Player Discussion Joshua Roy

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They are just very different players. None of what Lekhonen does will make Roy successful, and the opposite is true.

Tyler Toffoli never stood out either, yet he scored goals at a fantastic rate.
Sure, but being slow and passive and not standing out does not make a guy Tyler Toffoli, feels like a bit of a jump. I’m not giving up on Roy.
 

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I said before, and I will say it again... Roy is at best a 3rd liner, nothing more.
He’s not a traditional 3rd line type player. If it’s an offensive minded 3rd line… sure. But he’s a skilled player with high IQ, not a grinder.

If say we had Laine/Demidov eating up top six minutes and he got bumped to the 3rd with Newhook/Beck then sure. But it wouldn’t be your typical 3rd line. That would be a terrific 3rd line to have and a real sign that we have a lot of offensive depth.
 
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Anyone think that all of the gooning caused players to be more tentative to avoid injury? Not just Roy but several players that thought they were shoe ins? I don’t believe this really but it’s just a thought
 

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Too much floating in preseason. He bounced back from a setback in the Q, maybe they're banking on this being a wake up call.
Some posters mention how he always seems to be good, and then goes disinterested and then comes back and so on.............pretty sure that's part of why he went in the 5th round.....

Not everyone learns to be a pro right off the bat, there can be a process. You can see some offensive flair and talent, but there needs to be a lot more to his game..................he simply got outplayed by others and MSL had better choices.
 

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... He's a bottom-2 forward. Which is perfectly fine since he knows it.

I think Pezzetta is at that point where he is touching his prime and can play anywhere in the bottom 6. I'm not the type to label players in a very small range (bottom 2 forward). He's a very solid hockey player IMO

Roy will not be a sure shot top 6F at age 21. Probably best he goes to the AHL and matures his game a bit more.
 
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I think Pezzetta is at that point where he is touching his prime and can play anywhere in the bottom 6. I'm not the type to label players in a very small range (bottom 2 forward). He's a very solid hockey player IMO

Roy will not be a sure shot top 6F at age 21. Probably best he goes to the AHL and matures his game a bit more.
Pezzetta and ABB are perfect bottom 6 who can be on the press galery, then play 4 minutes a game or play 12 minutes a game. It doesn't matter, it have nothing to do with their developpment. Roy, Heineman and Kapanen need to play. They can't warm bench too long. In a way, Roy in Laval can developp more than Heineman with limited ice time in Montreal.

At the end it's the law of the jungle: those who outperfrom others take the spot. But there are ups and downs, Roy have been down at that time. He might be high on another moment, we'll see.
 
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Anyone think that all of the gooning caused players to be more tentative to avoid injury? Not just Roy but several players that thought they were shoe ins? I don’t believe this really but it’s just a thought
It was a strange preseason. It might’ve factored into team play. The whole club sucked in preseason.
 

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Some posters mention how he always seems to be good, and then goes disinterested and then comes back and so on.............pretty sure that's part of why he went in the 5th round.....

Not everyone learns to be a pro right off the bat, there can be a process. You can see some offensive flair and talent, but there needs to be a lot more to his game..................he simply got outplayed by others and MSL had better choices.
I’m not sure that MSL had better choices. It may have just been a message that his camp wasn’t good enough. It’s a good message to send if you want to keep a young player sharp. He’s part of their long term plans and this is part of the learning curve.
 
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It was a strange preseason. It might’ve factored into team play. The whole club sucked in preseason.
The injury to Laine changed everything. The game plan, the hockey level was replaced by the fight code and it seems on a strict hockey level it disturbed the game itself. What is depressing is the PP still sucks and the PK too. It's not done for the season but let's say it doesn't look good.

On that matter, Roy being sendt down is secondary. He's better in Laval, in the big sheme, time will do good, for a lot of prospects and players.

On a side note, not many people talk about Newhook poor play in pre season.
 
