Player Discussion JT Miller Thread

[sting101]

Miller was the engine of the Lotto line,

Made everyone look better last year, as without him, no one cracks 60p. Would be a historically bad offensive season.

Boeser was pretty bad, but had 23g in 71 games largely due to JT on the PP. Horvat & JT have great chem together, and Bo could have a career high.

Miller is the teams best goal scorer & best playmaker, Of course he boosts his line mates, even at times where they are playing better.

Good post

Unfortuntely much of this thread has divested into airing frustration. Nobody that watches NHL teams other than the Canucks play or has any background in the sport is gonna support some of these outlandish gripes.

Yes he's had a bad start yes his contract may become bad but people poking at JTs game using this year to date and talking in absolutes are off their rockers. He's a physical player who can control play down low in a physical game that has been a TOP15 NHL scorer on a below average hockey team. As referenced only the HOF Sedins have done better since the adoption of a salary cap and new rules. It's crazy.

Hughes 7.8 Pettersson 7.2 OEL 7.2 Boeser 6.6 Myers 6...... Miller 5.25

Unbelievable given the value of 3 million per he's just handed off over 3yrs and decided to stay with a front loaded contract so he can be bought out at a low AAV that there is so much vitriol towards JT.

WTF has that group up a paragraph done anyone broken a fingernail yet? EP40 is the only player given his contract that looks like he may add some value in the future but so far outside of this year even he's been a flop vs his deal. Hughes gets points but has a muffin for a shot and is a coke machine defensively again after making strides last year. How many times has he missed his check been outmatched down low or not been able to tie up a stick for a deflection or rebound goal...it's a lot trust me. OEL and Myers are legacy contracts for players that never did shit for this organization. At least JT can say he handed us a 9 million surplus for 3yrs that the Reign of Error pissed away.

Sorry just frustrated by who's getting attacked on this roster. Give me 4 Horvats and 4 Miller's up front and were a wrecking crew. It's sad that these guys primes are being wasted by ineptitude in this organization.

 

[Hit the post]

Good post

Unfortuntely much of this thread has divested into airing frustration. Nobody that watches NHL teams other than the Canucks play or has any background in the sport is gonna support some of these outlandish gripes.

Yes he's had a bad start yes his contract may become bad but people poking at JTs game using this year to date and talking in absolutes are off their rockers. He's a physical player who can control play down low in a physical game that has been a TOP15 NHL scorer on a below average hockey team. As referenced only the HOF Sedins have done better since the adoption of a salary cap and new rules. It's crazy.

Hughes 7.8 Pettersson 7.2 OEL 7.2 Boeser 6.6 Myers 6...... Miller 5.25

Unbelievable given the value of 3 million per he's just handed off over 3yrs and decided to stay with a front loaded contract so he can be bought out at a low AAV that there is so much vitriol towards JT.

WTF has that group up a paragraph done anyone broken a fingernail yet? EP40 is the only player given his contract that looks like he may add some value in the future but so far outside of this year even he's been a flop vs his deal. Hughes gets points but has a muffin for a shot and is a coke machine defensively again after making strides last year. How many times has he missed his check been outmatched down low or not been able to tie up a stick for a deflection or rebound goal...it's a lot trust me. OEL and Myers are legacy contracts for players that never did shit for this organization. At least JT can say he handed us a 9 million surplus for 3yrs that the Reign of Error pissed away.

Sorry just frustrated by who's getting attacked on this roster. Give me 4 Horvats and 4 Miller's up front and were a wrecking crew. It's sad that these guys primes are being wasted by ineptitude in this organization.

I will forever give Hughes a pass given the turdshow environment he has had to put up with since his draft. And I'm not just referring to the jettisoning on the one defensive partner that would've aided in his progression (Tanev).

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Bo is better at center but that doesn’t make Bo the better player.

Like I said, I have no idea what your point is.

My point was that I legit thought that person I initially quoted was talking about Miller not Bo.

 

[Canuckle1970]

Last game against Buffalo was definitely Miller's best game so far. Seemed to be laboring as if he was not in condition the first few weeks, but the speed was back this last game and he was much more effective. Stay on Bo's wing - it's working.

 

[arttk]

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My point was that I legit thought that person I initially quoted was talking about Miller not Bo.

I mean they are similar if you ignore the fact Miller out scored Bo by 40+ points last year.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

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I mean they are similar if you ignore the fact Miller out scored Bo by 40+ points last year.

Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

 

[arttk]

Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

Nope

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Nope

Well I don't know what you think you are arguing against...

But Godspeed.

 

[arttk]

Well I don't know what you think you are arguing against...

But Godspeed.

