need to be pretentious, I was using CF%, which is usually as far as people go with possession stats. But I'll play your little game. Do you think Niskanen was overpaid? Top D in the Eastern Conference according to CF% rel last season. You also didn't address my point about Muzzin being the Kings best D-Man. Was Mike Green the best D-Man on Caps? Was Shattenkirk the best D-Man on the Blues? According to your logic, those teams were all at their best with those players on the ice. Same with Anton "More Possession than Poltergeist" Stralman.

Hopefully the Blues don't find out your secret formula, they clearly need to stop playing Pietrangelo less and play Shattenkirk more. Same with the Blackhawks, who need to play Leddy over Seabrook and Keith.

My point is that stats like CF% rel need to be taken with more than a grain of salt. At some level, you have to address the fact that hockey comes down to putting the puck in the net. Not only is Boyle at better scoring (like infinitely better) but he puts the people around him in better positions to score, which is why his assist totals dwarf Stralmans. Stralman was a great possession guy, which shouldn't be downplayed, by possession isn't everything. If it was, his classic stats would be better than they were.

Also, super funny at your implication that Boyle's numbers were only because he was on a good team, even though he was physically on the ice more than any other player on that team. Logically speaking, his impact was greater than the guys that played less.

Numbers are fun but watching hockey is better. Stralman in person is nowhere as good as Stralman the stat entity.

I'm not going to respond on your claims about other players because that would take more effort than you've put into making them. As far as Stralman goes, it doesn't matter how you look at him. The numbers sing his praises no matter how in depth you go or what variables you use. Blue Blooded wrote a whole article about it. You can read it here: http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/6/4/5778722/deployment-of-the-ranger-defencemen
 
in the end, and we can argue this till kingdom come, i think we can all agree...

stralman isnt a ranger.

boyle is


Screw Stralman, I hope Boyle kicks ass.

Nothing else to be said.
 
i bet the rangers brass replaced stralman with boyle for these reasons:

1) they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by signing boyle to replace stralman on defense and richards as the power play QB

2) we finally acquire an offensively competent right-handed shot on the power play point (not Girardi!!), so that there are one-timer options on both sides of the ice

3) we have enough money to re-up staal

4) we give connor allen and mcilrath more time to season in the AHL if they aren't NHL ready

5) boyle's $4.5 million cap hit comes off the books the summer Stamkos, E. Staal, Kopitar, Lucic, Backes, etc. etc. hit UFA; by that time boyle should be replaceable by cheaper options (Allen, McIlrath, Skjei)
 
Hope Sather has something like this planned:

Brassard, Miller, Skjei, 2nd 2015 for E. Staal (CAR retains 10% salary)

Klein for Ben Lovejoy and a 4th 2015

Kreider E.Staal St. Louis
Zuccarello Stepan Nash
Hagelin Lindberg Haggerty
Glass Moore Carter
Kristo

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Boyle
Moore Lovejoy/Allen/Hunwick

Lundqvist
Talbot



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FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / Eric Staal ($7.425m—10.00%) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Mats Zuccarello ($3.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Ryan Haggerty ($0.925m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Ryan Carter ($0.900m)
Danny Kristo ($0.827m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($4.500m)
John Moore ($1.200m) / Ben Lovejoy (1.100m)
Matt Hunwick ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,839,375; BONUSES: $368,333
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