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Can't help but laugh at the Roy fan club saying he's a lock, on the 2nd line. That really demonstrates the lack of hockey acumen. Even funnier now that Roy was cut for being unimpressive at camp is the defending him that he should have had good players to so how impressive he is. Here's a hockey lesson, if you want to make a team, be impressive on your own than relying on others, those good players will make others impressive too.
 

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Can't help but laugh at the Roy fan club saying he's a lock, on the 2nd line. That really demonstrates the lack of hockey acumen. Even funnier now that Roy was cut for being unimpressive at camp is the defending him that he should have had good players to so how impressive he is. Here's a hockey lesson, if you want to make a team, be impressive on your own than relying on others, those good players will make others impressive too.
Nobody said a lock on the 2nd, some might say he would fit or think, or suggest his name or what they see his progression might become, etc. They had in mind his good games and were expecting Roy could progress even more. It's like the half empty glass of water or half full. Those who like him see half full, those who, etc. The other options on 2nd line are not that great either, nhl teams are not Utica Comets, lol.

Not a lock but a future one.
 

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I’m not sure that MSL had better choices. It may have just been a message that his camp wasn’t good enough. It’s a good message to send if you want to keep a young player sharp. He’s part of their long term plans and this is part of the learning curve.
Better choices, should have said better choices as in players who earned it...........played with more effort maybe.
I do think he is part of the plan, somewhat, but I don't see him in the top 6 of this team as it moves forward. Would love to be wrong.
Someone quoted that they thought of him as a less talented Drouin, and at this point, that is bang on. So we will see how he reacts to some adversity.

He was godawful at both side of the ice.
Vets were all awful................playing not to get hurt, once the Laine, and Reinbacher injuries happened.
 

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Better choices, should have said better choices as in players who earned it...........played with more effort maybe.
I do think he is part of the plan, somewhat, but I don't see him in the top 6 of this team as it moves forward. Would love to be wrong.
Someone quoted that they thought of him as a less talented Drouin, and at this point, that is bang on. So we will see how he reacts to some adversity.
Completely different player than Drouin. Drouin relied on speed and didn’t have a great IQ. They are opposites in this regard.

Bottom line is he needs skilled partners to be effective. If it’s a skilled third line… great. But if you’re not building that then it’s top six or bust.
 

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Nobody said a lock on the 2nd, some might say he would fit or think, or suggest his name or what they see his progression might become, etc. They had in mind his good games and were expecting Roy could progress even more. It's like the half empty glass of water or half full. Those who like him see half full, those who, etc. The other options on 2nd line are not that great either, nhl teams are not Utica Comets, lol.

Not a lock but a future one
Many sure did say he was a lock and you know it. Many expected or wanted him to be on the 2nd line. Even read that some were suggesting that he could win the Calder. ROFL
 

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Vets were all awful................playing not to get hurt, once the Laine, and Reinbacher injuries happened.
Going by how he played, Newhook didn't look like a guy not trying to get hurt actually. Very poor decision making all around despite the level of efforts.
 

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Sure, but being slow and passive and not standing out does not make a guy Tyler Toffoli, feels like a bit of a jump. I’m not giving up on Roy.
Basically, if he scores two goals nobody talks about him. His play was sound, except for the last game. Perspective is a hell of a thing.

If he had 82 games of hockey in the NHL nobody would bat an eye either.
 
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Can't help but laugh at the Roy fan club saying he's a lock, on the 2nd line. That really demonstrates the lack of hockey acumen. Even funnier now that Roy was cut for being unimpressive at camp is the defending him that he should have had good players to so how impressive he is. Here's a hockey lesson, if you want to make a team, be impressive on your own than relying on others, those good players will make others impressive too.
Coaches are quick to identify elite hunger …
 

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I mean this is the fanbase that was penciling 50 for cole , way she goes around here in the offseason
Cole had something like 48 goals in his first 80 games under MSL. That poster's prediction wasn't exactly based on no track record.
 

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