I mean you are clearly implying that Miller profiles the same as Horvat but Horvat had more value because CENTER while ignoring that Miller has been putting up way more points than Bo ever since he joined. But sure, how do you want to spin it, I am eager to find out.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I mean you are clearly implying that Miller profiles the same as Horvat but Horvat had more value because CENTER while ignoring that Miller has been putting up way more points than Bo ever since he joined. But sure, how do you want to spin it, I am eager to find out.

No I just legitimately thought he was talking about Miller.

Because Miller as a center does not make his line mates better, does not PK and does not give fuuuuck in his own zone.

That is the extent of my argument.


I am not arguing that Bo Horvat had more points then Miller last season.

 

[arttk]

No I just legitimately thought he was talking about Miller.

Because Miller as a center does not make his line mates better, does not PK and does not give fuuuuck in his own zone.

That is the extent of my argument.


I am not arguing that Bo Horvat had more points then Miller last season.

Miller put up 99 points playing center last year. He put up 67 assists, if assists is not a very concrete measure of making linemates better I am not sure what is. You don’t fluke into 67 assists.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Miller put up 99 points playing center last year. He put up 67 assists, if assists is not a very concrete measure of making linemates better I am not sure what is. You don’t fluke into 67 assists.

Who were the line mates he made better 5 on 5?

 

[krutovsdonut]

Good post

Unfortuntely much of this thread has divested into airing frustration. Nobody that watches NHL teams other than the Canucks play or has any background in the sport is gonna support some of these outlandish gripes.

Yes he's had a bad start yes his contract may become bad but people poking at JTs game using this year to date and talking in absolutes are off their rockers. He's a physical player who can control play down low in a physical game that has been a TOP15 NHL scorer on a below average hockey team. As referenced only the HOF Sedins have done better since the adoption of a salary cap and new rules. It's crazy.

Hughes 7.8 Pettersson 7.2 OEL 7.2 Boeser 6.6 Myers 6...... Miller 5.25

Unbelievable given the value of 3 million per he's just handed off over 3yrs and decided to stay with a front loaded contract so he can be bought out at a low AAV that there is so much vitriol towards JT.

WTF has that group up a paragraph done anyone broken a fingernail yet? EP40 is the only player given his contract that looks like he may add some value in the future but so far outside of this year even he's been a flop vs his deal. Hughes gets points but has a muffin for a shot and is a coke machine defensively again after making strides last year. How many times has he missed his check been outmatched down low or not been able to tie up a stick for a deflection or rebound goal...it's a lot trust me. OEL and Myers are legacy contracts for players that never did shit for this organization. At least JT can say he handed us a 9 million surplus for 3yrs that the Reign of Error pissed away.

Sorry just frustrated by who's getting attacked on this roster. Give me 4 Horvats and 4 Miller's up front and were a wrecking crew. It's sad that these guys primes are being wasted by ineptitude in this organization.

i like your passion. i am guilty of dumping on miller as well. he was superb for us last year.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

A lot of people had to bite their tongues all of last season, and were a little too quick to jump on the blame Miller train early this season. He had a rough go, for about a dozen games, where his legs were just not in game shape, and he made some bozo plays. That's it.

Yea I would prefer he was up to speed to start the year, but he's in his later 20's, and just had a newborn, something that usually effects players starts/training.

He's been $$$$ since that Habs game, and still has more gears to go. He's also been hitting to hurt, absolutely buckling defenders on the forecheck.

 

[AD16]

Been much better since the move to wing. He has his warts with the carelessness and defensive lapses but he is absolutely vital to our offense. His passing has been lethal this year and definitely a major reason why Bo continues to score at the rate he has. He’s certainly our most effective player on the PP and everything flows through him with the man advantage. He should be flirting with 90-95ish points again this year if he can stay healthy.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Been much better since the move to wing. He has his warts with the carelessness and defensive lapses but he is absolutely vital to our offense. His passing has been lethal this year and definitely a major reason why Bo continues to score at the rate he has. He’s certainly our most effective player on the PP and everything flows through him with the man advantage. He should be flirting with 90-95ish points again this year if he can stay healthy.

Our PP would be fine with another playmaker at his position.

He is basically a Phil Kessel of Pens glory.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Miller was the engine of the Lotto line,

Made everyone look better last year, as without him, no one cracks 60p. Would be a historically bad offensive season.

Boeser was pretty bad, but had 23g in 71 games largely due to JT on the PP. Horvat & JT have great chem together, and Bo could have a career high.

Miller is the teams best goal scorer & best playmaker, Of course he boosts his line mates, even at times where they are playing better.

