Value of: JT Miller to New Jersey Devils

[BCNate]

That is definitly something I'd think about. I'd try and keep McLeod and offer one of our several left handed dman we have in our pipeline before parting ways with our 4th line center who seems to be relied on by our coaching staff for key faceoffs.

Yeah, I've watched a few Devils games this year and have seen him out there for some big draws and PK's. I 'd expect that based on his pedigree, he has some upside as well. He is exactly what the Canucks need, and he is RH. I get that he would be a tough guy to trade.

 

[Boondock]

Fair enough. I wouldn't consider moving Holtz for a potential rental thus the reason why I was offering Severson, who's a RHD and those players are a hot commidity versus left wingers. I can agree that we might have to add a prospect and if the Canucks are in need of a guy like Bahl, he might be available knowing we are stacked at that position and he's been bumped down our depth chart with the addition of Shak and Hughes via the 2020 and 2021 draft.

Canucks can't be making trades for significantly lesser pieces and maybe prospects. Since arriving in Vancouver Miller is 16th in the league in total points and ahead of players such as Tavares, Point, Gaudreau and many others in points per game. Signed at $5.25 - I am having a hard time understanding why so many people are making offers for players like Kuokkanen and prospects like Bahl. These types of offers generate frustration and create angry exchanges from both sides. I would be surprised if NJ would entertain some of these offers for career high 35 point Pavel Zacha.

 

[Boondock]

Did I? Now I admit what I stated was pretty vague but I did not "slag" the entire fanbase. That was you inserting the "slag" into my comment.
Guilty conscious perhaps?

ill be less vague for you though. what I mean't by say that was that I now understand the recent notion that there is toxicity in the Vancouver fanbase.

I don't really understand your point I guess. Not insulting an entire fan base but also vaguely insulting an entire fan base? Seems like your comments were meant to satisfy your agenda

 

[bobbyb2009]

Seversson, McLeod, 2022 1st, Bahl

for

Miller
Poolman/Schenn
Lamikko

 

[Buck Dancer]

Canucks can't be making trades for significantly lesser pieces and maybe prospects. Since arriving in Vancouver Miller is 16th in the league in total points and ahead of players such as Tavares, Point, Gaudreau and many others in points per game. Signed at $5.25 - I am having a hard time understanding why so many people are making offers for players like Kuokkanen and prospects like Bahl. These types of offers generate frustration and create angry exchanges from both sides. I would be surprised if NJ would entertain some of these offers for career high 35 point Pavel Zacha.

Acting as if Damon Severson is this chump you're getting as a throw in doesn't help your case and as much as I like Miller, he seems to be pretty vocal about his shit situation in Vancouver and that normaly reduces his value. If you think you can get him for a top #4 RHD +++, then yes, you should absolutely take that deal if it's out there. Severson would automaticly be your best defender on the right side of that defence, is still fairly young and would bump guys like Myers and others in their proper chair.

 

[Boondock]

Acting as if Damon Severson is this chump you're getting as a throw in doesn't help your case and as much as I like Miller, he seems to be pretty vocal about his shit situation in Vancouver and that normaly reduces his value. If you think you can get him for a top #4 RHD +++, then yes, you should absolutely take that deal if it's out there. Severson would automaticly be your best defender on the right side of that defence, is still fairly young and would bump guys like Myers and others in their proper chair.

Where does it say that? I like Severson as a 2nd pairing RHD. He struggles in tough defensive assignments and isn't the type of player that the Canucks should be targeting in a Miller trade. A Boeser trade maybe - but not Miller.

The pretty vocal about his shit situation in Vancouver comment is pure speculation by people outside the market. Is he vocal - yep, when you're winning thats called leadership, when your loosing its being vocal about his shit situation? Did you even hear or read the Miller comments? I don't think you have based on your comments.

 

[Xirik]

I don't really understand your point I guess. Not insulting an entire fan base but also vaguely insulting an entire fan base? Seems like your comments were meant to satisfy your agenda

I don't understand why you need to be toxic so I guess we are both confused.

 

[Boondock]

I don't understand why you need to be toxic so I guess we are both confused.

Toxic? Sure we'll just leave it at that.

 

[BCNate]

Seversson, McLeod, 2022 1st, Bahl

for

Miller
Poolman/Schenn
Lamikko

I have to think most Canucks fans would be good with this deal, it fills a few big needs for us. Also have to think the Devils fans may not love it.

 

[Eggtimer]

I have to think most Canucks fans would be good with this deal, it fills a few big needs for us. Also have to think the Devils fans may not love it.

It’s decent but I have no clue about Lamikko ? No need for Poolman Schenn but I’m guessing it’s for cap purposes and the Devils would need to take a somewhat bad contract from the Canucks to add incentive to make the trade . ?

 

[BCNate]

It’s decent but I have no clue about Lamikko ? No need for Poolman Schenn but I’m guessing it’s for cap purposes and the Devils would need to take a somewhat bad contract from the Canucks to add incentive to make the trade . ?

