Confirmed with Link: July 1st - Free Agent Extravaganza Part II
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BlueshirtBlitz
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No doubt, but the hate from Staal after those two series has become a bit much. You would think he looked like Hal Gill out there the way some talk about him.
Killem Dafoe
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Zucc might not get 5m a year, but he's not crazy for asking. Look what Poo made. Zucc was the most offensively consistent player for us all year and one of the hardest working on a night to night basis.
LORDE
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Because people who don't have a lot of money shouldn't spend $10 a day on Taco Bell. You could save that money all week and buy groceries and eat a little better and healthier.
We also figured he'd be a good trading partner for us to get better at center (ie. ROR).
With Stralman gone, though, I don't see how you could afford to let him go now.
StepansLabyrinth
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RFA vs. UFA. Still, that's exactly what Zuke is looking at when he's a UFA. We should sign him for 3 or 4 years and buy out some of those overly expensive UFA years.
Not sure if I feel comfortable going 5 years, though. Who knows how Zuke's body will hold up after years in the league.
17futurecap
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If he is confident in doing it again, he should just go to arbitration and become a UFA next summer. It's a pretty big risk, but I expect him to be as good as he was last year.
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Yup. People are also discounting the possibility that Staal continues to adapt to playing with his injury. I could see him improving this year.
McDonagh, too. ****, I think he could pot 50-60 points next year.
BlueshirtBlitz
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I actually expect McDonagh to pot more than 50 this year, because I think Stepan will put up closer to 70 points than 50.
That's why i'm not TOO down. Despite how many people here like to **** on the team, we have some very good young talent.
If we could somehow snag Grabo and run a 3rd line of Fast-Grabo-MZA, i'd be very pleased with our top 9.
Killem Dafoe
Hold my baby, man.
Before I read what you wrote I saw what you highlighted and thought, "Oh boy, here come the jokes."
But yeah, there's a difference there, and maybe not the best comparison, but Zucc is worth more and he knows it. I can see him getting 4 on a short term and then getting paid if he keeps it up.
Yeah it is, but I honestly think he's the real deal. In fact, I'll go out on a limb to suggest that he gets better and his production increases.
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Yeah. I definitely expect to finish decently high in the standings again. As long as we have McD, Hank, and our core group.of forwards, we will not be an easy team to beat. Hopefully the depth will be replaced internally by some kids stepping up.
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We're always playing with such thin margins because our we never have true high end offensive players and instead pay middle level veterans like they're better than they actually are. Brass is going to get a $4 million plus cap hit for three or more years even though he's mostly a product of his wingers. Nash is a very, very good player but his contract is ridiculous. Girardi's contract is very large, beyond that everyone knows my feelings on him. And we have gm who gives three year deals to face punchers.
When are we going to have room to add a true difference maker? Next year Stepan and Hagelin will get raises to more than eat up whatever rise in the cap occurs. Staal's going to get a monster extension despite it being a bad idea. It seems like the front office has a very poor understanding of where to find actual value.
StepansLabyrinth
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When it comes to signing guys that are in Zuke's position, it's important to consider whether or not the player is going to improve. I would be thrilled if Zuke maintained his play but I'm not sure there's much room for him to improve. Signing him to a 3 year deal is less of a risk than a 5 year one and I don't think there's a high chance that in 3 years after a 3 year deal that we'll regret not adding two more years. He'll have reached age 30, which lessens his value in the eyes of GMs. His peak value is the next couple of years and I think those are the years that are important to lock up. 5 comes with added risk of injuries accumulating.
When you think a guy is going to improve, that's when you really try to buy out a lot of UFA years. I think 3 would suffice for Zuke and would give him the type of paycheck he deserves. If he turns into the next coming of MSL, we'll only regret it slightly. If he breaks down, we will absolutely regret a full 5 years (or more) where as 3 years wouldn't be that bad in a worst case scenario.
3 years, 12 mil? Is that doable with our cap space? Is that what he's looking for?
When you think a guy is going to improve, that's when you really try to buy out a lot of UFA years. I think 3 would suffice for Zuke and would give him the type of paycheck he deserves. If he turns into the next coming of MSL, we'll only regret it slightly. If he breaks down, we will absolutely regret a full 5 years (or more) where as 3 years wouldn't be that bad in a worst case scenario.
3 years, 12 mil? Is that doable with our cap space? Is that what he's looking for?
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Last season's opening night roster (Callahan and Kreider were on the shelf):
Stepan, Brassard, Richards, Moore
Nash, Zucc, Fast, Dorsett
Pouliot, Pyatt, Miller, B. Boyle
McDonagh, Girardi, Staal,
Stralman, Del Zotto, Moore
Lunqvist, Talbot
I don't know anybody who thought that was an Eastern Conference Championship team and there were question marks. Somewhere along the way we jettisoned Pyatt, Del Zotto and Callahan and added Klein and MSL. This isn't even the opening night roster for 2014-15. Today's roster isnt even opening night's roster. It's the roster on July 1st. Don't get hung up on what the roster looks like today.
Stepan, Brassard, Richards, Moore
Nash, Zucc, Fast, Dorsett
Pouliot, Pyatt, Miller, B. Boyle
McDonagh, Girardi, Staal,
Stralman, Del Zotto, Moore
Lunqvist, Talbot
I don't know anybody who thought that was an Eastern Conference Championship team and there were question marks. Somewhere along the way we jettisoned Pyatt, Del Zotto and Callahan and added Klein and MSL. This isn't even the opening night roster for 2014-15. Today's roster isnt even opening night's roster. It's the roster on July 1st. Don't get hung up on what the roster looks like today.
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Kreider Luvs Goalies
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The problem is Staal was ridiculously bad without Stralman last year. When he's away from him, his possession stats are worse than MDZ, Moore, Bickel, Eminger. That's very alarming.
The pairing as it was was very successful. I simply can't comprehend why they'd break up that elite defense pairing.
To put it in perspective, since 2009, all defenseman who haven't played with Stralman, Staal has the worst possession stats.
To say Stralman's masked Staal's deficiencies is an understatement.
Tawnos
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The problem is Staal was ridiculously bad without Stralman last year. When he's away from him, his possession stats are worse than MDZ, Moore, Bickel, Eminger. That's very alarming.
The pairing as it was was very successful. I simply can't comprehend why they'd break up that elite defense pairing.
To put it in perspective, since 2009, all defenseman who haven't played with Stralman, Staal has the worst possession stats.
To say Stralman's masked Staal's deficiencies is an understatement.
I have a big, big problem with that chart. Stralman didn't come onto the team until 2011. He never played with Tyutin as a Ranger. From 2009-2011, the team was nowhere near the quality that it was 2011-2014. The numbers are just not comparable. It's like taking the temperature in Bali and the temperature in Boston and using them to find an average global temperature. Using that chart to evaluate Staal also doesn't address who Staal's partners were during that time. Staal-Girardi was an excellent partnership, but one destined not to show great possession numbers because both players are off-puck players. It's why the pair got broken up as soon as possible. Beyond that pairing, I seem to remember Staal being with Rozy and MDZ most of the time. Hardly partners conducive to good possession numbers, either.
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