People didnt understand back then that it was EP driving that line.

And you still dont understand it, despite what you are watching.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

People didnt understand back then that it was EP driving that line.

And you still dont understand it, despite what you are watching.

The OG lotto line was certainly JT's line, first and foremost. He was the draw, the forecheck and heart of the cycle. Probably our MVP that year, excluding goalies.

EP is running his own show now, while he's still lanky, his puck protection and skating is miles better. Something that him and BB leaned heavily on JT for in 19-20.

 

[docbenton]

People didnt understand back then that it was EP driving that line.

And you still dont understand it, despite what you are watching.

Never, that's just complete BS. JT was the engine from day one. He carried the puck up ice, retrieves it on the forecheck and made all the key plays. If he had better linemates than Petey and Brock last year he's challenging for the Art Ross, straight up one of the best players in the league that year.

Pettersson is so overrated on these boards. Even this year, yes he's played very well defensively, and he's produced much better. He's even winning more faceoffs. He's hardly dominating games like the top players in this league. He doesn't impose his will on anybody. JT did that all of last year and is starting to do that this year.

On the PP, there's a reason he's the primary playmaker, he's decisive and effective in that role instead of hesitating all the time to make a play. Without JT does Bo even have 10 goals?

 

[mriswith]

Pettersson absolutely carried the lotto line in his 2nd year. He was getting the McDavid treatment with multiple guys collapsing on him every time he touched the puck and Miller was the biggest benefactor because Pettersson still managed to make plays under pressure, and because the other teams entire game plan was collapse on EP it meant that Miller had an enormous amount of space and time to work with because of what Pettersson was drawing.

People who thought Miller was carrying that line that year were just looking at who got to use all of the open ice and who scored the goals. The heavy lifting was mostly Pettersson. There's a reason it was Pettersson getting Hart chatter that season and not Miller, and there's a reason the analytical models worshipped Pettersson that season and not Miller.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Never, that's just complete BS. JT was the engine from day one. He carried the puck up ice, retrieves it on the forecheck and made all the key plays. If he had better linemates than Petey and Brock last year he's challenging for the Art Ross, straight up one of the best players in the league that year.

Yeah. He was good last year and Pete struggled. And people here wanted to trade Pete Jeesus f***in christ.

Pettersson is so overrated on these boards. Even this year, yes he's played very well defensively, and he's produced much better. He's even winning more faceoffs. He's hardly dominating games like the top players in this league. He doesn't impose his will on anybody. JT did that all of last year and is starting to do that this year.

He is not. He is just underrated by people who dont understand what they are seeing.

These people should stop "eye testing" and start to use some statistical metrics to help them understand what is going on. Not everyone can have the "eye" needed for "eye test."

On the PP, there's a reason he's the primary playmaker, he's decisive and effective in that role instead of hesitating all the time to make a play. Without JT does Bo even have 10 goals?

With out Bo does JT have 5 assists?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

The OG lotto line was certainly JT's line, first and foremost. He was the draw, the forecheck and heart of the cycle. Probably our MVP that year, excluding goalies.

EP is running his own show now, while he's still lanky, his puck protection and skating is miles better. Something that him and BB leaned heavily on JT for in 19-20.

EP and Brock covered for JTs lack of give-a-f*** in his own zone to the point where they were the best line in hockey.

EP struggled in every way last year for ~30 games but it was still Brock and Pearson covering for JTs lack of caring.

This year Brock's D game fell off the map and we see what JT really is when he does not have the support structure on his line to do the stuff he does not want to do.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

EP and Brock covered for JTs lack of give-a-f*** in his own zone to the point where they were the best line in hockey.

EP struggled in every way last year for ~30 games but it was still Brock and Pearson covering for JTs lack of caring.

This year Brock's D game fell off the map and we see what JT really is when he does not have the support structure on his line to do the stuff he does not want to do.

Naw dude, you're taking a small number of games and stretching it over 3+ seasons, 2 of which JT was clear cut the teams best player, at pretty much everything. Tainted revisionist history ain't gonna change the teams draft pick nor cap space situation.

EP's half season of suckage doesn't make his rookie season any less great, nor does his Canadian div year depression make his playoff run a fluke. It don't be like that.

 

[lawrence]

can we still trade this guy? kinda sucks we locked him for 8 years. I might be happier losing him for nothing (walk into the UFA) and save that 8 million dollar in cap room for later use.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

can we still trade this guy? kinda sucks we locked him for 8 years. I might be happier losing him for nothing (walk into the UFA) and save that 8 million dollar in cap room for later use.

He should have trade value still.

But the extension looks soooooo bad right now. How could they read this team so wrong...