Lammikko is at best a replacement level 4th line C. Doesn't provide much, but isn't awful either.

Poolman is an OK bottom pair D, for 4 years @2.5. He has played with Hughes a bunch and has been OK, but plays higher in the lineup than he should.
Schenn has played bottom pair minutes, and has been pretty good this year. Brings some toughness, and experience. 2 year deal at $850k per. I really like him as a 6/7 D who can play 15 mins a night

I'm guessing the poster added one of them to replace Severson's spot--- I'd rather add Poolman to the deal than Schenn. Neither are bad deals given the low cap #'s.

 

[elitepete]

What would Vancouver be looking for from NJ in exchange for JT Miller?

My initial offer from NJ would be -
Janne Kuokkanen
2022 2nd round pick
Graeme Clarke
Reilly Walsh

Pretty bad even for an initial offer.

Foote, 1st (top 5 protected), 2nd for Miller 50% retained.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Pretty bad even for an initial offer.

Foote, 1st (top 5 protected), 2nd for Miller 50% retained.

Devils wouldn't be inclined to give extra to get retention as they're fine for cap space

I think Vancouver would be looking at 3 different scenarios when it comes to JT Miller trade him at full salary and take less, retain 50% and maximize their return or simply keep him

They can't expect a team with cap space to overpay for retention though. If they want to do retention then any of the real contenders would be happy to pay a huge price for him

Just to be clear though, if Vancouver offered this deal, even without retention... NJ takes it

 

[elitepete]

Devils wouldn't be inclined to give extra to get retention as they're fine for cap space

I think Vancouver would be looking at 3 different scenarios when it comes to JT Miller trade him at full salary and take less, retain 50% and maximize their return or simply keep him

They can't expect a team with cap space to overpay for retention though. If they want to do retention then any of the real contenders would be happy to pay a huge price for him

Just to be clear though, if Vancouver offered this deal, even without retention... NJ takes it

I just realized that the Foote that the Devils have is the forward, not the RHD. Don’t think I would do it. Do you have any rhd prospects that are good in their own zone.

 

[PettersonHughes]

That is definitely something I'd think about. I'd try and keep McLeod and offer one of our several left handed D-man we have in our pipeline before parting ways with our 4th line center who seems to be relied on by our coaching staff for key faceoffs.

Sorry but no dice. RH C's who are capable on faceoffs and matchup situations are precisely what we need, along with matchup RHD's like Severson (according to reports he plays both 2nd unit PP and 1st unit PK and has improved defensively), and so even if our GM decides to sell low on a slumping star (Boeser) or a guy like Miller who can contribute in a major way, those two should be the starting pieces coming back.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

I just realized that the Foote that the Devils have is the forward, not the RHD. Don’t think I would do it. Do you have any rhd prospects that are good in their own zone.

We have the left Foote, not the right Foote.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

PSA:

The reason I said "my initial offer" was because that is how trade talks generally go - you offer something lower, they come back with something higher, then you meet in middle.

I see Severson and a 1st rounder coming back as responses.

That to me means one of those assets would be a must.


How about:
Janne Kuokkanen
2022 OR 2023 1st rounder (Top 2 protected)
Subban 50% retained OR Reilly Walsh

That’s absolute garbage yet again.

If there’s no Holtz, Ty Smith or L.Hughes involved your number would be blocked.

 

[Eggtimer]

Pretty bad even for an initial offer.

Foote, 1st (top 5 protected), 2nd for Miller 50% retained.

As a Deviks fan I even say that is not enough .

 

[HellOnIce]

That’s absolute garbage yet again.

If there’s no Holtz, Ty Smith or L.Hughes involved your number would be blocked.

Van be dreaming if they think they're getting that kind of prospect for JT Miller.

 

[zcaptain]

Miller

for

McLeod, Bahl and 2022-1st

 

[Gstank]

I think Boeser would be a better fit for you guys so

Boeser

Mcleod, Walsh, 1st?

 

[Smitty426]

I think Boeser would be a better fit for you guys so

Boeser

Mcleod, Walsh, 1st?

Would a 1st in the top 2/3rds of the draft work? Follow-up, a top 5-7 protected a deal breaker?

 

[Scorvat]

Miller for Sharangovich, the guy they took with our 20 1st, and 2022 conditional 1st (depending on playoffs or not)

Probably not fair value now that I look at it, especially since yegor scored at a 50 point pace last year, but this template of the trade is something that I'm hoping for. There are alot of versions of this trade that could happen and I think Miller fits in well with their young forward group

 

[Gstank]

Would a 1st in the top 2/3rds of the draft work? Follow-up, a top 5-7 protected a deal breaker?

Personally it doesnt really matter to me if the pick is top 5-7 protected or if there are 2nd's and 3rd's instead of first but other fans will say otherwise

 

[elitepete]

As a Deviks fan I even say that is not enough .

I got mixed up about with Foote is a Devil.